Posted: 7/22/2010 5:42:49 PM EDT
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I had an interview with a local police office today and they asked me a question that got me thinking...
Pretend you are an officer and are on your way to a 'man with a gun' call at a local middle school. you arrive on scene and your'e met by the principal who tells you where a 35 year old man is. you arrive at the crowded hallway and the man has a gun and is pointing it at you. what do you do? now the following question was 'what if it's a 12 year old?' I said that the 12 year old may be more dangerous due to the fact that he may not know the consequences of what he or she is doing. What do you all think? |
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A man was shot and nearly killed a few years ago in a mall shooting(Kansas IIRC)...he head a clear shot at the perp(he was carrying that day) but didn't take the shot because the shooter looked "so young". Apparently age didn't mean much to the shooter...he put four 7.62X39 rounds into the man and paralyzed him for life.
No matter the age(well, to a reasonable limit)...if you're pointing a weapon me and I happen to be carrying(or in your example...carrying my service pistol)...it's game on. -D2V |
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Quoted: Yep, that was the Tacoma Mall here in Tacoma, WA.A man was shot and nearly killed a few years ago in a mall shooting(Kansas IIRC)...he head a clear shot at the perp(he was carrying that day) but didn't take the shot because the shooter looked "so young". Apparently age didn't mean much to the shooter...he put four 7.62X39 rounds into the man and paralyzed him for life. No matter the age(well, to a reasonable limit)...if you're pointing a weapon me and I happen to be carrying(or in your example...carrying my service pistol)...it's game on. -D2V It's a damn shame for him that he hesitated.  |
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At wasn't Seminole Co SO was it? One of their SWAT guys shot and killed a 12 yo boy in a middle school a few years back in basically that exact situation. It turned out the kid had a BB/Airsoft gun that was very realistic. It was a good shoot (from a legal perspective, still sucked) but they caught a lot of flak in the media over it. I agree that a kid can be just as, if not more, dangerous than an adult.
ETA: IIRC, it was also a head shot and they tried to turn it into a "why didn't he shoot him in the leg/arm/etc" issue. |
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It was Gwinnett Co in Atlanta... When I said that I would shoot him, one of the officers on the board looked really surprised and was like 'you would shoot a 12 Y/O?!?!) I mean I wouldn't want to, but if it's him or me... Probably wanted to test your resolution by seeing if you would reverse your position. It's what I would do. |
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What do you all think? I think a 12 year old can kill you as dead as a 35 year old. I think that there are 12 year olds who are genuinely sociopaths. I think I can prove both assertions quite nicely using real life examples. I think that if I'm offered a choice between shooting a 12 year old who is in the process of slaughtering as many innocent people as he can and letting a bunch of innocent people get dead because the idiot pulling the trigger happens to be 12, I'll nut the fuck up and get the job done rather than allow some misplaced sense of sympathy for a murderer to get in the way of a duty and obligation to protect the innocent from that scumbag. Once someone decides to kill a bunch of people the whole "He's 12!!" argument ceases to have any rational merit whatsoever. |
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It was Gwinnett Co in Atlanta... When I said that I would shoot him, one of the officers on the board looked really surprised and was like 'you would shoot a 12 Y/O?!?!) I mean I wouldn't want to, but if it's him or me... Probably wanted to test your resolution by seeing if you would reverse your position. It's what I would do. This. There's at least one on every oral board. |
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Quoted: well said.Quoted: What do you all think? I think a 12 year old can kill you as dead as a 35 year old. I think that there are 12 year olds who are genuinely sociopaths. I think I can prove both assertions quite nicely using real life examples. I think that if I'm offered a choice between shooting a 12 year old who is in the process of slaughtering as many innocent people as he can and letting a bunch of innocent people get dead because the idiot pulling the trigger happens to be 12, I'll nut the fuck up and get the job done rather than allow some misplaced sense of sympathy for a murderer to get in the way of a duty and obligation to protect the innocent from that scumbag. Once someone decides to kill a bunch of people the whole "He's 12!!" argument ceases to have any rational merit whatsoever. |
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What do you all think? I think a 12 year old can kill you as dead as a 35 year old. I think that there are 12 year olds who are genuinely sociopaths. I think I can prove both assertions quite nicely using real life examples. I think that if I'm offered a choice between shooting a 12 year old who is in the process of slaughtering as many innocent people as he can and letting a bunch of innocent people get dead because the idiot pulling the trigger happens to be 12, I'll nut the fuck up and get the job done rather than allow some misplaced sense of sympathy for a murderer to get in the way of a duty and obligation to protect the innocent from that scumbag. Once someone decides to kill a bunch of people the whole "He's 12!!" argument ceases to have any rational merit whatsoever. Well put as usual. In an obvious situation like that you're right on. He's in the process of killing people, he has to be stopped. I was thinking more in terms of a "man with a gun" situation. Some damn tough decisions are going to have to get made in a hurry. You just better hope your size-up of the situation is spot on. But thats why they pay LEOs the big bucks. 
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I had an interview with a local police office today and they asked me a question that got me thinking... Pretend you are an officer and are on your way to a 'man with a gun' call at a local middle school. you arrive on scene and your'e met by the principal who tells you where a 35 year old man is. you arrive at the crowded hallway and the man has a gun and is pointing it at you. what do you do? now the following question was 'what if it's a 12 year old?' I said that the 12 year old may be more dangerous due to the fact that he may not know the consequences of what he or she is doing. What do you all think? I'm not a LEO and wouldn't like to be one. That said....my thought would be to find cover and try to communicate with the guy if I could. If he's not shooting, why get him started. If I drew fire, that;s what cover's for. If others started going down....aim and fire until one or both of you are killed. |
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Quoted: Quoted: What do you all think? I think a 12 year old can kill you as dead as a 35 year old. I think that there are 12 year olds who are genuinely sociopaths. I think I can prove both assertions quite nicely using real life examples. I think that if I'm offered a choice between shooting a 12 year old who is in the process of slaughtering as many innocent people as he can and letting a bunch of innocent people get dead because the idiot pulling the trigger happens to be 12, I'll nut the fuck up and get the job done rather than allow some misplaced sense of sympathy for a murderer to get in the way of a duty and obligation to protect the innocent from that scumbag. Once someone decides to kill a bunch of people the whole "He's 12!!" argument ceases to have any rational merit whatsoever. Same thing I said, but MUCH more well-said. Good post, good sir.  |
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It was Gwinnett Co in Atlanta... When I said that I would shoot him, one of the officers on the board looked really surprised and was like 'you would shoot a 12 Y/O?!?!) I mean I wouldn't want to, but if it's him or me... Really!? Im a Recruit for Gwinnett County right now. Its an awesome department to work for why did you leave? Also they asked me that too during the interview and one of the guys "looked" surprised too when i told him id end the threat but i think its meant to see if you would second guess yourself and change the answer and thats the last thing you want to do. |
| In Iraq we saw 10 year olds with AKs and the will to use them. Here is the problem I see though here in the US. Even if it is warranted and you shoot the kid. Even if the criminal court rules it a good shoot you will be sued in civil court. They will parade that "poor defensless kid who had his whole life ahead of him" out in front of everyone and all of a sudden the criminal kid is a saint and the law abiding citizen who was just protecting himself from getting killed is now a bag of assholes. Moral. Triple tap, you just have to aim a little lower to hit head of a 12 year old. |
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It was Gwinnett Co in Atlanta... When I said that I would shoot him, one of the officers on the board looked really surprised and was like 'you would shoot a 12 Y/O?!?!) I mean I wouldn't want to, but if it's him or me... Really!? Im a Recruit for Gwinnett County right now. Its an awesome department to work for why did you leave? Also they asked me that too during the interview and one of the guys "looked" surprised too when i told him id end the threat but i think its meant to see if you would second guess yourself and change the answer and thats the last thing you want to do. I didn't leave, I'm still working on the application process. |
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What do you all think? I think a 12 year old can kill you as dead as a 35 year old. I think that there are 12 year olds who are genuinely sociopaths. I think I can prove both assertions quite nicely using real life examples. I think that if I'm offered a choice between shooting a 12 year old who is in the process of slaughtering as many innocent people as he can and letting a bunch of innocent people get dead because the idiot pulling the trigger happens to be 12, I'll nut the fuck up and get the job done rather than allow some misplaced sense of sympathy for a murderer to get in the way of a duty and obligation to protect the innocent from that scumbag. Once someone decides to kill a bunch of people the whole "He's 12!!" argument ceases to have any rational merit whatsoever. Agreed. I'd give that little fucker lead poisoning. Too many kids with guns around here thinking it will make them a man or some shit. What happened to 2 kids meeting at the playground after school to settle things? |