Posted: 10/9/2012 4:33:39 PM EDT
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Haven't owned a glock in 10 years or so. Heard issues with gen 4 and doing some search on the forum, I couldn't find anything within the last 30 days...
If you had a brand new g19 in G3 or G4, for the same price, which do you buy and why? |
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If you like the Gen3 grip, then go with it. I prefer the Gen4 grip profile and texture.
The Gen4 9mms should have the updated ejector assembly by now, so you should be good to go. My Gen4 G19 (purchased in February 2011) has been plagued by stovepipes and brass to the face. My Gen4 G35 I bought last month has been flawless. |
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Gen4s are always more.
Go for a Gen4 - Better grip, interchangable backstraps, better recoil system and extended mag release. If you are a lefty, you can reverse the side the mag release to be on the other side of the gun. The Gen 4s come with 3 mags, I think the Gen 3s may only come with 2 but I am not sure on that. If you join GSSF and sign up for two years intially(I think it costs like $60), you can buy a a g19 gen 4 at law enforcement prices ($425) . Every year you renew after that (I think it is like $25), you get to buy another at LE prices. |
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Gen4s are always more. Go for a Gen4 - Better grip, interchangable backstraps, better recoil system and extended mag release. If you are a lefty, you can reverse the side the mag release to be on the other side of the gun. The Gen 4s come with 3 mags, I think the Gen 3s may only come with 2 but I am not sure on that. If you join GSSF and sign up for two years intially(I think it costs like $60), you can buy a a g19 gen 4 at law enforcement prices ($425) . Every year you renew after that (I think it is like $25), you get to buy another at LE prices. A buddy of mine said something about that to me. I was going to do that but couldnt figure out if any of the shops near me were participating dealers |
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Gen4s are always more. Go for a Gen4 - Better grip, interchangable backstraps, better recoil system and extended mag release. If you are a lefty, you can reverse the side the mag release to be on the other side of the gun. The Gen 4s come with 3 mags, I think the Gen 3s may only come with 2 but I am not sure on that. If you join GSSF and sign up for two years intially(I think it costs like $60), you can buy a a g19 gen 4 at law enforcement prices ($425) . Every year you renew after that (I think it is like $25), you get to buy another at LE prices. A buddy of mine said something about that to me. I was going to do that but couldnt figure out if any of the shops near me were participating dealers It is any dealer that does law enforcement sales. If you go this link Glock Dealer Locator and put in your zip code in the upper right corner of the screen and then select the law enforcement tab on the next screen, it will show you dealers close to you. I have found that you can trust the dealers this link shows you but in my case Glock only shows 3 dealers for the State of Ohio but I know for an absolute fact that there are at least 4 in Ohio. I was at a gunshow a couple weekends ago and found a dealer really close to me that does the law enforcement sales and it was not listed on the Glock web-site. I even called Glock and they didn't list the dealer (Great Lakes GunWorx). I double checked with Great Lakes GunWorx and they absolutely do the GSSF program. I was happy to hear about these guys because the closest dealer listed on the Glock web-site was two hours from me. |
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Gen4s are always more. Go for a Gen4 - better recoil system How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? You do know that 9mm GEN4 recoil assys suffered -many- factory modifications since they were first released? This does not makes them worse, I just can't see how they're 'better'. The rest of what you said, makes perfect sense, if all those features suit you, the recoil assembly part, in my opinion, does not. HTR. |
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How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? If nothing else, according to the (Glock-employed) instructor at my last armorers course (this last summer), the Gen4 recoil spring assemblies have significantly longer service lives compared to the original style. According to him the Gen4 RSAs in .40 & .357 have a service life of about 5,000 to 6,000 rounds (versus about 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for the old style). The Gen4 RSA in 9mm has a service life of about 10,000 to 12,000 rounds (versus about 4,000 to 6,000 rounds for the old style). Of course, the Gen4 RSAs cost about twice that of the original RSAs, so.... |
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There is one dealer in my area that does the GSSF discount and they said they haven't been able to get a "blue box" gun in for years, that they are hard to get.  You need to find a different dealer. I told my local dealer what I wanted on a Thursday and he had it by the next Monday. A buddy of mine went thru a different dealer and he got his GSSF gun pretty quick too. |
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How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? If nothing else, according to the (Glock-employed) instructor at my last armorers course (this last summer), the Gen4 recoil spring assemblies have significantly longer service lives compared to the original style. According to him the Gen4 RSAs in .40 & .357 have a service life of about 5,000 to 6,000 rounds (versus about 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for the old style). The Gen4 RSA in 9mm has a service life of about 10,000 to 12,000 rounds (versus about 4,000 to 6,000 rounds for the old style). Of course, the Gen4 RSAs cost about twice that of the original RSAs, so.... That may be the case, but breakage reports are also significantly higher for the dual spring assemblies, so, I don't see how one is better than another. Diferent animals yes, better, I don't think so. HTR. |
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Seriously, find a Glock LE dealer, and sign up for the GSSF program.
I recently did this, signed up for the 2 year, and it took about a week to get my discount coupon in the mail. I went to Vance's Outdoors, and they pulled out a blue label Glock 19 Gen4 for me. It's such a great deal, $425. |
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How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? If nothing else, according to the (Glock-employed) instructor at my last armorers course (this last summer), the Gen4 recoil spring assemblies have significantly longer service lives compared to the original style. According to him the Gen4 RSAs in .40 & .357 have a service life of about 5,000 to 6,000 rounds (versus about 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for the old style). The Gen4 RSA in 9mm has a service life of about 10,000 to 12,000 rounds (versus about 4,000 to 6,000 rounds for the old style). Of course, the Gen4 RSAs cost about twice that of the original RSAs, so.... That may be the case, but breakage reports are also significantly higher for the dual spring assemblies, so, I don't see how one is better than another. Diferent animals yes, better, I don't think so. HTR. Ehhhh, I'm not so sure about that. I'm not seeing many such reports at all. How many broken Gen4 RSAs have you seen? I can tell you that I managed to snap the base of a Gen3-and-earlier-style RSA in my Gen2 Glock 23 by accidentally not putting it into its notch. I didn't even have to force it. |
| Personally, I am a Gen. 2 G19 man myself. That being said though, the rest of my Glocks (21, 23 and 27) are Gen. 3 except for the G27 that is listed as a Gen 2.5 but for all intents and purposes, I consider it a Gen. 3. I voted "other" mainly because Gen. 2 wasn't listed however I understand that getting one NIB is probably not going to happen. If this is the case, I would try to look for an older Gen. 3 instead. I've heard of lots of problems with Gen. 4 glocks starting to chuck brass at the shooter at around 1,000 rounds so I'm not too trusting of those models but if it works for you and you get a good one, more power to you. Actually, I've been looking for a G17 to add to the Glock collection and the same Gen. 2 or early Gen. 3 variants are what I am looking for becuase of the decline in the quality I have seen with more recent model Glocks. :( |
| I have one of each. I had the ejection problems with the 4 that went away when I changed out the trigger bar. Something I have done on all my Glocks that came with the serated trigger. I CCW with the 4 every day now. I like the grip better and I am hitting the target better with it than my gen 3 19. |
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How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? If nothing else, according to the (Glock-employed) instructor at my last armorers course (this last summer), the Gen4 recoil spring assemblies have significantly longer service lives compared to the original style. According to him the Gen4 RSAs in .40 & .357 have a service life of about 5,000 to 6,000 rounds (versus about 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for the old style). The Gen4 RSA in 9mm has a service life of about 10,000 to 12,000 rounds (versus about 4,000 to 6,000 rounds for the old style). Of course, the Gen4 RSAs cost about twice that of the original RSAs, so.... That may be the case, but breakage reports are also significantly higher for the dual spring assemblies, so, I don't see how one is better than another. Diferent animals yes, better, I don't think so. HTR. Ehhhh, I'm not so sure about that. I'm not seeing many such reports at all. How many broken Gen4 RSAs have you seen? . Just two gen 4 broken recoil assemblies, but many dual spring ones. They all break the same way. HTR. |
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The smaller G4 grip feels much better in my hands. With that said I'd still prefer a G3 for reliability and parts availability. Anyone know how easy it would be to modify a gen 3 grip to feel like the g4 in terms of grip thickness ? Current production gen 3's have the same reliability issues that the gen 4's are having. It's not a gen 4 problem. |
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The smaller G4 grip feels much better in my hands. With that said I'd still prefer a G3 for reliability and parts availability. Anyone know how easy it would be to modify a gen 3 grip to feel like the g4 in terms of grip thickness ? Current production gen 3's have the same reliability issues that the gen 4's are having. It's not a gen 4 problem. The older serial # gen 3's aren't exhibiting the issues though. Already have a Gen 3 glock 19 |
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I have: Gen3, Gen3 w/RTF2, and Gen4 versions. My first Glock was the G19 Gen3 with the RTF2 frame. Really loved the grip. Some complain because the grip is to rough on their hand, not me, I really like it. My next purchase was the G21 Gen4, totally love it. I think Glock nailed it with this texture. Then I picked up a G36 which is not available in Gen4. This grip is a little slippery for me, especially if I am sweating (or have blood on my hands, jk). All my other Glocks are Gen4, so I voted Gen4. As for the reliability issues, I have had ZERO with any of my Glocks, so I am heavily favored towards the Gen4 models.
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Gen 4 > Gen 3 all day long (at least in 9mm, the caliber glocks were designed around)
Smaller grip is more comfortable. Adjustable back straps. No ugly half moon cutout in the front of the grip. Superior grip texturing. Better mag release button. I have had no problems with ejection or malfunctions. |
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The smaller G4 grip feels much better in my hands. With that said I'd still prefer a G3 for reliability and parts availability. Anyone know how easy it would be to modify a gen 3 grip to feel like the g4 in terms of grip thickness ? Current production gen 3's have the same reliability issues that the gen 4's are having. It's not a gen 4 problem. I just got one a few days ago Gen 3 17 and i had ejection problems out of the box. To OP, i'd get a gen 4 it seams glock doesn't think Gen3s have any problem. |
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How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? If nothing else, according to the (Glock-employed) instructor at my last armorers course (this last summer), the Gen4 recoil spring assemblies have significantly longer service lives compared to the original style. According to him the Gen4 RSAs in .40 & .357 have a service life of about 5,000 to 6,000 rounds (versus about 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for the old style). The Gen4 RSA in 9mm has a service life of about 10,000 to 12,000 rounds (versus about 4,000 to 6,000 rounds for the old style). Of course, the Gen4 RSAs cost about twice that of the original RSAs, so.... That may be the case, but breakage reports are also significantly higher for the dual spring assemblies, so, I don't see how one is better than another. Diferent animals yes, better, I don't think so. HTR. Your referencing old information with the updated RSA and ejectors the Gen 4 pistols are far superior to the Gen 3. Please post recent "creditable" information showing failure due to significant breakage of dual spring assemblies. I'll save us time this is simply not true. |
| If I were in the market for another glock, the caliber would determine the generation. Third gen for 9mm, fourth gen for .40 caliber. Since you want a G19, I would go with the gen 3. However people seem to be having better luck with the gen 4 so it wouldnt be a horrible decision to go that route. |
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get a Gen 4 23 with the Glock Night sights and a 9mm Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel.
I have one with about 20 rounds through the original 40 S&W barrel and about 100rds through the stainless steel 9mm barrel I will sell soon with the factory Glock night sight. I was going to carry it, but lost interest, I can't figure out a fair price yet though. I want a Glock G35 Gen 4 and this sale hopefully will finance at least part of it. Chuck |
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How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? If nothing else, according to the (Glock-employed) instructor at my last armorers course (this last summer), the Gen4 recoil spring assemblies have significantly longer service lives compared to the original style. According to him the Gen4 RSAs in .40 & .357 have a service life of about 5,000 to 6,000 rounds (versus about 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for the old style). The Gen4 RSA in 9mm has a service life of about 10,000 to 12,000 rounds (versus about 4,000 to 6,000 rounds for the old style). Of course, the Gen4 RSAs cost about twice that of the original RSAs, so.... That may be the case, but breakage reports are also significantly higher for the dual spring assemblies, so, I don't see how one is better than another. Diferent animals yes, better, I don't think so. HTR. Your referencing old information with the updated RSA and ejectors the Gen 4 pistols are far superior to the Gen 3. Please post recent "creditable" information showing failure due to significant breakage of dual spring assemblies. I'll save us time this is simply not true. You are mixing issues up here. One thing is the ejection problems early GEN4s and some GEN3s experienced. Another separate and different issue is dual springs snapping out of their housings. Dual spring pic 
No need to clarify that that sping could have been a GEN3 dual spring. It probably was. Not point here. I'm talking about problems DUAL SPRINGS may have rather than different problems different GENs may have. HTR. |
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How's the dual spring recoil assembly better than the flat spring recoil assy? If nothing else, according to the (Glock-employed) instructor at my last armorers course (this last summer), the Gen4 recoil spring assemblies have significantly longer service lives compared to the original style. According to him the Gen4 RSAs in .40 & .357 have a service life of about 5,000 to 6,000 rounds (versus about 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for the old style). The Gen4 RSA in 9mm has a service life of about 10,000 to 12,000 rounds (versus about 4,000 to 6,000 rounds for the old style). Of course, the Gen4 RSAs cost about twice that of the original RSAs, so.... That may be the case, but breakage reports are also significantly higher for the dual spring assemblies, so, I don't see how one is better than another. Diferent animals yes, better, I don't think so. HTR. Your referencing old information with the updated RSA and ejectors the Gen 4 pistols are far superior to the Gen 3. Please post recent "creditable" information showing failure due to significant breakage of dual spring assemblies. I'll save us time this is simply not true. You are mixing issues up here. One thing is the ejection problems early GEN4s and some GEN3s experienced. Another separate and different issue is dual springs snapping out of their housings. Dual spring pic http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8616/t9jg9t.jpg No need to clarify that that sping could have been a GEN3 dual spring. It probably was. Not point here. I'm talking about problems DUAL SPRINGS may have rather than different problems different GENs may have. HTR. I've shot the hell out of all my Gen 4 Glocks without issue. First I've heard of the dual spring having issues. As a side note I've also never had any issues with the RSA or ejector even though mine qualified for an updated one. Now I have a spare 
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