Posted: 1/28/2011 7:05:06 PM EDT
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Hey there AR-15ers and Glocksters. I decided I would try one of the Grip Force Adapters on my Glock 19 Gen 3. I have never experienced slide bite on my hand but I have had to stich the webbing on my underarmor gloves a few times (I have a very high grip). Furthermore, it's only $26 shipped and I wanted to try it so SHUT UP! Installed very easily and I did do some minor sanding on the sides since they were a bit sharp. Feels freaking great in the hand. The back stippling is very aggressive and I like it. Grip angle is slightly changed, but I will know more about how that will truly affect me once I get some range time with this installed.
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BTW it's very solid and there is not give or flexing with the adapter. Like I said I'll give an actual range report very soon. I'll put 200-300 rounds down it in a session and see how it works for me. |
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I think maybe you're supposed to cut that down a bit for the 19. It's made to length for the 17. But that's up to you, once you cut it you can't go back without paying another $26. I cut down my gen4 medium backstrap a little higher than that. I found that I was able to put double and triple taps on paper more accurately with the adjusted grip angle. The group on the left was 5 fast shots, then a triple tap (I missed one shot in my circle, top left of circle) with my backstrap. The one on the right was double and triple taps without the backstrap (also missed the bottom shot with my circle. my circling's as bad as my shooting  ). 7 yards. |
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GLOCKREAPER,
Yeah it really isn't bad looking at all. Jonny, I know what you're saying. They told me that it didn't matter that there is a tiny gap at the end and that the adapter is rock solid so it won't flex and pinch my hand etc. I believe them so far because it definately does not flex even with me pushing hard on the adapter. We will see how it holds up at the range. |
Put one on my 17 and can honestly say that it has improved my grip...it got rid of the bump. I wear a M glove, so the GLOCK bump hit my palm in a funny spot, which normally canted my muzzle upwards, sure with training I could move my wrist to achieve an accurate sight picture. Since installation, my sights are right where they should be and my weapon points more like a 1911 (carried one for years). It works for me.
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A significant problem with this device is that it raises the bore axis substantially thereby increasing the torquing recoil forces, increasing 'muzzle flip'. Further, it's being held in place by the plastic trigger housing pin and over time the load being transferred to the hole in the grip could cause it to 'oval' with a subsequent loosening of the pin and trigger housing. Finally, for most people it is totally unnecessary and actually reduces one's accuracy in followup because of the increased muzzle flip. It's truly is a fix in search of a problem and in my mind a waste of time, money, and plastic. |
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A significant problem with this device is that it raises the bore axis substantially thereby increasing the torquing recoil forces, increasing 'muzzle flip'. Further, it's being held in place by the plastic trigger housing pin and over time the load being transferred to the hole in the grip could cause it to 'oval' with a subsequent loosening of the pin and trigger housing. Finally, for most people it is totally unnecessary and actually reduces one's accuracy in followup because of the increased muzzle flip. It's truly is a fix in search of a problem and in my mind a waste of time, money, and plastic. Those are some outstanding claims your making there. a) have you shot a Glock using this Grip Force adapter? b) how far is the "substantial" increase in the height of the bore axis? c) have you put anyone on a shot timer and observed a decrease in accuracy and or speed? I'm going to ignore the accusation that this "could" egg out the hole in your frame as its completely baseless. I'm asking these questions because all of the first hand reviews I've seen of this have been universally positive. I'll agree that its butt-ugly, but its hard to discount the recommendations of Bill Rodgers, Dave Harrington, and Ken Hackathorn as well. |
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Height of the bore is not the only factor in muzzle flip. If you look at the math, whats really important is center of percussion, which is a function of mass and force distribution. I may try a GFA. I think it might speed up my draw. I need to test it on a timer.
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| Yikes Steve!!!! That's a whole lot of poo on the product right there. I would like to see long term results to see if there are any "ovaling" etc. As for follow ups and muzzle flip, the shooting experts that have spoke about it have claimed it does just the opposite. I would love to see some videos showing slow motion though, that would be great. I'll let you know a full range report with mine soon. |
| Haven't noticed any change in recoil or muzzle "flip". Time will tell on ovaling of the pin, but I have my doubts. I'm as accurate with it as I was without it, it has just slightly changed the way the grip sits in my palm, I've got about 300rds with it now. YMMV |
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10 years ago, I never had a problem with slide bite. I'm still in relatively good shape but seem to suffer from it. My right hand just has more muscle and bulk to it. When shooting left handed - never an issue. Right handed - ouch.
I've been looking for a solution to this for a while, but have hesitated on the commitment a customized beavertail requires. I'll be trying this - fingers crossed. But reviews seem mostly positive thus far. |
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Quoted: If teh gripforce was to cause ovaling of the pin, then the regular backstraps would cause ovaling as well. Yeah, if the GFA could oval the pin hole, you would think 50,000 rounds through a Glock would bend the slide rails in the frame, but I've never heard of that. |
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A significant problem with this device is that it raises the bore axis substantially thereby increasing the torquing recoil forces, increasing 'muzzle flip'. Further, it's being held in place by the plastic trigger housing pin and over time the load being transferred to the hole in the grip could cause it to 'oval' with a subsequent loosening of the pin and trigger housing. Finally, for most people it is totally unnecessary and actually reduces one's accuracy in followup because of the increased muzzle flip. It's truly is a fix in search of a problem and in my mind a waste of time, money, and plastic. I get crazy slide bite, and if I'm wearing gloves, the friction of the slide against my hand slows its travel significantly leading to failures. Just because it works for people with small hands doesn't mean it works for everyone. |
| "a fix in search of a problem" is a term a hear a lot from Glock owners. I don't really understand why some people refuse to see that improvements can be made on the design. I mean the Gen 4 has different sized backstraps and now even a beavertail backstrap. Glock is aware of improvements that need to be made so lets embrace it as Glock brothers :) . I really do look forward to trying this out at the range. I will give you a definitive report of my experience. |
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I'm not going to lie- I think the thing is hideous.
But I'm also very intrigued. Ever since I got a Gen4 19 to supplement my Gen3 I realized that I shot better with the LARGE backstrap on the Gen4, but I get bad slide-bite(I have no issues with slide bite on the standard Gen3 grip or small Gen4 grip). If this thing brings the large Gen4 grip to a Gen3 pistol with no danger of slide bite then I am VERY interested. Only problem is the 'need to get list' has some other things on it(night sights for the Gen 4, ammo, mags...) |
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Heres what I dont get. Why do you guys that get slide bite with glocks, continue to buy and shoot glocks??? If I ever had a f'n pistol that ripped up my hand and drew blood when I shot it, I would sell it after the very first outing.. Seriously, what gives?? I standardized on the Glock platform several years before ever experiencing slide bite. I'm invested - 9 Glocks and loads of magazines and accessories. No way I'm getting off of it - I'm committed. 
Beyond that, my slide bite is not that bad. My hand doesn't really hurt or anything. The most annoying thing is getting blood on your clothes. |
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Dirknar,
From what I have read on forums is that for some of the people that originally get glocks they don't experience slide bite initially, but in time as their grip improves and gets higher they start to experience this problem. As for most others, I bet it's because it's a Glock and there is not another platform out there that has so many options for so cheap. Plus it's a very simple gun to work on yourself and you save a crap ton in gunsmith fees, lets not forget about GSSF discounts and armorers etc. |
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Heres what I dont get. Why do you guys that get slide bite with glocks, continue to buy and shoot glocks??? If I ever had a f'n pistol that ripped up my hand and drew blood when I shot it, I would sell it after the very first outing.. Seriously, what gives?? I standardized on the Glock platform several years before ever experiencing slide bite. I'm invested - 9 Glocks and loads of magazines and accessories. No way I'm getting off of it - I'm committed.
Beyond that, my slide bite is not that bad. My hand doesn't really hurt or anything. The most annoying thing is getting blood on your clothes.  Haha, I say Ouch! sell them to me for cheap, im in WA  .. You ever try the M&P's? they have a great beaver tail.
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Dirknar, From what I have read on forums is that for some of the people that originally get glocks they don't experience slide bite initially, but in time as their grip improves and gets higher they start to experience this problem. As for most others, I bet it's because it's a Glock and there is not another platform out there that has so many options for so cheap. Plus it's a very simple gun to work on yourself and you save a crap ton in gunsmith fees, lets not forget about GSSF discounts and armorers etc. Ya I hear ya, but how could this "Improving" the grip, lead to blood? Maybe sometimes ppl need quit reading the internet forums so much about the HIGH grip and quit trying to be like LV , KH other great shooters/trainers and hold THIS pistol like it was meant to be held?? 1911's/M&P's hold them as high as you can.. Glocks/sigs, not so high.. Im not trying to be a troll but it just doesnt make sense to me.. Lower your grip if its tearing up your hand..?? or buy the GF to lower it for you I guess.. |
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Heres what I dont get. Why do you guys that get slide bite with glocks, continue to buy and shoot glocks??? If I ever had a f'n pistol that ripped up my hand and drew blood when I shot it, I would sell it after the very first outing.. Seriously, what gives?? I standardized on the Glock platform several years before ever experiencing slide bite. I'm invested - 9 Glocks and loads of magazines and accessories. No way I'm getting off of it - I'm committed.
Beyond that, my slide bite is not that bad. My hand doesn't really hurt or anything. The most annoying thing is getting blood on your clothes. Haha, I say Ouch! sell them to me for cheap, im in WA .. You ever try the M&P's? they have a great beaver tail.I've tried the M&P's but they just never felt the same. The trigger pull was also too long and too heavy. I would have found myself modding that one, too. They were on target with the beavertail. All that said, I need to make my Glocks work. I have too many! |
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Quoted: I'm not going to lie- I think the thing is hideous. But I'm also very intrigued. Ever since I got a Gen4 19 to supplement my Gen3 I realized that I shot better with the LARGE backstrap on the Gen4, but I get bad slide-bite(I have no issues with slide bite on the standard Gen3 grip or small Gen4 grip). If this thing brings the large Gen4 grip to a Gen3 pistol with no danger of slide bite then I am VERY interested. Only problem is the 'need to get list' has some other things on it(night sights for the Gen 4, ammo, mags...) You can use the medium backstrap with a Gen 3 GFA to get a large grip. |
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I'll concede that the pin issue likely isn't a huge concern but raising the bore axis is definitely going to negatively affect one's ability to control the pistol. One of Glock's main attributes is that it has a low bore axis and raising it by the thickness of that add-on is a big thing. However, for those of you who suffer slide bite, it may be a good tradeoff. And anyway, it's your money and your grip so if it works for you, more power to ya. |
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Steve,
Thank you. I will definately let you know how it affects my recoil control with the increased bore axis. I do agree that the lower bore axis on the Glock is fantastic. Dave, So far sir, it feels amazing in the hand. Thanks for the pic compliments. I noticed a big difference in how solid I feel on my draw. I guess with it making my gen 3 grip a little larger I have no gap in my delivery and feels very rock solid. The aggressive back texturing feels nice and "grippy" as well. I look forward to trying this at the range and really hope it feels as good in actual firing as it does in my hand during dry firing practice. |
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I've never liked my G17 –– the grip was not conducive to good trigger finger placement and action and as a result I could not shoot it worth a damn. Got out today with the grip force adapter installed and shot that gun better than I ever have. Full win.
I did not notice an increase in muzzle flip due to any small increase in bore over hand height, but I'm 6'5 220 and it's a full-size 9mm with a x400 light hung out front –– it's not moving much anyway. |
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Congrats on your positive results as well guys.
I just got back from the range and am very happy with the grip force adapter. I think it's because the grip is slightly larger and angled a little more naturally for me, because I shot better than usual. It was very cold and my hands were getting numb so this was not quite the best conditions to practice in but I still had (what I consider) great results. Muzzle flip was not evident so the slightly increased bore axis is not an issue. My accuracy was better than usual, especially on my fast firing. I was able to keep all my shots in the 9 ring and head shot every try from 15 yards and closer and that's an improvement for me (I know I suck). Here's a pic of the gun: 
Here's a pic of the target shot at 12 yards fast fire string with no light attached: 
*I am not competition shooter so this is a very good showing for me with a fast fire string* |