Posted: 3/20/2012 6:54:54 PM EDT
| I am looking for a glock 19 but none of the shops by me have one what are your thoughts on a glock 19c? |
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I'm no glock guy, but I think a G19c is a solution looking for a problem. It is my opinion that a 9mm is not a hard to control round. If you've fired a 19 and a 19c and liked the 19c? Get one!
But I don't think it will really get you anything. The only changes I'd make to a glock 19 if I didn't want to leave it stock? (And again this is my personal preference) - Travis haley's skimmer trigger - vickers mag release - 10-8 sights - stipple the grip - NiB coating, maybe, for the lulz 
- Consider a wilson combat barrel. necessary? no, but iirc some pistol instructors were putting them in guns showing that they were more accurate is all of that necessary? not really, but personally if I was going to get a G19 I'd probably do that. |
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I'm no glock guy, but I think a G19c is a solution looking for a problem. It is my opinion that a 9mm is not a hard to control round. If you've fired a 19 and a 19c and liked the 19c? Get one! But I don't think it will really get you anything. The only changes I'd make to a glock 19 if I didn't want to leave it stock? (And again this is my personal preference) - Travis haley's skimmer trigger - maybe - vickers mag release - maybe - 10-8 sights - yes, anything but the stock sights - stipple the grip - meh - NiB coating, maybe, for the lulz - no
- Consider a wilson combat barrel. necessary? no, but iirc some pistol instructors were putting them in guns showing that they were more accurate  
is all of that necessary? not really, but personally if I was going to get a G19 I'd probably do that. 
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I'd have no problem with a 19C for a fun gun, but for a carry gun,no.
Anyone see a potential carry issue with this? 
I personally don't care for big fireballs in my sight picture under low light conditions or for hot gases close to me when shooting from retention close to my body. YMMV, but not for me. |
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Yea, I see a problem with that picture... it's complete inaccurate. Had a 31C. Good gun, sold it due to ammo. Yeah, it shoots a big flame out the front??? The non-C's don't have that big hole in the front for the flame to come out... 
I suppose Glock's ad did more harm than good there. |
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I'd have no problem with a 19C for a fun gun, but for a carry gun,no. Anyone see a potential carry issue with this? http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/dvlray6/firearms/CompensatedHandgunFlash.jpg I personally don't care for big fireballs in my sight picture under low light conditions or for hot gases close to me when shooting from retention close to my body. YMMV, but not for me. Please don't keep rehashing this internet garbage. |
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I dont have a C model. that being said I used to be an opponent of them.
But............... a few years ago I took the pepsi challenge and used a C model in training. We were doing timed and accuracy drills. I had to say over the 2 months I carried and used the C model. I did see an increase in the accuracy and decrease in Time. Was it so huge? No but I did see an improvement. All that being said I never bought one since my gun was already out fitted with a threaded barrel for my can. So do they have a purpopse, yeah is it worth it? that is up to you. |
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Carried a 22C for the last 10 years on duty. Never noticed a problem with the flash/powder that some say they have but the damn things are LOUD. A C model shot next to a non C model is noticably louder and shoot one without hearing protection and your ears will ring like you fired a 5.56mm.
Recovery time between shots is quicker for sure,at least with the .40. Never fired a 9mm C model so I can't say if it's as true or noticable for the 9mm versions. |
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I'd have no problem with a 19C for a fun gun, but for a carry gun,no. Anyone see a potential carry issue with this? http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/dvlray6/firearms/CompensatedHandgunFlash.jpg I personally don't care for big fireballs in my sight picture under low light conditions or for hot gases close to me when shooting from retention close to my body. YMMV, but not for me. What internet garbage? I shot a G22c and it did this. Not every round but it did. And for a defensive pistol, you don't want hot gas, and whatever else comes out of the barrel flying out of the gun into your face area. |
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Yea, I see a problem with that picture... it's complete inaccurate. Had a 31C. Good gun, sold it due to ammo. Ain't internet garbage. Get your *ss to a range at night with a C and see what you see. Hold your gun in retention and see what you feel. I've seen a large number in real life. Get over it. |
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Yea, I see a problem with that picture... it's complete inaccurate. Had a 31C. Good gun, sold it due to ammo. Ain't internet garbage. Get your *ss to a range at night with a C and see what you see. Hold your gun in retention and see what you feel. I've seen a large number in real life. Get over it. Yes it is. I have. |
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I'm no glock guy, but I think a G19c is a solution looking for a problem. It is my opinion that a 9mm is not a hard to control round. If you've fired a 19 and a 19c and liked the 19c? Get one! But I don't think it will really get you anything. The only changes I'd make to a glock 19 if I didn't want to leave it stock? (And again this is my personal preference) - Travis haley's skimmer trigger - vickers mag release - 10-8 sights - stipple the grip - NiB coating, maybe, for the lulz
- Consider a wilson combat barrel. necessary? no, but iirc some pistol instructors were putting them in guns showing that they were more accurate is all of that necessary? not really, but personally if I was going to get a G19 I'd probably do that. Skimmer trigger is unsafe. There is a video of a guy putting pressure on the back of the glock slide and the glock going off. Basically it is not drop safe. He does the same thing to a stock trigger and nothing happens. |
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Just some facts from the one I have had for 10 years.
Works fine, but like most said, on a 9mm not much gained. It will play with you a little when you go back and forth from other glock 9s You can easily turn it on and off by getting another Glock 19 barrel. It will soot the front sight with almost any ammo in 200 rounds (Take 5 secs and one finger to fix) It will make your teeth hurt at an indoor range I have shot night matches with night sights on my 19C, never lost the front sight picture or got blinded. 1 in 10 ammo brands will look like a dragon, the rest you'll never see. So, my final answer, I would not avoid it but I would never have one without an extra non ported barrel. |
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What is it like to shoot a C model from retention? Does it F you up at all? Great question, hopefully we can get answers from people that have done this with a Glock 19C (or other C model Glocks) and NOT from those that haven't or that have used other compensated weapons. |
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I have a 19C. The downsides are greatly exaggerated, however the benefits are minuscule. Basically this. Ive owned 3 "C"s, a 22, 17, and a 24. I wasnt looking for compensated guns when I found those, it just worked out that way. That said, I wouldnt go out of my way to buy one, nor would I go out of my way to avoid buying one. If I wanted a 19, and the compensated was all I could find, I would buy it. |
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Yes it is. I have. Then your experience is completely different from mine. I've personally seen several dozen c model Glocks in night shoots with factory defensive ammo and nearly all of the shooters had a much harder time picking up their sights than the non-c folks on multiple targets or single targets with follow up shots. These included 19C. Had to be at night and dark to notice this effect, I have fired C models (including the 19C) from retention position multiple times and usually demonstrate this wearing googles in courses if someone brings one, if not I bring one of mine. I always have soot on the goggles when I'm done. I've also seen quite a bit of variability in the "low flash" nature of factory defensive ammo. Typically in class, we get each person to bring what they carry to shoot in their gun so over a short while on the night COF we see them all. Some are surprised by the flamethrowers from some companies. Speer GD and Remington GS seem to be among the best in low flash in my experience. My advice to all is to get a box of what you shoot and find a range at night to let you do it. |
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I picked up a 19C cheap a few years ago. After shooting under a tin roof at the range, I bought a regular 19 barrel and installed it on the gun. The comped barrel hasn't been in it since.
I know if I have it in the front seat of the vehicle and have to "repel boarders" from inside the car, it will ruin what little hearing I have left . In low light or night, even with titrium sights, shooting one will spoil your vision some on the target. JMO |
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I picked up a 19C cheap a few years ago. After shooting under a tin roof at the range, I bought a regular 19 barrel and installed it on the gun. The comped barrel hasn't been in it since. I know if I have it in the front seat of the vehicle and have to "repel boarders" from inside the car, it will ruin what little hearing I have left . In low light or night, even with titrium sights, shooting one will spoil your vision some on the target. JMO 100% agreed. |
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Just some facts from the one I have had for 10 years. Works fine, but like most said, on a 9mm not much gained. It will play with you a little when you go back and forth from other glock 9s You can easily turn it on and off by getting another Glock 19 barrel. It will soot the front sight with almost any ammo in 200 rounds (Take 5 secs and one finger to fix) It will make your teeth hurt at an indoor range I have shot night matches with night sights on my 19C, never lost the front sight picture or got blinded. 1 in 10 ammo brands will look like a dragon, the rest you'll never see. So, my final answer, I would not avoid it but I would never have one without an extra non ported barrel. This is the best answer yet. I prefer the non-C but if you want one they aren't a "don't buy" |
| I had one for about 7 years and sold it to buy a standard 19. I was concerned the porting would make it less desirable on re-sale but that wasn't the case. If you want to try it out you'll be able to sell it for a normal 19 if you change your mind. I didn't see the benefit personally. |
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I'd have no problem with a 19C for a fun gun, but for a carry gun,no. Anyone see a potential carry issue with this? http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/dvlray6/firearms/CompensatedHandgunFlash.jpg I personally don't care for big fireballs in my sight picture under low light conditions or for hot gases close to me when shooting from retention close to my body. YMMV, but not for me. Yea. The issue is that the picture is photoshopped. Those are actually oxy acetylene flames superimposed onto that picture.. I carry my 19c all day every day. I shoot in all sorts of conditions. Works just perfect. Much faster target acquisition than you could ever hope to imagine from your non comped glocks... |
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I'd have no problem with a 19C for a fun gun, but for a carry gun,no. Anyone see a potential carry issue with this? http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r82/dvlray6/firearms/CompensatedHandgunFlash.jpg I personally don't care for big fireballs in my sight picture under low light conditions or for hot gases close to me when shooting from retention close to my body. YMMV, but not for me. What internet garbage? I shot a G22c and it did this. Not every round but it did. And for a defensive pistol, you don't want hot gas, and whatever else comes out of the barrel flying out of the gun into your face area. That's kinda funny. Never ONCE did my 19c shoot anything into my face. Odd... I don't get it. Why does everyone elses compensated guns shoot stuff into their faces except mine? I'm not sure what sort of ammunition you guys are shooting, but I get no fireballs, no torch flames, no soot, no copper, no fouling, and no rocket ships coming out of my ports. It doesn't blacken my sights, hurt my ears, or turn me blind for the next 3 hours after I shoot it... You guys need to do some pushups and toughen up a bit. Maybe put down the golf clubs and drink some whiskey straight up or something. My 19c shoots quicker, recovers faster, and is overall easier to shoot than all my other guns, including my non comped barrel I shoot sometimes. It's no comparison. My C model is way better. In every way. |
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Yea, I see a problem with that picture... it's complete inaccurate. Had a 31C. Good gun, sold it due to ammo. Ain't internet garbage. Get your *ss to a range at night with a C and see what you see. Hold your gun in retention and see what you feel. I've seen a large number in real life. Get over it. Yes it is. I have. There's this stuff called defensive ammunition, and it uses low-flash powder. Fixes that problem. |
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I have never shot a C model glock but have shot many compensated handguns. I have never noticed any increase in flash but a hella increase in noise. I once shot a 10mm Delta Elite that had such an efficient comp on it that it almost had negative muzzle flip in that the gun dove down a bit instead of going up, that was weird But damn was it loud, I had to stop and put earplugs in under my earphones. Not for me. It was a tricked out IDPA racegun and thats what he used it for, myself I would rather run an uncompted pistol, shoot it enought to get used to it and run it as fast and accurate as I can.
OP everything is a trade off, I doubt with decent ammo you have problems with flash effecting your sight picture or any problems like that but I dont see how there can not be greatly increased noise to the shooter. If you are fine with it I am sure it will do what it is intended to do which is decrease muzzleflip. |
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Quoted: Low flash powder doesn't solve the retention shooting problem. Over pressure gas behind your eye lids makes your trigger control go to shit.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea, I see a problem with that picture... it's complete inaccurate. Had a 31C. Good gun, sold it due to ammo. Ain't internet garbage. Get your *ss to a range at night with a C and see what you see. Hold your gun in retention and see what you feel. I've seen a large number in real life. Get over it. Yes it is. I have. There's this stuff called defensive ammunition, and it uses low-flash powder. Fixes that problem. |
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Bought one and really like shooting it. I can feel stuff being blown back under the bill of my hat while shooting during the day. I can imagine that it would create quite a flash as night. I bought a KKM barrel to install for shooting reloads. It will stay in the pistol when I carry it. (Normally, I carry a Colt 1911, but sometimes I need something a little more discrete.)
Buy it and have a good time! YMMV |
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There's this stuff called defensive ammunition, and it uses low-flash powder. Fixes that problem. Not all 'defensive ammunition" is created equal when it comes to flash. If you ever get a chance to watch a few, it is amazing how much variation there is between manufacturers. Some send out fireballs and some just a few sparks. |
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Yea, I see a problem with that picture... it's complete inaccurate. Had a 31C. Good gun, sold it due to ammo. Ain't internet garbage. Get your *ss to a range at night with a C and see what you see. Hold your gun in retention and see what you feel. I've seen a large number in real life. Get over it. 
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