Posted: 12/22/2011 6:40:29 PM EDT
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Anybody running Berry's Bullets in the factory Glock barrels? If so is every thing good to go with them being plated instead of jacketed? I see they are very affordable to load cheap target ammo. What is every ones take on it?
It will be .40 S&W in G22 G23 and G27. Also what load data are you running? Thanks |
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Since the only caveat about Glocks and reloads seems to be in shooting soft lead bullets, why would anybody think there'd be a problem with plated? I've shot thousands of plated bullets through my Glocks. Just be sure and don't overcrimp and don't push the velocities too much. I don't/won't load .40s, so have no experience there.
Best deal on real jacketed bullets I've found is from Precison Delta. |
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you hit it fragalistic- soft SWAGED lead bullets "might" cause issues in a glock "IF" the leading is not cleaned out after a range session "AND" jacketed bullets are shot through a heavily leaded bore
CAST lead bullets(which tend to be much harder than swaged bullets) can easily and safely be shot out of as glock providing yuou swab the lead out of the bore every couple hundred rounds or so and on't try to fire a jacketed bullet out of a leaded bore. the idea you can't shoot lead out of glocks (or reloads for that matter) is nonsenese. |
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Best deal on real jacketed bullets I've found is from Precison Delta. +1 on Precision Delta I used to shoot Lead, and the plated bullets from Berry's and Rainer thru my Glocks. I think the loading data for plated is the same if it was a lead bullet. The plating on the Berrys is probably thicker than the Rainers but the plating is still pretty thin. If you don't flare the case enough, don't get set the bullet on straight enough, crimp the plated bullets too tightly, or push them too fast, the plating can tear and either cause a jam or poor accuracy. I now shoot only jacketed bullets thru my guns basically because they are the least amount of hassle and they are a better and cheaper than the plated bullets. I shot lead thru my glocks for years with no problems but I used a harder lead bullet and cleaned my gun after each outing. I quit using lead because I got tired of cleaning up the lead mess on my guns and regularly cleaning the extra lead lube out of my reloading dies. If you shoot indoors, that lead vapor after every shot is pretty nasty too. I quit using plated bullets when I found out that jacketed bullets are cheaper and and I don't have to deal with the jamming or accuracy issues caused by the torn plating. |
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I load Berry's 9mm and .40 for my Glocks and have no issues. I typically use the low end of jacketed data.
From Berry's website: Plated bullets occupy a position between cast bullets and jacketed bullets. They are soft lead, but have a hard outer shell on them. When loading plated bullets we have found best results using low- to mid-range jacketed data in the load manual. You must use data for a bullet that has the same weight and profile as the one you are loading. Do not exceed mid-range loads. Do not use magnum loads.
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I tried both Berry's and Rainier 124 grain HPs in my M31. At 10 to 12 yards I got what looked like a shotgun pattern. It was my initial attempt to reload for the M31 and the loads were no where near maximum. The Berry's and Rainier's that are left will go through the Browning BDM as they shoot just great in it.
I bought some Hornady 124 HP's and they gave me groups like the factory ammo. My next purchase will be a Wolf barrel for the M31 and we'll try those plated bullets in it. I wish they had worked. |
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i have great luck w/berrys; pretty much all i shoot.
i have been wandering though. i bought a piler of montana golds in 9 from GT and a bunch of cci? in 40 from jake. they both shoot great. after i've run through my berrys 45 i'll be trying my hand at casting; i've got a really good mentor not far from me! for berrys i've found cabelas to have the best price when you figure in s&h&lead fees. |
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for berrys i've found cabelas to have the best price when you figure in s&h&lead fees. Check this out: Berrys 9mm 115 grain plated FMJ from Cabelas $22.99(on sale) per 250 = $91.96 Per thousand plus shipping Precision Delta 9mm 115 grain FMJ $76.00 per thousand INCLUDING shipping. You can lower price by an extra $4 per thousand by buying 10,000 or more at one time. If 10,000 is too much for you to order at one time, I just ask a few friends if they need bullets at that price and I add their order to mine so that we all make the discount. At those prices, you will find friends easily 
If you buy in qty ($72 per thousand), you can save $1 per box of 50 by shooting a true FMJ bullet from Precision Delta vs a plated FMJ from Berrys. |
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for berrys i've found cabelas to have the best price when you figure in s&h&lead fees. Check this out: Berrys 9mm 115 grain plated FMJ from Cabelas $22.99(on sale) per 250 = $91.96 Per thousand plus shipping Precision Delta 9mm 115 grain FMJ $76.00 per thousand INCLUDING shipping. You can lower price by an extra $4 per thousand by buying 10,000 or more at one time. If 10,000 is too much for you to order at one time, I just ask a few friends if they need bullets at that price and I add their order to mine so that we all make the discount. At those prices, you will find friends easily
If you buy in qty ($72 per thousand), you can save $1 per box of 50 by shooting a true FMJ bullet from Precision Delta vs a plated FMJ from Berrys. Why not just buy from Berry's direct? That same bullet is $82.78/1000 with free shipping, and unlike PD you don't have to buy 2000 to order. Berry's 115g RN |
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I've shot 10s of thousands of Berry's and Rainier plated bullets in my G21, G22, G23, G24, and even my G20 10mm with no problems at all. In addition,Slow or fast, they preform just fine. Yes, you load them to plain lead bullet levels because the lead core is very soft, but no, they don't lead the barrel as they are plated. As to velocities, I've loaded my 165grn plated bullets at levels as low as under 600fps and as high as 1,587fps from my G20L without issue. That's right, no plating shedding, no keyholes, no problems. I shoot Berry's and Rainier plated 357mag bullets in my leverguns at velocities over 1,900fps and at ranges up to 300yds and they work fine too. The trick is to not over crimp them, but rather just enough to remove the bell at the mouth. Excess crimping will loosen the bullet in the case because brass has 'spring back' while lead does not and excess crimping can cut through the plating and damage it. That's when you have problems with the plating being shed from the lead core. BTW, Speer Gold Dots too are plated bullets too. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: for berrys i've found cabelas to have the best price when you figure in s&h&lead fees. Check this out: Berrys 9mm 115 grain plated FMJ from Cabelas $22.99(on sale) per 250 = $91.96 Per thousand plus shipping Precision Delta 9mm 115 grain FMJ $76.00 per thousand INCLUDING shipping. You can lower price by an extra $4 per thousand by buying 10,000 or more at one time. If 10,000 is too much for you to order at one time, I just ask a few friends if they need bullets at that price and I add their order to mine so that we all make the discount. At those prices, you will find friends easily If you buy in qty ($72 per thousand), you can save $1 per box of 50 by shooting a true FMJ bullet from Precision Delta vs a plated FMJ from Berrys. Why not just buy from Berry's direct? That same bullet is $82.78/1000 with free shipping, and unlike PD you don't have to buy 2000 to order. Berry's 115g RN Graf and Sons $80.54 shipped: http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/23285 |
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last time i ordered from berrys they tacked on a stout lead surcharge; that's why i don't buy direct. what is the cleanup with PDs? Jacketed bullets are much cleaner than lead. I can shoot 200 jacketed bullets thru a gun and have less cleanup than shooting a dozen lead bullets thru a gun. My two main sources of jacketed bullets are Zero Bullets and Precision Delta Zero and Precision Delta had almost identical pricing up until about 6 months ago when Zero had a price increase. Zeros and Precision Delta are still pretty close on most calibers except when it comes to 9mm. Zeros jacked up their 9mm prices up by about $20 a thousand and Precsion Delta left theirs alone. I've shot a lot of Zero bullets and they are good bullets. One thing to be aware of with Zeros is to order your bullets ahead of when you need them. When it gets closer to spring with IDPA and IPSC, etc, Zeros would get sometimes(but not always) get backlogged for a couple months. I have heard that Precision Delta sometimes has a similar problem but since I have been pretty dedicated to Zeros, I haven't personally ordered from Precision delta yet. My shooting buddies assure me that Precision Delta bullets are just as good as Zeros. I am going to place my orders in a couple weeks to make sure that I am ahead of the rush. This year most of my order will be going to Precision Delta but since Precision Delta doesn't offer jacketed 38 special, I will still get those from Zero. |