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Posted: 6/20/2003 2:59:17 AM EDT
I have yet to get my CCW. I just dont get the days off to do it. I will normally take my firearm with me but leave it in the car when I go to a store or something, so as not to freak anyone out. I do have a few questions though for the Az residents. When I get my CCW, can I carry in a movie theatre, grocery store, bank, gas station? I am also curious about Wal Mart, I know they used to have signs that told you "no weapons allowed" on the door, but I cant find them anywhere!!!

Thankyou in advance... Robert
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 9:40:02 AM EDT
I'm curious to know as well (also in AZ)...
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 9:58:56 PM EDT
Check packing.org for more info then I could ever give.
You can open carry in AZ without a permit. There are a few places you cannot take the weapon. Such as schools, post office, federal installations (dams, police stations, fire house, DES buildings, jails...there are more, but that's all I can think of at the moment,) indian nations usually prohibbit firearms, casinos, any resturant/bar that sells alcohol -- reguardless if you are drinking it or not (I really HATE that one), Any business that posts in their window both a written statement of no weapons and a symbol (handgun with the circle and the line thru it). Then if you are spotted inside (unlikely) all they can do is ask you to leave.
9 out of 10 people cannot even pick up a open carry holster in plain sight unless you carry some bright nickle Colt python with an 8 inch barrel.
Black pants, black gun, the sheep never even pick it up.
Check country and city laws also, some may have more restrictions on open carry (none that I can think of for Az at the moment).
I like open carry out on hikes and in the wilderness or on the road, but for in the city, it is better to simply cover up which will require the CCW.
Some people say that if a stop-in-rob ges robbed while you're there, you'd be the first person to get a bullet when open carrying. Now, the other side of the coin would indicate that they would rob the place after you left to prevent their own personal safety from being called upon, since most robbers don't want to kill anyone. Besides, they usually wait until after most or all of the customers depart before holding the place up to minimize the amount of people who are there to gather descriptions of them, or if it goes south, kill.
You can take a firearm into a bank if they do not have a sign posted, they are private institutions.
My Walmart does not have a sign, it may be up to the regional manager, or Walmart has changed its policy to compete against K-mart even moreso.
When you move into Advanced CCW, you can find out about different belts and holster styles. I carry a full sized duty handgun and only the very best can pick it up on my strongside OWB (Outer Waist Band) holster. Changing your wardrobe, types of subdued belts and your apearance can blend you right into the sheep. No one would ever expect me as having a gun.
Hope this helps,
-Steve
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 3:35:56 AM EDT
Thankyou very much for the post. I really need to get my ass in gear for the CCW. I just dont like the idea of people getting freaked out because I carry. My neighbor downstairs just ran into me while I was walking up. He was behind me and saw my weapon. He asked why I had it, I said to him, for our protection... He's an old fart like in his 60's, I think he was just suprised that a young guy like me would even carry a gun.
Link Posted: 6/27/2003 12:06:54 PM EDT
In AZ, you may not carry in any county building. This includes libraries.

Also, little known, if you pass through a school zone with a loaded and open carried firearm, you are violating the Federal Gun Free Schools Act. A CCW is an exception to this rule. Enforcement is another issue, as I doubt a local cop can enforce it, but a US Marshal or FBI agent could. I knew this law was struck down in the past, but it was revised and put in place again. This is info I received in January.

As far as discretion and concealment....don't take this as any sort of advise, but if you have it well hidden and don't readjust the package, no one will ever know where or when you have your piece. That is how it should be. Blend. Low profile.

I carried a 5 shot .38 in a belly band under a t-shirt and short pants for over 12 years in a less gun friendly state. Even my wife could not tell I was packing....iron. You will find that if you are living right, you will go out of your way to stay out of trouble and confrontations. If in a life threatening, deadly force incident when your choice is either death or serious bodily injury, just weigh that against the 'misconduct with a firearm' charge. That is the statute usually used if you are seen packing where you shouldn't. It applies whether carried open or concealed.

As far as open vs. concealed. If you can CCW, why let anyone know you are armed by carrying open? Take the classes. Some break the 16 hours into 4 classes, 4 days. Some 8 hrs, 2 days. You can even obtain private instruction on your own schedule for a slightly higher fee, which may be worth it.
Link Posted: 6/28/2003 12:04:05 AM EDT
Thankyou for your post Wildearp....
Link Posted: 7/9/2003 5:28:44 PM EDT
Yet another reason to take the CCW class. All your questions will be answered and some you didnt even think of! Depending on where in AZ you live I might have a suggestion on where to take the class!

Link Posted: 7/22/2003 3:41:07 PM EDT
If you live in the Phoenix area, Machinegun Kelly's has a instructor that gives CCW class on two consequetive Sundays. My wife and I took that class because her days off are Sundays and Mondays. I have heard also of a class that is done on one day, 16 hours straight, but I don't recall who does it.
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