Posted: 4/8/2009 7:07:01 PM EDT
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First response got the point System to get a CCH license is a joke if you have passed a hunter safety course or other firearms safety training then you should just have to go take a test like your DMV test and get your licenses. I do not have a problem with the waiting period or background check just wasting a Sunday I could have spent with my son.
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| man hearing stories like this makes me glad I live in PA. I recently got my CCW, all it took was a trip to the county courthouse, fill out a one page form, go sit on a bench for 10 min as they do the backround check, pay them the fee, then get my picture taken and wait 20 more secs for the permit to print, outta there in like 20 min!!! itd be smart to leave your italian friend at home though, b4 my ccw i just kept it in the house, aint worth a felony to me |
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you're not doing CCW's any good by publicly announcing that you slept through class and carry anyway. Think before you post. No doubt. Lousy attitude, and openly admitting you're comitting a crime by carrying "anyways", despite having no permit yet, on the internet. You are an embarassment. |
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Lets hope you never have to use that "Italian Friend" you keep in your pocket. A prosecuting attorney would have a field day with your statements. Not to mention that the 8 hour ccw class in KS is there to teach you the law. When and where you can carry and when it is justified for you to act. It's not something to sleep through, it's there to cover your ass so you know how to act responsibly as a ccw and stay out of jail. Don't ruin it for the rest of us. |
| Before we had legal CCW in KY, it was rare that someone was prosecuted for having a concealed weapon. Since every judge and prosecuter did it, they rarely would push to prosecute. However, once there became a legal option they started prosecuting for illegal concealed carry with vigor. Hope you don't have that problem... |
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I think the FBI wants to meet has some questions about your Italian friend.
EDIT : Don't want people to take things the wrong way. ETA : See what I mean? |
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OP's post, combined with my own experience regarding the other people in my CCH class are actually making me think maybe it should be harder to pass the "exam" in Kansas.
I didn't have anything against the other people in my class. They all actually seemed like really cool people. However, out of 10 people, only myself and my buddy had any real experience or training with handguns. 3 or 4 of the others had never even fired a handgun before that day. It just seems to me that maybe a little bit more training with gun handling and defensive shooting practices should be in order. (Yes, they all passed the shooting portion of the test. But honestly the requirements were incredibly lax and our instructor said he'd never seen anyone fail it.) And yes, OP has exactly the kind of attitude that should prevent him from having access to a privilege that can end up reflecting negatively on the rest of us. |
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finaly took the class had a good nap almost awaste of a day. Had to give up prints today now have to wait 45-60 days to get it. oh well will keep my Italian friend in my pocket anyway. You're certainly not doing law-abiding CCW holders any favors. I sincerely hope your permit is denied. |
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OP's post, combined with my own experience regarding the other people in my CCH class are actually making me think maybe it should be harder to pass the "exam" in Kansas. I didn't have anything against the other people in my class. They all actually seemed like really cool people. However, out of 10 people, only myself and my buddy had any real experience or training with handguns. 3 or 4 of the others had never even fired a handgun before that day. It just seems to me that maybe a little bit more training with gun handling and defensive shooting practices should be in order. (Yes, they all passed the shooting portion of the test. But honestly the requirements were incredibly lax and our instructor said he'd never seen anyone fail it.) And yes, OP has exactly the kind of attitude that should prevent him from having access to a privilege that can end up reflecting negatively on the rest of us. Although I don't think much of the OPs attitude or his asinine revelation in a public forum that he is committing an illegal act; the right to bear arms isn't a privilege; it's an inalienable right which applies to idiots as well as those with common sense. Stupid people have rights too. |
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OP's post, combined with my own experience regarding the other people in my CCH class are actually making me think maybe it should be harder to pass the "exam" in Kansas. I didn't have anything against the other people in my class. They all actually seemed like really cool people. However, out of 10 people, only myself and my buddy had any real experience or training with handguns. 3 or 4 of the others had never even fired a handgun before that day. It just seems to me that maybe a little bit more training with gun handling and defensive shooting practices should be in order. (Yes, they all passed the shooting portion of the test. But honestly the requirements were incredibly lax and our instructor said he'd never seen anyone fail it.) And yes, OP has exactly the kind of attitude that should prevent him from having access to a privilege that can end up reflecting negatively on the rest of us. Although I don't think much of the OPs attitude or his asinine revelation in a public forum that he is committing an illegal act; the right to bear arms isn't a privilege; it's an inalienable right which applies to idiots as well as those with common sense. Stupid people have rights too. While I agree with the sentiment of your statement, there is one small thing that I disagree with. The right to bear arms concealed in public isn't expressly addressed by the 2A. I don't want to get into an arguement about whether 2A allows for concealed carry or not. What does apply in this situation is that 2A allows us to own firearms. Beyond that, the current federal laws give some of us further privileges that may or may not have been initially implied. If the OP wants to open carry, I have no issue with it. If he wants to have special permissions beyond what the general, unlicensed public has, he needs to abide by the laws that provide for that opportunity. Taking the CCH class and turning in your paperwork isn't immediate approval to carry a concealed weapon. He's not doing any of us any favors by doing so. (Not that this appears to be a new thing for him, based on his thread title.) |
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finaly took the class had a good nap almost awaste of a day. Had to give up prints today now have to wait 45-60 days to get it. oh well will keep my Italian friend in my pocket anyway. Fall asleep in one of my classes and you don't get your applications signed off on. Might also be funny to see how high you jump if you hear a loud noise behind you while you're snoring. 
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do yourself a favor and go take the class again. this time try to pay attention.
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OP's post, combined with my own experience regarding the other people in my CCH class are actually making me think maybe it should be harder to pass the "exam" in Kansas. I didn't have anything against the other people in my class. They all actually seemed like really cool people. However, out of 10 people, only myself and my buddy had any real experience or training with handguns. 3 or 4 of the others had never even fired a handgun before that day. It just seems to me that maybe a little bit more training with gun handling and defensive shooting practices should be in order. (Yes, they all passed the shooting portion of the test. But honestly the requirements were incredibly lax and our instructor said he'd never seen anyone fail it.) And yes, OP has exactly the kind of attitude that should prevent him from having access to a privilege that can end up reflecting negatively on the rest of us. Although I don't think much of the OPs attitude or his asinine revelation in a public forum that he is committing an illegal act; the right to bear arms isn't a privilege; it's an inalienable right which applies to idiots as well as those with common sense. Stupid people have rights too. While I agree with the sentiment of your statement, there is one small thing that I disagree with. The right to bear arms concealed in public isn't expressly addressed by the 2A. I don't want to get into an arguement about whether 2A allows for concealed carry or not. What does apply in this situation is that 2A allows us to own firearms. Beyond that, the current federal laws give some of us further privileges that may or may not have been initially implied. If the OP wants to open carry, I have no issue with it. If he wants to have special permissions beyond what the general, unlicensed public has, he needs to abide by the laws that provide for that opportunity. Taking the CCH class and turning in your paperwork isn't immediate approval to carry a concealed weapon. He's not doing any of us any favors by doing so. (Not that this appears to be a new thing for him, based on his thread title.) After reading your reply I'd have to say that you, not I, were correct; since if he can open carry legally without a permit his rights are not infringed. But I will stand by my statement that stupid people have rights too. 
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OP's post, combined with my own experience regarding the other people in my CCH class are actually making me think maybe it should be harder to pass the "exam" in Kansas. I didn't have anything against the other people in my class. They all actually seemed like really cool people. However, out of 10 people, only myself and my buddy had any real experience or training with handguns. 3 or 4 of the others had never even fired a handgun before that day. It just seems to me that maybe a little bit more training with gun handling and defensive shooting practices should be in order. (Yes, they all passed the shooting portion of the test. But honestly the requirements were incredibly lax and our instructor said he'd never seen anyone fail it.) And yes, OP has exactly the kind of attitude that should prevent him from having access to a privilege that can end up reflecting negatively on the rest of us. The problem is that you have to take a class in the first place. No one else has a problem that the state wants to license you to excercise a God-given right? It's not a privilege subject to the whim of our benefactors in government. Feel free to judge those with less training/experience than you but keep in mind that while you don't think they should be able to carry there are people in Washington DC that feel the same way about you. |
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OP's post, combined with my own experience regarding the other people in my CCH class are actually making me think maybe it should be harder to pass the "exam" in Kansas. I didn't have anything against the other people in my class. They all actually seemed like really cool people. However, out of 10 people, only myself and my buddy had any real experience or training with handguns. 3 or 4 of the others had never even fired a handgun before that day. It just seems to me that maybe a little bit more training with gun handling and defensive shooting practices should be in order. (Yes, they all passed the shooting portion of the test. But honestly the requirements were incredibly lax and our instructor said he'd never seen anyone fail it.) And yes, OP has exactly the kind of attitude that should prevent him from having access to a privilege that can end up reflecting negatively on the rest of us. Although I don't think much of the OPs attitude or his asinine revelation in a public forum that he is committing an illegal act; the right to bear arms isn't a privilege; it's an inalienable right which applies to idiots as well as those with common sense. Stupid people have rights too. While I agree with the sentiment of your statement, there is one small thing that I disagree with. The right to bear arms concealed in public isn't expressly addressed by the 2A. I don't want to get into an arguement about whether 2A allows for concealed carry or not. What does apply in this situation is that 2A allows us to own firearms. Beyond that, the current federal laws give some of us further privileges that may or may not have been initially implied. If the OP wants to open carry, I have no issue with it. If he wants to have special permissions beyond what the general, unlicensed public has, he needs to abide by the laws that provide for that opportunity. Taking the CCH class and turning in your paperwork isn't immediate approval to carry a concealed weapon. He's not doing any of us any favors by doing so. (Not that this appears to be a new thing for him, based on his thread title.) After reading your reply I'd have to say that you, not I, were correct; since if he can open carry legally without a permit his rights are not infringed. But I will stand by my statement that stupid people have rights too.
I'll give you that. There's no IQ test required to have access to your rights. 
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OP's post, combined with my own experience regarding the other people in my CCH class are actually making me think maybe it should be harder to pass the "exam" in Kansas. I didn't have anything against the other people in my class. They all actually seemed like really cool people. However, out of 10 people, only myself and my buddy had any real experience or training with handguns. 3 or 4 of the others had never even fired a handgun before that day. It just seems to me that maybe a little bit more training with gun handling and defensive shooting practices should be in order. (Yes, they all passed the shooting portion of the test. But honestly the requirements were incredibly lax and our instructor said he'd never seen anyone fail it.) And yes, OP has exactly the kind of attitude that should prevent him from having access to a privilege that can end up reflecting negatively on the rest of us. Although I don't think much of the OPs attitude or his asinine revelation in a public forum that he is committing an illegal act; the right to bear arms isn't a privilege; it's an inalienable right which applies to idiots as well as those with common sense. Stupid people have rights too. While I agree with the sentiment of your statement, there is one small thing that I disagree with. The right to bear arms concealed in public isn't expressly addressed by the 2A. I don't want to get into an arguement about whether 2A allows for concealed carry or not. What does apply in this situation is that 2A allows us to own firearms. Beyond that, the current federal laws give some of us further privileges that may or may not have been initially implied. If the OP wants to open carry, I have no issue with it. If he wants to have special permissions beyond what the general, unlicensed public has, he needs to abide by the laws that provide for that opportunity. Taking the CCH class and turning in your paperwork isn't immediate approval to carry a concealed weapon. He's not doing any of us any favors by doing so. (Not that this appears to be a new thing for him, based on his thread title.) After reading your reply I'd have to say that you, not I, were correct; since if he can open carry legally without a permit his rights are not infringed. But I will stand by my statement that stupid people have rights too.
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True enough. It does depend on where the OP is at, and I agree a statewide open carry policy would be a hell of a lot better.
My overall point is that, as a gun owner (and one who wants to carry in public, at that) the OP has a certain responsibility to behave in a manner that does not reflect poorly on all of the rest of us. We all carry that responsibility, honestly. The fact of the matter is, god-given right or not, those rights can and have been taken away. Look at most any other country on the planet. Look at civilizations throughout human history. Just because we have a right to something doesn't mean we can take it for granted. Behaving appropriately, training ourselves and others, teaching basic firearm fundamentals, knowing the laws... these are all things we can do to help protect our 2A rights. Don't give people more reason to try to take them away. Since the OP changed his post, my sincere hope is that he took something away from all of this, aside from not just posting without thinking. Sorry, I'm done preaching to the choir now.
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took class waiting on permit How do you know that the class was a waste of time if you slept through it? How do you think it will reflect if you have to shoot someone in self defense and then it turns out that you bragged on the Internet that you slept through your requisite training class? Don't think anyone knows who you are? 
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