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4/9/2012 12:46:18 PM EDT
Is there such a thing? Im asking from the learning point of view as opposed to just blowing rounds downrange for fun.  I went to the range today and it seemed that after shooting and loading about 300rds, I wasnt improving anymore and it felt like I was just shooting....  I was still combat effective but not pinpoint accurate anymore.  Has any of yall felt this?
4/9/2012 12:51:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Try doing USPSA in 90 degree weather and 80% humidity, the answer is yes.

Quoted:
Is there such a thing? Im asking from the learning point of view as opposed to just blowing rounds downrange for fun.  I went to the range today and it seemed that after shooting and loading about 300rds, I wasnt improving anymore and it felt like I was just shooting....  I was still combat effective but not pinpoint accurate anymore.  Has any of yall felt this?


4/9/2012 12:56:52 PM EDT
[#2]
Thought so, and that was me just working fundamentals with no movement at all.  My brain went on autopilot...
4/9/2012 1:16:49 PM EDT
[#3]
I personally find that shooting less rounds and spending more time on drills makes for a much better learning experience than shooting more rounds in and of itself. I also find that shooting with an instructor or seasoned shooter improves my shooting every time.
4/9/2012 3:44:21 PM EDT
[#4]
It doesn't take 300 rounds either. Shooting Police combat, 150 rounds individual and another 60 in Team, would do it in high temps
and high humidity. Lying prone at the fifty in two inches of water, and wiping rain off your glasses was not fun either.
4/9/2012 5:11:49 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Is there such a thing? Im asking from the learning point of view as opposed to just blowing rounds downrange for fun.  I went to the range today and it seemed that after shooting and loading about 300rds, I wasnt improving anymore and it felt like I was just shooting....  I was still combat effective but not pinpoint accurate anymore.  Has any of yall felt this?


I never improve much at the range and I rarely shoot 300 rounds. Usually closer to 150 at the most.

I find I improve more, especially with Glocks, dry firing at home.  The trigger takes some time to get used to for me.

4/9/2012 7:36:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Yep.  When it gets to that point it is merely ballistic masturbation. Time to go home clean up and get in some more dry practice.
4/9/2012 8:45:29 PM EDT
[#7]
The backside of the learning curve is a bad place to be. I have been there in shooting courses and in my professional career as a pilot. Best thing you do is stop, go home, and maybe come back and try it again tomorrow.
4/10/2012 2:38:34 AM EDT
[#8]
Like others have said, my most productive range sessions are around 100-150 rounds.
4/10/2012 5:08:58 AM EDT
[#9]
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Like others have said, my most productive range sessions are around 100-150 rounds.

This ^

After that point I'm just wasting ammo.
4/10/2012 5:11:38 PM EDT
[#10]
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Like others have said, my most productive range sessions are around 100-150 rounds.


Ditto.  I usually take a 22LR AR or 10/22 to plink with between drills/mags to break things up (plus its fun as Hell).
4/10/2012 6:23:16 PM EDT
[#11]
practice does not make perfect
perfect practice makes perfect.  Every round needs to count.  m2c
4/10/2012 8:19:11 PM EDT
[#12]
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Quoted:
Like others have said, my most productive range sessions are around 100-150 rounds.

This ^

After that point I'm just wasting ammo.


Yep.
4/11/2012 1:44:03 AM EDT
[#13]
This is why in any class that has decent instructors, you don't just shoot 1000 rounds all at once.  You talk about what you're going to do, shoot a little bit, and then stop and discuss and readjust.  Then move on to a different drill.  Even with breaks for instruction between shooting and not staying on the same thing for long, you'll notice groups opening up and efficiency plummet by the end of an 8 hour day.  

If you are intent on hitting your target and running the gun fast, shooting can be taxing physically and mentally.  All of my range sessions are limited to under 200 rounds, and I try to work on several things with that much ammo.
4/11/2012 5:03:30 AM EDT
[#14]
I messed up by not taking a different platform to shoot between drills and it definitely did not help that I also took my 1911 and shot it at the same time, it seemed like I was doing goodand tgen shooting the 1911 would bring me back a few notches an the G17.  Well, Im taking notes as I go and putting it all on my "toolbelt" and hopefully learning from my mistakes.  I dont want to achieve bullseye accuracy every time, Im just looking to be consistent always.  Thanks for the input guys, very smart and knowledgeable Arfcomers make great constructive critics.  Hooah!
4/11/2012 5:48:17 PM EDT
[#15]
About the only time I go over 200 is developing loads or out with the guys shooting paper.
Most of the time 100 rounds.

Slow down relax and rest between drills.  Big league pitchers don't even throw 9 innings with out a break.
4/11/2012 6:22:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Hells to the naw! You need to man up, sissy boy!

Yeah, it's natural. You've got a tiny explosion going off in your hand with each pull of the trigger! It's going to put stress on your muscles eventually.

It's best to stop when you are fatigued. You're just wasting ammo at that point. You can practice weak hand when your dominant hand gets tired. Hell, take a break and walk around is what I do. I look at what other guns people are shooting and how well they're shooting.

Fatigue just means it's time to take a little break is all.
4/11/2012 6:34:47 PM EDT
[#17]
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4/12/2012 1:36:53 AM EDT
[#18]
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You can practice weak hand when your dominant hand gets tired.


Yep, it's a perfect time to practice weak hand shooting.
4/12/2012 7:36:16 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
practice does not make perfect
perfect practice makes perfect.  Every round needs to count.  m2c


this

and, anything, long enough will fatigue you