Posted: 2/24/2009 2:09:33 PM EDT
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It seems that about 25% of the stories I read about OC there is an issue.
When you are with people, i.e. kids, wife/SO do they get pissed? Do you go into it explaining that getting asked to leave might happen? Thanks |
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Quoted: It seems that about 25% of the stories I read about OC there is an issue. That's because nobody writes stories for open carrying without issues, which is likely 99% of the time. (Okay, 100% in my case.) Quoted: When you are with people, i.e. kids, wife/SO do they get pissed? Do you go into it explaining that getting asked to leave might happen? No one with me or around me has gotten pissed. Yes, it's understood that you could be asked to leave (remote possibility IMO), but it hasn't happened to me. |
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Around here apparently (from that 25% of stories I have read) it's an issue at the sporting good stores mostly...Gander Mountain, Bass Pro, and the like. Come to Illinois...... Any carry is an issue..... Shit they don't even want us owning guns in our home anymore.... I can't say I feel your pain guys. |
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Open carry is an interesting topic. OC proponents would like to have you believe that people are gun blind and there's never an issue. I've got a buddy that OC's and several times when I've been with him there's been an issue. A store we've been in has sent a security guard to ask him to leave, the police have been called by some out-of-towner from NYC reporting a "man with a gun" in the store or he's had to take a lot of crap from liberal hippie. I've been standing right there when these things happened. Yet, when asked if there are issues with open carry, he'll be the first to say "I OC every day and I've NEVER had a single problem". When he does this I just laugh and turn away. On the other hand, it's like airline safety. How many stories do you read about planes landing safely? None. But every time they crash you get a front page news story. |
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here in PA Open carry is becoming more and more common. i live on the western side of the state right outside of Pittsburgh. i personally have never been asked to leave an establishment or had the police called for "man with a gun". i have been asked a few times by concerned citizens on why i carry openly and i just hand them an OC/CC pamphlet that details PAs carry rules and tell them to have a good day or depending on my mood i might give them a smart ass response like,"because a police officer is too heavy to carry on my belt".
there are a few that get the police called and there are a few who take the counties to court over civil rights violations if the police detain them without RS. just recently the new MPOETC training manual states the law on OPEN CARRY AS BEING LEGAL. so there has been a drastic decline in PAs "Man with a gun" calls. |
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Technically, in NC open carry is legal except where specifically prohibited. There is a catch though: NC has a common law offence called "going armed to the terror of the people", so if someone reports a "man with a gun" you could get arrested.
I very seldom see people open carrying, at least in town. To me, it's not worth being hassled over. I like keeping a low profile. |
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This is a vague question depending on state, but are some states open carry only or are they usually O.C./C.C. option? Most are OC/CC the best info can be found at www.opencarry.org Thanks, was just wondering why open carry unless it's the only option. |
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I open carry alot and IT IS TRUE that most people will never notice. I have never been bothered or asked to leave anywhere I have been while open carrying including multiple banks.
Most of my friends are law enforcement/ military and they rarely take notice if I am open carrying or not. I have been complemented by 3 officers on seperate occasions for carrying and was told that they wished more people would legally carry as well. |
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How many of you out there that don't OC and only CC have ever taken any classes on drawing from concealment? i use to be a diehard CC until i took some informal training on self defense and drawing from concealment. i found out that in high stess situations i could not present my firearm and ward off an attack. i then looked into Open Carry and found i was able to defend myself quicker and with the firearm openly carried it acts as more of a deterant. onto of that, it is more comfortable to OC than to try to conceal.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a vague question depending on state, but are some states open carry only or are they usually O.C./C.C. option? Most are OC/CC the best info can be found at www.opencarry.org Thanks, was just wondering why open carry unless it's the only option. I don't know about other states, but in VA we're compelled by state law to OC. In VA, if you carry a gun for self defense, it must be carried openly when you enter a restaurant that serves alcohol for on-site consumption. That's pretty much everthing except fast food. This has led to what's referred to as "The Virginia Tuck," as CCers untuck their cover garment as they enter restaurants to expose their handguns. |
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How many of you out there that don't OC and only CC have ever taken any classes on drawing from concealment? i use to be a diehard CC until i took some informal training on self defense and drawing from concealment. i found out that in high stess situations i could not present my firearm and ward off an attack. i then looked into Open Carry and found i was able to defend myself quicker and with the firearm openly carried it acts as more of a deterant. onto of that, it is more comfortable to OC than to try to conceal. hope this helps some I haven't taken any classes but I do practice, live on 6 acres w/ small range set-up. No open carry in Fl. but I wouldn't anyway. I agree w/ you that it's more comfortable, a little quicker and can be a deterant but for me personally there's a downside to that deterant, you're a target. If you're in a place that is going to be robbed or anything involving bad guys, you might not ever know it because you'll be a chaulk outline on the ground. They both have pro's and con's so it's a personal choice depending on what works for you, thanks for your input. |
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How many of you out there that don't OC and only CC have ever taken any classes on drawing from concealment? i use to be a diehard CC until i took some informal training on self defense and drawing from concealment. i found out that in high stess situations i could not present my firearm and ward off an attack. i then looked into Open Carry and found i was able to defend myself quicker and with the firearm openly carried it acts as more of a deterant. onto of that, it is more comfortable to OC than to try to conceal. hope this helps some I haven't taken any classes but I do practice, live on 6 acres w/ small range set-up. No open carry in Fl. but I wouldn't anyway. I agree w/ you that it's more comfortable, a little quicker and can be a deterant but for me personally there's a downside to that deterant, you're a target. If you're in a place that is going to be robbed or anything involving bad guys, you might not ever know it because you'll be a chaulk outline on the ground. They both have pro's and con's so it's a personal choice depending on what works for you, thanks for your input. do you have any proof that this has happened outside of being a security guard/police officer? has there been a situation where someone was open carring and was singled out as target before any felony was attempted? i've searched this topic over and over again and can't find one instance of this happening. i openly carry in some of the roughest neighborhoods in Pittsburgh and have yet to be a target. your average BG does not have the situational awareness running into a bank/grocery store to rob it. he's looking for someone wearing a uniform and utility belt not some average joe wearing a pistol. do you loose the element of supprise? maybe, but my supprise is 8 tenths of a second from draw to first shot on target right now. not enough time for BG to react to average joe. and yes i have tested this in a safe enviroment using an inert firearm. we can go on and on about this. carry however you want. i support evey one who chooses to carry a firearm wether it be CC or OC. |
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How many of you out there that don't OC and only CC have ever taken any classes on drawing from concealment? i use to be a diehard CC until i took some informal training on self defense and drawing from concealment. i found out that in high stess situations i could not present my firearm and ward off an attack. i then looked into Open Carry and found i was able to defend myself quicker and with the firearm openly carried it acts as more of a deterant. onto of that, it is more comfortable to OC than to try to conceal. hope this helps some I haven't taken any classes but I do practice, live on 6 acres w/ small range set-up. No open carry in Fl. but I wouldn't anyway. I agree w/ you that it's more comfortable, a little quicker and can be a deterant but for me personally there's a downside to that deterant, you're a target. If you're in a place that is going to be robbed or anything involving bad guys, you might not ever know it because you'll be a chaulk outline on the ground. They both have pro's and con's so it's a personal choice depending on what works for you, thanks for your input. do you have any proof that this has happened outside of being a security guard/police officer? has there been a situation where someone was open carring and was singled out as target before any felony was attempted? i've searched this topic over and over again and can't find one instance of this happening. i openly carry in some of the roughest neighborhoods in Pittsburgh and have yet to be a target. your average BG does not have the situational awareness running into a bank/grocery store to rob it. he's looking for someone wearing a uniform and utility belt not some average joe wearing a pistol. do you loose the element of supprise? maybe, but my supprise is 8 tenths of a second from draw to first shot on target right now. not enough time for BG to react to average joe. and yes i have tested this in a safe enviroment using an inert firearm. we can go on and on about this. carry however you want. i support evey one who chooses to carry a firearm wether it be CC or OC. I have ZERO proof, there's a first time for everything. I'm a firm believer that to defeat evil / the BG, you must think like him, you must become him. I'm not worried about the average BG, it's the above average BG that I'm worried about. The one that makes the news every 5 years or so. He's not coming through the bank door weapon drawn, he's walking in dressed in a suit maybe, acting like he's filling out a deposit slip casing everyone, the guy standing there w/ a weapon is going to get double tapped and hit the floor w/ his gun still in his holster. I will admit that I might over- think shit but better than under-think it(my wife has learned to go w/ the flow  ). I don't walk around paranoid thinking It's going to happen every 5 minutes but just try to be aware. Like you said we can go on and on but I'm glad that you carry.
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| Yeah... I can see the "open carry = first target" thing. The one thing you can have in a defense situation is the element of surprise. You can almost guarantee that the attacker will be the first to achieve this, but things can turn quickly when the douchebag doesn't know that you're reaching for a firearm instead of a wallet. |
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Yeah... I can see the "open carry = first target" thing. The one thing you can have in a defense situation is the element of surprise. You can almost guarantee that the attacker will be the first to achieve this, but things can turn quickly when the douchebag doesn't know that you're reaching for a firearm instead of a wallet. you guys are free to keep thinking that way, though the logic is flawed. i'll post more tomorrow my head is killing me |
| Many people are scared of people wearing a gun without a badge. I've seen people that OC and have been asked to leave several places. I much prefer people to think i'm just an average joe. Never been asked to leave when I conceal my weapons. I just don't like people knowing i have a weapon also. If you don't know how to draw from concealed, then that's a training issue plain and simple. I train drawing and holstering my weapon daily and it is second nature. I'm just as fast drawing concealed as i am from open carry. (Note: I'm in TX now but i used to live in AZ where open carry is legal) |
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How many of you out there that don't OC and only CC have ever taken any classes on drawing from concealment? i use to be a diehard CC until i took some informal training on self defense and drawing from concealment. i found out that in high stess situations i could not present my firearm and ward off an attack. i then looked into Open Carry and found i was able to defend myself quicker and with the firearm openly carried it acts as more of a deterant. onto of that, it is more comfortable to OC than to try to conceal. hope this helps some I haven't taken any classes but I do practice, live on 6 acres w/ small range set-up. No open carry in Fl. but I wouldn't anyway. I agree w/ you that it's more comfortable, a little quicker and can be a deterant but for me personally there's a downside to that deterant, you're a target. If you're in a place that is going to be robbed or anything involving bad guys, you might not ever know it because you'll be a chaulk outline on the ground. They both have pro's and con's so it's a personal choice depending on what works for you, thanks for your input. do you have any proof that this has happened outside of being a security guard/police officer? has there been a situation where someone was open carring and was singled out as target before any felony was attempted? i've searched this topic over and over again and can't find one instance of this happening. i openly carry in some of the roughest neighborhoods in Pittsburgh and have yet to be a target. your average BG does not have the situational awareness running into a bank/grocery store to rob it. he's looking for someone wearing a uniform and utility belt not some average joe wearing a pistol. do you loose the element of supprise? maybe, but my supprise is 8 tenths of a second from draw to first shot on target right now. not enough time for BG to react to average joe. and yes i have tested this in a safe enviroment using an inert firearm. we can go on and on about this. carry however you want. i support evey one who chooses to carry a firearm wether it be CC or OC. I have ZERO proof, there's a first time for everything. I'm a firm believer that to defeat evil / the BG, you must think like him, you must become him. I'm not worried about the average BG, it's the above average BG that I'm worried about. The one that makes the news every 5 years or so. He's not coming through the bank door weapon drawn, he's walking in dressed in a suit maybe, acting like he's filling out a deposit slip casing everyone, the guy standing there w/ a weapon is going to get double tapped and hit the floor w/ his gun still in his holster. I will admit that I might over- think shit but better than under-think it(my wife has learned to go w/ the flow ). I don't walk around paranoid thinking It's going to happen every 5 minutes but just try to be aware. Like you said we can go on and on but I'm glad that you carry.your above average BG walking into a bank/store casing it over before he makes a move is not going to initiate his plan until the OCer leaves. why risk being shot or adding Murder to robebery when a minute or two more and the threat leaves and now all they have to worry about are sheeple. thats the way the above average criminal thinks. just about all OCers take Situational awareness very seriously. i for one will walk into my bank and stand quatering toward the door and make it a point to know where everyone is and who is doing what. |
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How many of you out there that don't OC and only CC have ever taken any classes on drawing from concealment? i use to be a diehard CC until i took some informal training on self defense and drawing from concealment. i found out that in high stess situations i could not present my firearm and ward off an attack. i then looked into Open Carry and found i was able to defend myself quicker and with the firearm openly carried it acts as more of a deterant. onto of that, it is more comfortable to OC than to try to conceal. hope this helps some I haven't taken any classes but I do practice, live on 6 acres w/ small range set-up. No open carry in Fl. but I wouldn't anyway. I agree w/ you that it's more comfortable, a little quicker and can be a deterant but for me personally there's a downside to that deterant, you're a target. If you're in a place that is going to be robbed or anything involving bad guys, you might not ever know it because you'll be a chaulk outline on the ground. They both have pro's and con's so it's a personal choice depending on what works for you, thanks for your input. do you have any proof that this has happened outside of being a security guard/police officer? has there been a situation where someone was open carring and was singled out as target before any felony was attempted? i've searched this topic over and over again and can't find one instance of this happening. i openly carry in some of the roughest neighborhoods in Pittsburgh and have yet to be a target. your average BG does not have the situational awareness running into a bank/grocery store to rob it. he's looking for someone wearing a uniform and utility belt not some average joe wearing a pistol. do you loose the element of supprise? maybe, but my supprise is 8 tenths of a second from draw to first shot on target right now. not enough time for BG to react to average joe. and yes i have tested this in a safe enviroment using an inert firearm. we can go on and on about this. carry however you want. i support evey one who chooses to carry a firearm wether it be CC or OC. I have ZERO proof, there's a first time for everything. I'm a firm believer that to defeat evil / the BG, you must think like him, you must become him. I'm not worried about the average BG, it's the above average BG that I'm worried about. The one that makes the news every 5 years or so. He's not coming through the bank door weapon drawn, he's walking in dressed in a suit maybe, acting like he's filling out a deposit slip casing everyone, the guy standing there w/ a weapon is going to get double tapped and hit the floor w/ his gun still in his holster. I will admit that I might over- think shit but better than under-think it(my wife has learned to go w/ the flow ). I don't walk around paranoid thinking It's going to happen every 5 minutes but just try to be aware. Like you said we can go on and on but I'm glad that you carry.your above average BG walking into a bank/store casing it over before he makes a move is not going to initiate his plan until the OCer leaves. why risk being shot or adding Murder to robebery when a minute or two more and the threat leaves and now all they have to worry about are sheeple. thats the way the above average criminal thinks. just about all OCers take Situational awareness very seriously. i for one will walk into my bank and stand quatering toward the door and make it a point to know where everyone is and who is doing what. You might want to check murder statistics, it still happens or we wouldn't need to carry. The two guys from the Miami FBI shoot out were above average and they killed anyone deemed a threat on the spot, no free pass. It's your bet, I'm blending in w/ the sheeple. We are of two different mindsets and neither one will change. Good luck and stay safe. |
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Quoted: How many of you out there that don't OC and only CC have ever taken any classes on drawing from concealment? i use to be a diehard CC until i took some informal training on self defense and drawing from concealment. i found out that in high stess situations i could not present my firearm and ward off an attack. i then looked into Open Carry and found i was able to defend myself quicker and with the firearm openly carried it acts as more of a deterant. onto of that, it is more comfortable to OC than to try to conceal. Did you ever bother practicing drawing from concealment wearing the same clothes you normally wear when carrying? I practice at least 3 nights a week for 10 or 15 minutes. I also have an airsoft pistol that's a clone of my carry gun so I can practice drawing and putting the first round on target while at home. The times I've had to draw in a high stress situation the gun has been in my hand without me ever really remembering it happening. You will perform the way you train. |
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It seems that about 25% of the stories I read about OC there is an issue. Thanks If there wasn't an issue it wouldn't make a good story. Hey I have an idea. Let me tell you a story where absolutely nothing interesting happens. You liked that one? Good, I've got a whole lot of stories where nothing interesting happens. |
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It seems that about 25% of the stories I read about OC there is an issue. When you are with people, i.e. kids, wife/SO do they get pissed? Do you go into it explaining that getting asked to leave might happen? Thanks Open carry is illegal in Texas, generally speaking  .
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If Texas would allow open carry, I would be a happy man. I carry tucked every weekday at work and untucked IWB when I'm outside of the workplace.
The single reason I would enjoy open carry is because I wouldn't have to worry about my gun showing. I would probably still carry IWB concealed, but I would at least not have to worry if it did come unconcealed. |
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This is a vague question depending on state, but are some states open carry only or are they usually O.C./C.C. option? Most are OC/CC the best info can be found at www.opencarry.org Thanks, was just wondering why open carry unless it's the only option. WI is OC only, but you could end up with a DC(disorderly conduct), "man with a gun". tectically its legal. WI man not guilty of DC |
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It seems that about 25% of the stories I read about OC there is an issue. When you are with people, i.e. kids, wife/SO do they get pissed? Do you go into it explaining that getting asked to leave might happen? Thanks My fiancee has heard me talk about OC and the "dangers" of it (the ignorance of the police, that is) and the few times I've OCed with her in tow I usually joke "okay, you've got bail money, right?" She's fine with it. |