Posted: 1/30/2008 3:47:07 PM EDT
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This makes a great read. I will attatch a link to the radio traffic of that night. These are great tools to use in helping others understand the need for CCW. LINK 1 REPORT LINK 2 REPORT LINK 3 RADIO TRAFFIC |
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Great post, I have followed this incident from the beginning. There is a lot to learn from it. This incident is what prompted me to start doing two things, carry extra mags and carry my ID on a chain in my left back pocket. It is my understanding that Officer Hammond had a compact 1911 with only the mag in the gun, putting him in a situation that had him outgunned. It is also my understanding that Officer Hammond kept is creds in his wallet which he was not able to access once he had his gun drawn, this led to some initial hesitation and confusion when Sgt. Oblad first encountered Officer Hammond because Hammond was there in plain clothes holding a gun. One thing I found in this document that bothered me........ 
By this point we are way beyond verbal commands, however I commend all officers involved. Their response was swift and forceful. Officer Hammond for sure saved lives by simply taking action and distracting the shooter. |
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Sounds like "Single person Jihad" to me. He told the girl he talked to on the phone he was going to do something , so I think he had it in mind to go out Jihadi style. 117 phone calls between him and the girl in TWO weeks?? That is a lot of talking for two people that never met. Of coarse the popo will say it's not motivated by religion........ 
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It sounds strange but disengage and once you have done that, holster your weapon. Most of the time in the chaos and hundreds of calls dispatch is getting the information will not make it to responding officers that there is a "good guy" with a gun on scene. If responding officers see you in plain clothes wielding a gun I can assure you they will address the threat. Make sense? |
Same thing here. Thank God he was using birdshot or there would have been a lot more victims. |
| There was a video recorder taken from the killer's bedroom early on in the investigation. I don't remember the investigators ever revealing what was on it. It would seem like a good place to look for motive. I haven't read through the links above so maybe they address that issue there. |
| One the things that struck me was Officer Hammond calling out that he was an LEO and for the suspect to drop the weapon. In this type of situation this not necessary and could lead to more people being killed. Notice when the other officers showed up they did not issue verbal commands they just shot. |
I don't believe that he was yelling this at the suspect but rather to the innocent people around him to get down. He also yelled at the first Sgt. that responded that he was OPD. I don't think he ever yelled it at the suspect..... I could be wrong, I am referencing things I have read and an interview with Hammond that I watched..... |
Yes she is a dispatcher, when they realized it was a shooting Hammond sent her back to the restaurant to call 911. You are correct she did relay that information to dispatch however think about how much cluster F is going on. Hundreds of calls to dispatch, tone alerts for active shooter, responding officers running code while typing on MDT, talking on radio, trying to navigate traffic, switching to tac channel on radio, thinking about how they are going to respond, etc etc. That kind of information could easily be missed about Hammond and more so his description, people forget things like what Hammond is wearing while responding. Officers will focus on suspect description etc. My point is I would not rely on responding officers getting good information that I am a good guy involved. That's the only thing that concerns me about another CCW person engaging a shooter. It will create initial confusion for responding officers. |
I wondered about that. I never did find out if it was clear to SLC that there was an off duty LEO there. |
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Thanks for posting. It's an interesting, if horrifying read. I find this portion to be disingenuous: On Sunday, February 11, 2007, Sulejmen Talovic and Ibrahimovic had a conversation that lasted three hours. This was a normal conversation until the very end of the conversation when Talovic told Ibrahimovic that “Tomorrow would be the happiest day of his life, but that it could only happen once.” Ibrahimovic asked him what he meant, but Talovic would not tell her. Talovic told Ibrahimovic that she would find something out about him and that she would be mad at him for it, and that she would never forgive him. Talovic offered no additional explanation. Were Sulejmen Talovic’s actions motivated by religion? There is no evidence that Sulejmen Talovic’s actions were motivated by religious conviction. There might not be airtight proof of a terrorist plot, but any reasonable person can deduce a case of sudden jihad syndrome. Lots of suicidal people decide to take innocent lives with them, but few refer to it as "the happiest day of my life" Only somebody looking forward to his 72 virgins would say that. Also, does anybody really think that the Library would be unable to give records of what sites were visited from their computers? It is strange that it was mentioned at all if no information was available. Surely the libraries computers, or system, or ISP would have a log somewhere.  |