Posted: 3/15/2009 5:19:20 PM EDT
| So how can one legally transport through NY state for a vacation in NH or VT? Desire is to carry at destination. Has anyone gone through the hoops (not sure this is possible)? I've really enjoyed NH and VT in the past and now that I have a CCW, NY is a huge road block. Is it easier to go through Canada (legally of course)? |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice  NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You're not allowed to transport firearms at all? Damn. |
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Caution––New York is the only state that prohibits the transportation of handguns without a license. Travelers should therefore be particularly careful since they face severe consequences should they inadvertently violate the state's highly restrictive statutes. Sounds a little dicey to me about the federal preemption thing, and the only mentions in NY law are for people attending exhibitions, hunting or competing in a sanctioned event. Nothing mentioned about carrying for self-defense. If you really want to know, find a good 2nd amendment lawyer in NY and ask him. |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You should try reading something every once and a while before criticizing advice FOPA |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You should try reading something every once and a while before criticizing advice FOPA "Safe Passage", gas and go, cool. |
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If you gun is locked, and locked in a trunk, the odds of anything happening to you at all are miniscule.
If you get stopped, and somehow *searched*, the local constabuilary will likely take you in, and you will have a court case, that you will win, but at a cost of 4,000-6,000 on average. |
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Thanks for all of the advice.
However, when I'm out for a vacation, I'm not out to take on NY state and their draconian laws. I have too much to risk even if I would probably win in court. Sorry VT. Sorry NH. F! NY. Maybe I'll see ya sometime in the distant future. Their loss, I'm one of the good guys and my travel/vacation $$$ will go elsewhere. |
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So how can one legally transport through NY state for a vacation in NH or VT? Desire is to carry at destination. Has anyone gone through the hoops (not sure this is possible)? I've really enjoyed NH and VT in the past and now that I have a CCW, NY is a huge road block. Is it easier to go through Canada (legally of course)? Can you transport a handgun through Canada? Tom |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You're not allowed to transport firearms at all? Damn. You said CCW, so you mean a pistol right? If so, this is not the state to find out the hard way. |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You should try reading something every once and a while before criticizing advice FOPA Your "advice" is going to get him arrested and have to lawyer to MAYBE get off. Don't care what documentation you have found. I suppose he should just say "you can't arrest me" then he will be fine right? |
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Thanks for all of the advice. However, when I'm out for a vacation, I'm not out to take on NY state and their draconian laws. I have too much to risk even if I would probably win in court. Sorry VT. Sorry NH. F! NY. Maybe I'll see ya sometime in the distant future. Their loss, I'm one of the good guys and my travel/vacation $$$ will go elsewhere. Yea it sucks here. I just can't believe all the comment from out of staters telling you to to "just don't get pulled over". |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You should try reading something every once and a while before criticizing advice FOPA Your "advice" is going to get him arrested and have to lawyer to MAYBE get off. Don't care what documentation you have found. I suppose he should just say "you can't arrest me" then he will be fine right? No, like I said, he will be arrested, but he will win his case if he has a competent lawyer, so long as the gun is unloaded, either with a lock on the trigger or through the breech, in a locked case, in a trunk. The experiment would cost him, on average from my understanding, about $4,000-$6,000 in legal fees. How often do the NY Staties search peoples trunks in a normal traffic stop? But he *would* win, Federal law trumps State law regarding interstate transportation. I know this to be true, as I have a friend who went through the experience in Massachusetts, travelling to Maine, shortly after Regan signed that law into effect in '86. |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You should try reading something every once and a while before criticizing advice FOPA Your "advice" is going to get him arrested and have to lawyer to MAYBE get off. Don't care what documentation you have found. I suppose he should just say "you can't arrest me" then he will be fine right? No, like I said, he will be arrested, but he will win his case if he has a competent lawyer, so long as the gun is unloaded, either with a lock on the trigger or through the breech, in a locked case, in a trunk. The experiment would cost him, on average from my understanding, about $4,000-$6,000 in legal fees. How often do the NY Staties search peoples trunks in a normal traffic stop? But he *would* win, Federal law trumps State law regarding interstate transportation. I know this to be true, as I have a friend who went through the experience in Massachusetts, travelling to Maine, shortly after Regan signed that law into effect in '86. Do you think he wants to get arrested just to find out he can get off after ruining his vacation and paying thousands of dollar s
"How often do the NY Staties search peoples trunks in a normal traffic stop?" Don't matter, shit can happen. He might seems nervous to the officer, after all he is hiding a pistol  Officer asks if there is anything in the car.
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Obviously he doesn't. Frankly, why would anybody get nervous, if they aren't violating the law? I would not be, as it isn't a violation of law.
The odds are very much in his favour, that nothing would come of it at all, and I gave the worst case scenario, so he could make an informed decision as to travel with his gun lawfully, or not. |
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Obviously he doesn't. Frankly, why would anybody get nervous, if they aren't violating the law? I would not be, as it isn't a violation of law. The odds are very much in his favour, that nothing would come of it at all, and I gave the worst case scenario, so he could make an informed decision as to travel with his gun lawfully, or not. Odds are he won't get hit by lightning either. It's obvious he's not comfortable doing it, nor would i be. |
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Obviously he doesn't. Frankly, why would anybody get nervous, if they aren't violating the law? I would not be, as it isn't a violation of law. The odds are very much in his favour, that nothing would come of it at all, and I gave the worst case scenario, so he could make an informed decision as to travel with his gun lawfully, or not. Odds are he won't get hit by lightning either. It's obvious he's not comfortable doing it, nor would i be. If you aren't comfortable with potential legal liabilities, why bother to CCW? Seriously - you ever have to shoot someone, in a completely justifiable shoot, you are going to have to face legal consequences - you will be detained and questioned by the police. In your state, you are just as likely to be arrested. Your civil liability is high as well, as you *will* be sued by the person you shot, or their relations. Keep in mind, this is a hypothetical case where every i was dotted, and t was crossed, and there is no question regarding your being in the complete right. Again, Federal law trumps any State law in transporting a legally owned weapon, from one state, through any state, to another state where it is legal to own it, so long as the specific transport requirement stated in the legislation is met. There is *nothing illegal in the action of transporting a lawfully owned weapon across the state of New York, so long as your destination is not in that state, the individual state regulation does not apply*. This isn't theoretical knowledge on my part - I know personally examples of court cases, where improper arrests were made were challeneged, and the states in question lost. Being afraid to lawfully excersise your 2nd ammendment right, is just as bad, if not worse, than having a "right" that is only theoretical - in that case, you are allowing it to be legislated out of existance, by your own fear. |
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Obviously he doesn't. Frankly, why would anybody get nervous, if they aren't violating the law? I would not be, as it isn't a violation of law. The odds are very much in his favour, that nothing would come of it at all, and I gave the worst case scenario, so he could make an informed decision as to travel with his gun lawfully, or not. Odds are he won't get hit by lightning either. It's obvious he's not comfortable doing it, nor would i be. If you aren't comfortable with potential legal liabilities, why bother to CCW? Seriously - you ever have to shoot someone, in a completely justifiable shoot, you are going to have to face legal consequences - you will be detained and questioned by the police. In your state, you are just as likely to be arrested. Your civil liability is high as well, as you *will* be sued by the person you shot, or their relations. Keep in mind, this is a hypothetical case where every i was dotted, and t was crossed, and there is no question regarding your being in the complete right. Again, Federal law trumps any State law in transporting a legally owned weapon, from one state, through any state, to another state where it is legal to own it, so long as the specific transport requirement stated in the legislation is met. There is *nothing illegal in the action of transporting a lawfully owned weapon across the state of New York, so long as your destination is not in that state, the individual state regulation does not apply*. This isn't theoretical knowledge on my part - I know personally examples of court cases, where improper arrests were made were challeneged, and the states in question lost. Being afraid to lawfully excersise your 2nd ammendment right, is just as bad, if not worse, than having a "right" that is only theoretical - in that case, you are allowing it to be legislated out of existance, by your own fear. Yes I was wondering about simply transporting a pistol legally thru NY. Why do I CCW? Silly question. Using a pistol to justifiably defend myself or family is worth whatever the consequences may be. Transporting a pistol thru NY for a vacation is not. Apples and oranges. |
| As has been said before, locked, cased and separated from the ammo, (put the gun in the trunk and the ammo in the back seat) and YOU WILL BE FINE! If you get pulled over for a traffic violation, just don't say anything, THAT IS YOUR RIGHT UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT! NY is not a shall inform state. Even if you do inform, most road patrol LEO's know the federal law, and if not, they have the ability to look it up right then and there. I don't understand why people think that just because our LAWS suck, that it means that all of our LEOS suck too. They don't want to get involved in all the bullshit paperwork over some poor schlub going to VT or NH. If you are polite and courteous and not a stupid moron, they will leave you alone. |
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Only my opinion (I'm currently living in NY and have a CCW here). Before I moved here, I wrote to the NYSP asking about bringing pistols, machine guns, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, etc, etc, etc through the state in regards to FOPA. The response I received was that NYSP does, in fact, respect FOPA and you will be on your way in the event that you a) get pulled over b) the officer finds out about the guns and c) they are stored properly in your vehicle. Having this in writing, along with a copy of FOPA could help you a lot on the side of the road. Also have the number to the NYSP GIU (Gun investigation unit) they will be able to answer any officer's question about your legal status. There is talk of shutting this unit down though so they may not always be there to help. Another option, if you are really scared of NY is to just mail your gun to yourself...sure you'll end up spending ~$80 to overnight it back and forth, but that's a small price to pay if you ask me. |
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As has been said before, locked, cased and separated from the ammo, (put the gun in the trunk and the ammo in the back seat) and YOU WILL BE FINE! If you get pulled over for a traffic violation, just don't say anything, THAT IS YOUR RIGHT UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT! NY is not a shall inform state. Even if you do inform, most road patrol LEO's know the federal law, and if not, they have the ability to look it up right then and there. I don't understand why people think that just because our LAWS suck, that it means that all of our LEOS suck too. They don't want to get involved in all the bullshit paperwork over some poor schlub going to VT or NH. If you are polite and courteous and not a stupid moron, they will leave you alone. Good points. Well taken. |
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Only my opinion (I'm currently living in NY and have a CCW here). Before I moved here, I wrote to the NYSP asking about bringing pistols, machine guns, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, etc, etc, etc through the state in regards to FOPA. The response I received was that NYSP does, in fact, respect FOPA and you will be on your way in the event that you a) get pulled over b) the officer finds out about the guns and c) they are stored properly in your vehicle. Having this in writing, along with a copy of FOPA could help you a lot on the side of the road. Also have the number to the NYSP GIU (Gun investigation unit) they will be able to answer any officer's question about your legal status. There is talk of shutting this unit down though so they may not always be there to help. Another option, if you are really scared of NY is to just mail your gun to yourself...sure you'll end up spending ~$80 to overnight it back and forth, but that's a small price to pay if you ask me. Yes! Two reasonable options (I think). I was hoping to hear from someone who'd had this type of experience and information. Thank you. Regarding the mail: not a bod idea. What do I need to look out for there? UPS, Fedex, or USPS? Specific labeling? |
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Just lock your gun in the trunk with a cable lock or trigger lock with ammo locked up separately. Don't stop for anything but gas. Don't get pulled over you'll be fine There's some great advice NY does not recognize any other state's CCW. It won't matter how you lock it up.
You're not allowed to transport firearms at all? Damn. You said CCW, so you mean a pistol right? If so, this is not the state to find out the hard way. FOPA protects you. stop muttering this nonsense. He's not walking around carrying it. as long as it is locked up in the trunk he'll be fine. The cops are much more Lax upstate than they are in the city or the island. Take your vacation to new england. don't be senseless. Why would the cops be in your trunk to find said firearms anyway? J1 you are one of the NYers that make other states think this bullshit is true. stop spreading NONSENSE. |
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I travel to/in/thru NY all the time with guns... 'Never thought I could wind up in jail for it... Does my BATFE Form 6NIA superceed the NY laws...? 'Last time i went to NY was for an LEO pistol match. 'Surrounded by local, state and federal LE and noone busted me...? |