Posted: 6/28/2011 4:42:22 AM EDT
| I'm looking at getting a Glock 22 or 23, preferably a gen 4. I know the gen 4 has had issues but my understanding is that these problems are limited to 9mm. Is this true? |
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Gen 4 22 with about 1100 rounds through it and no failures. Mixture of winchester ranger, winchester white box, federal champion, and Hornady FPD. Most rounds were 180gr. Gen 4 21 just took out sunday shot about 350 rounds mixed betwen Win Ranger, Win White box, and Fed Champion. Love both of these guns. I shot my friends 22 gen 3 before and personally just liked the mbs and grip of the gen4. Recoil is still something that takes getting used to after shooting my sig p226. Anyways, my $.02. Herrmen |
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No. It is true that the 9mm are MORE problematic, but any Gen 4 is a risk. Do you actually own a gen 4 .40? 
I have a ton of rounds through my gen 4 G22 over 2500. Not a single problem. And this is the majority of gen 4 .40 users. There were a few reports of bad extractors that were replaced & then are ok, or problems from bad ammo. |
| I keep reading about these "issues" in this forum, but I have not experienced any "issues" with any of the 3 gen 4 17's that I own and use regularly as loaner guns for my CHL and Basic Pistol students, many of whom have never shot any other gun before. Was I just lucky? |
| I was never really a Glock fan until recently and I ended up buying a Gen 3 G17 and a Gen 4 G17. The Gen 4 was a rental gun from the shop I go to and it had over 20K rounds through it when I bought it. I've owned both guns now for over 6 months and the Gen 4 is all I've shot for range sessions and competitons. I've already shot close to 2000 rounds myself plus the 20K when it was a rental and all that was replaced was the extractor and a few springs. In the 2K rounds I've shot, I've only had one stovepipe. Having said all that, what issues are the Gen 4 having? If someone can provide a link, that would help also to educate this Glock newbie.. |
| I take care of many Gen 4 model 22's some now have between 10,000 and 12,000rds through them. No problems with any of them. They are all cared for very well, but have gone over 2,000rds during training without even a wipe down and ran just fine. Only quality ammo has been used Ranger, HST, and green and white box FMJ. I would have no problem going out and buying a new one. |
| For those that claim the gen 4 problems are BS......My gen 4 g19 had ejection and jamming issues with several types of ammo including HST +p. No way it was underpowered ammo since the HST had issues. I replaced the extractor with a Lone Wolf unit and it runs great now. I carry it with confidence now but it was frustrating getting it figured out. |
| He was looking at a Gen 4 model 22 or 23. They are not known to have the same problems your G19 did. I would not BS anyone on reliability issues, I have not seen any issues with these pistols in over a year of use and a butt load of rounds. A quick extractor change should have not been that frustrating to change or rule out. |
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He was looking at a Gen 4 model 22 or 23. They are not known to have the same problems your G19 did. I would not BS anyone on reliability issues, I have not seen any issues with these pistols in over a year of use and a butt load of rounds. A quick extractor change should have not been that frustrating to change or rule out. It wasn't my intention to specifically call you out. Just trying to present a different view (and a fix if needed) from all of the folks that have gen 4's running right out of the box. Not trying to start an argument here, we all have better things to do than argue on the internet. You are right, changing the extractor was a snap but trying to get replacement parts from Glock customer service was a pain. If I had it to do over again I would have gotten the Lone Wolf part as soon as I noticed a problem instead of trying to get Glock to make it right. |
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My department went to Glocks last June. Most of them are Gen4 22s. We have had several of the dual spring guide rods self-destruct. One did so while I was on the range for qualification. The Gen4 belonging to a co-worker next to me blew one of the springs and half the rod out the front of the gun on the third round fired from a brand new gun. The couple of others that have gone have come apart when the gun was field striped. The guns worked fine until they were taken apart, then the outer spring let go, and the assembly had to be replaced with a new unit.
Since the Gen4 23 and 27 were not available when we made the purchase, we also got some RTF2 23s and some regular Gen3 27s. We have not had any problems with them. I was blessed and got a 23 RTF2 even though I am assigned to patrol (I asked, it was granted, go figure) I have since purchased a Gen4 26 with which I have had no problems. That isn't really a surprise, as best as I can tell, the dual spring unit in the Gen4 26 is the same as the previous generation dual spring. I probably wouldn't buy a Gen4 other than a baby Glock until more time as passed and any issues have been resolved. Luckily, as long as I can find RTF2 versions of the Gen3, I have no need of the Gen4, other than my 26. |
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Looks like you got good answers above..... but my $.02
Gen4 23 - 700 flawless rounds - I carry it daily and trust it. Gen 4 19 - 1500 (plus or minus a little - need to check ammo box) flawless rounds (with one failure to fire due to bad ammo). There is no argument that they haven't had their troubles, but mostly I think some people hate change, and even more like to spout shit they have heard (not experienced) exaggerating the size of the problem. The way some people think - you are taking a sketchy chance buying a plastic tupperware gun anyway. Just do whatever makes you happy and trust in glock as long as they still have decent customer service. |
| I have a Gen4 G17. Came with the new spring already installed. Was stiff for the first 350 rounds but no FTEs. I bought a Jager Gen4 Guide Rod and a 13# spring just in case I wanted to switch but the dual sprint RSA has been working fine. At about 2000 rounds the extractor started to have issues. I ordered a LWD extractor from Midway and the problem went away. For the most part I've only shot my 'target' load of 124grain Montana Gold CMJs which fly out around 1050fps. Pretty comparable recoil to WWB. I did run a box of Speer 124 grain Gold Dots. Those ran fine so they are loaded up when it's not at the range. |
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My department went to Glocks last June. Most of them are Gen4 22s. We have had several of the dual spring guide rods self-destruct. One did so while I was on the range for qualification. The Gen4 belonging to a co-worker next to me blew one of the springs and half the rod out the front of the gun on the third round fired from a brand new gun. The couple of others that have gone have come apart when the gun was field striped. The guns worked fine until they were taken apart, then the outer spring let go, and the assembly had to be replaced with a new unit.
The early gen 4 G22 & G23 had different recoil springs that caused this. They revised the guide rod end to fit into the slide hole better. Since this change it has fixed the issues you have experienced. If those glocks do not have that upgrade you need to get glock to give you the parts to swap. |