[ARCHIVED THREAD] - University Carry... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/11/2006 5:32:25 PM EDT
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I have looked into this VERY carefully, and in my state, in the city I attend a University in, there are no LEGAL issues here, so I feel we are safe to discuss this. Although it is completely LEGAL for me to carry at school, of course, in our state at least (Kentucky) I can still be disciplined if caught even though the school doesn't have signs posted, just because it is part of their policy. My question is, does anyone know of anyone who has ever been caught at a University and what happened to them, how they were caught, etc? At my university, it is very hard to get kicked out (probably due to the fact you are a 5000 check every semester to them), kids have been caught setting things on fire before and not been expelled. Just wondering if anyone has any experience / suggestions with this. I absolutely must carry, there is little secuirity on campus, it is in a half bad area, and the security that is there are un-armed mall cops. Also, I can't find a holster that will completely hide my sw9ve, so I usually print a little, especially in summer clothes. Mostly I think just I notice, as no one, not even spouse or family, has ever said anything about me printing... Brandon J. |
| I am in the same situation as you. I attend a university where firearms on campus is against school policy, but the state only prohibits firearms in the dorms and classrooms. Therefore computer labs, the library, etc are legal (according to the state). The area is kinda dangerous, as its been proven that the local thugs target students, especially leaving school buildings late at night. My advice to you is shut up and carry, especially at night. During the day I wouldn't worry as much. I try to avoid being on campus as much as possible at night, but sometimes its a necessity. I haven't heard of any incidents regarding students with CHLs, but I highly doubt they would expel/suspend a student for protecting themselves - since that is the only time they would know you carried. Especially since like you said, you are a paycheck. |
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Yes, my state not only defines schools as k-12, but specifically excempts post grade 12 from its restrictions. I attend school full time at night because I work full time during day. I would go the pepper spray route, but damn, I have been sprayed, and it is going to debilitate 90% of people enough for you to escape, but 10% is a lot for it to not stop. Especially if the person is on drugs or something, the spray wouldn't do shit. Bottom line is, I don't want my last thoughts on this earth, just before I black out, to be "I wish I had been carrying today....". Brandon J. |
It is 100% legal in The Great Commonwealth of KY where both BrandonJ reside. Brandon, You might want to condisder a smaller gun than your Sigma for CCDW on campus. A full size pistol in a belt holster can be difficult to conceal comfortably when setting at a school desk for long periods of time(ask me how I know.)  I would check out something small enough for front pocket carry. Kahr PM9, steel 5 shot .38, or Kel-Tec P-32/P3AT would be some options. |
Personally, I would definitely carry whereever I could legally. Just keep it concealed and don't worry about school policy. I'd rather be reprimanded than dead. |
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I don't carry and have been visiting this thread for info and out of curiosity, so I have no advice. But I do have a question. If your state says it's legal to carry at college, but your college has a policy against it, and you are caught carrying, will the state punish you as well? I'm sure the college will at least consider punishment, but I'm wondering if there is something in the carry law that says you have to abide by Private Entities' no-carry policy, and if you don't, might the state take action such as take away your carry license? |
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Nope, under no legal obligation at all to follow anyone's policies, but am at risk of being punished by that institution. The only way I can be charged with a crime, per the sheriff I asked this same question too, is if some were to discover I had the weapon and asked me to leave and instead of leaving I stayed and argued or whatever, then I could be charged with trespassing, but that holds true if they asked you to leave for any reason. I have two options right now on small BUGs, a semi-reliable 5 shot DI .380 auto (has feed problems I just can't fix, all ammo), and a reliable (but currently in pieces, I'm rebluing) Charter Arms Undercover 38 spl wheel gun. I HATE not having a REAL gun on me. But I suppose if I were to get kicked out of college, no law school, no degree, less money later in life for better guns.... .... So brings me to another question, any suggestions on how to keep a gun in the truck? Should I mount a small steel case behind the seat? Brandon J. |
I would suggest the wheel gun when you get it put back together. The semi if it is not reliable do not carry it. Until then carry your Sigma in the backpack and don't let it out of your sight. Their are small metal gun cases that you can use a cable to lock it on your seat frame that works well. In the trunk, you can use a standard sentry lock box and just lock the trunk. You can also cable this to a spot in the trunk if you can't diable the auto trunk release. My car I have the ability to place the trunk lock in a position so only the key can open it and not the trunk lock. You can always go to another school and have the transcript transfered over if it came to that. Carry in good health! 
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Thanks for the great suggestions! I know if anyone ever caught wind of me carrying there and reported it that the police would be called and I would be arrested and all of that crap until everything got 'sorted out'. Hadn't thought of using one of those string locks (that come with every gun you buy and then you throw it in the back of your closet....) to attach a metal case to a seat or something. Cars are NEVER stolen around here, that you here of at least, only broken in to by petty criminals. I couldn't see anyone wanting to haul off with my S-10 any way :) But I have been broken in to twice... Yes, a dependable stopper in the the backpack is probably better than an unreliable one on my waist. Definitely won't be carryng both, having 2 guns on you on campus would definitely 'look bad' (which seems to be the standard when gun owners are prosecuted/harassed). Brandon J. |
| Carry what's reliable. Whatever you pick, keep it concealed and you shouldn't have a problem. If you ever got kicked out, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I had a friend kicked out of college for a bullshit reason and he didn't have trouble getting into another one. |
Buy a smaller gun and carry it then. I'd recomend a S&W 442/642 or one of the Kel Tecs. You can pocket carry with no holster and not worry about printing or it becoming exposed somehow. If you were to carry on campus, there would be no alarms or giant neon signs above your head or anything like that telling everyone you are carrying.  ETA: My buddy was robbed at knife point on his college campus, and told it was his wallet or his life. Its a good thing the law and campus policies were there to protect him from things like that. 
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| I carried the whole time I was in college in KY. I cooler weather when I wore jackets or heavy shirts I carried a GLOCK 19 IWB. In hot weather it was a P-32 in a pocket holster because it was the only smaller gun I had at the time. Today it would be a Kahr PM9 in a pocket holster. |
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I thought you said truck, not trunk. ? Anyway: A lockbox behind the seat, or under it, bolted through the floor works very well. It usually takes two people to hold the bolt and tighten it, but that's part of the idea. Also throw a couple of old looking oily looking rags or some hot dog wrappers on and around the box. Most crooks won't want to dig through your old McD or hot dog wrappers under or behind your seat. The cap on my truck was broken into twice. I made a drawing of my hand holding a 357 pointing at the reader, (I'm not much of an artist so I needed a model) & put the small drawing in the corner of the window with the words "thieves' door prize". My truck has not been broken into since. I also have one on the front and back door of my house. 
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If I carried in UGA, this would have happened (and a lot worse): ATF captures Ninja in Athens More power to you guys and girls who can legally pack in the campus 
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Gotta remebmer that the laws in our state aren't necessarily the same in all states. States are the ones who limit where you can carry. Some states allow carrying on campus by CCW holders. |
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+1. Something that might get you a semester suspension in Kentucky could get you 3-5 upstate in Cali. I think the bottom line consensus here is if possible, go smaller, no one will ever know, leave the big gun locked uptight in the truck, no problem. I think the climate here in Kentucky is friendly enough that if I were every FORCED to use my weapon, I wouldn't be in too deep of shit. Then again, if I were forced, then my life would be in danger, so who cares what the possible university punishments would be.. Thanks for all of the great input.. Brandon J. |
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Forget about the gun safe...use one of these: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/adfinder23/brief_safe.jpg Good thing is, you can make one yourself. |
First, there is nothign that requires you to absolutely carry. I would suggest that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of students make it through their entire collegiate experience where you without too much trouble without carrying. If you feel that way, you need to go someplace else, IMO. "Never go anywhere with a gun that you wouldn't go without a gun" is some pretty good advice. Now, to get off the soapbox, each jurisdiction is different, but AFAIK usually the college president can authorize possession/carry on campus. You might try that. I would certainly suggest that, at the least, you find out what the potential penalty is. Here you will be suspended from school and charges will be filed against you. Other universities I'm aware of are much more accepting, allowing CCW holders to carry and so on.
Again, check on the potential penalty. It might also mean no legal carry for you later on, no legal possession of firearms, etc. This really is one of those areas where there is a lot of variation and a lot of unusual issues thta can pop up. |
Once again, it is 100% legal to carry on ANY and ALL post secondary educational institutions in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Colleges and universities have absolutely no legal grounds to prevent a CCDW holder from carrying a deadly weapon on campus. Kentucky also has laws preventing any city, town, or county from enacting any gun laws. |
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You do bring up a good point I had forgot about, the schools policy does allow an acception by obtaining written permission from the schools president. I have been unable to find any evidence this has ever been granted, aside from the ROTC being allowed to store target match rifles on campus. The policy also states that there is an off-campus storage locker facility for those who carry to drop off their weapons 'at a nominal fee' and pick them back up after leaving school. Not acceptable. One thing I have going for me, is that none of the building have the 'no weapons' sign posted, which both houses of congress have passed versions of a bill that would require establishments to post this if they are to enforce a ban, but it has yet to be finalized in a joint session. The bill, btw, would also prohibit any est. at all period from restricting weapons in vehicles. I never tried to obtain permission because I did not want to stand out, but this might be something I could look into for informational purposes, and post results here... Brandon J. |
Thats what I was thinking. Milt Sparks Crossbreed Threat Solutions A sturdy belt, and a holster from one of the above craftsmen, and you will be fine, provided you don't wear tucked in UnderArmor t shirts everywhere. If you aren't breaking a law, then carry. If its against school policy, but not against the law, ask yourself if you would rather be expelled or dead. |
| I attend college in MN. MN state law explicitly states that it does not prohibit legal posession of firearms on colleges or universities, but allows those institutions to levy acidemic sanctions if the posession is against school policy. I'm just shy of 21 so I can't CCW yet but will once I receive my permit. My life is worth more than a slap on the wrist. Our school is located in a small town in one of the most crime ridden counties in the state. I always have a folder and a Cammilus boot knife on me (yes it is legal) amd firearms in the vehicle. |
I'd like to clarify that understanding. The law says that only MNSCU colleges can restrict carry on campus property. If you can afford to go to an expensive private school you're allowed to carry. Which school do you go to? |
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After looking at various sources I'm reasonably certain that I am LEGALLY allowed to carry my gun on campus with my carry permit, in the state of Indiana. After looking at university regulations they state "2. Misconduct Subject to Disciplinary Penalties. The following actions constitute misconduct for which students may be subject to administrative action or disciplinary penalties. n. The possession, use, or distribution of any explosives, guns, or deadly or dangerous weapons reasonably calculated to cause bodily injury on University property or in connection with a Univer- sity activity unless specifically author- ized by the university." I know they make exceptions for ROTC and the rifle and pistol club which have a range on campus, I belong to both. But we are limited to .22LR at the range and we can keep personal weapons in their safes but only have acces to them monday night, and Wed. and Thur. during the day. My question is does anybody have any experience gettin an exception to a rule like this? I plan on talking to the rifle and pistol club and how they went about it. I would like to try to get something worked out with the police department to where maybe they could say were "qualified" to carry on campus. Any suggestions? |
According to packing.org that's how it is in PA. My campus has a no-firearms rule obviously--if I were to ever consider taking one, it would stay in my car VERY hidden. |
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Quick slight hijack: A funny story along these lines: A friend related to me a story about a man that goes to his church who carried in his backpack in college. (I know the guy is ex-military; I think he was already out of the Army when he went to college) Anyway, one day before a class was beginning, he was pulling out a book and the gun flipped out of the backpack. He caught it before it hit the floor and flipped it right back in. The guy sitting beside him had noticed and was looking at him wide eyed. "What was that?" "What did it look like?" "It looked like a gun." "Hmmm, yeah, it did kinda look like a gun, didn't it?" He then turned his attention to the professor and didn't say another word. Back on topic: The over the shoulder bags are pretty popular at colleges these days, perhaps more so than backpacks. If you kept a gun in one of those, it could provide pretty quick access. Of course, you'd have to keep it with you really well. |
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1st thing. put that idiot darm442 on your ignore list. You'll be a lot better off for it. Next - I carried a 5" 1911 IWB and in a Galco Escort all through my undergrad and graduate school days. No one ever knew a thing. On occasions when I had to carry something small, it was (and still is) a 642 in the pocket. |
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The federal gun free school zones act explicitely excludes people who are licensed by their state to carry, if the state does background checks before licensing. It's only valid in the state that licensed you and you have to reside in that state. So, no federal law, no state law, you're only looking at school discipline. Don't get caught.
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LOL. The signs on the few doors that do have warnings (and I mean very few) explicitly say "no weapons blah blah 'this includes those licensed under KRS 104.2 blah blah' whatever. Still unable to find a single case where someone has got caught and been punished, or a single person who has had that happen to them. Figured if someone did carry at school they would be gun nuts, and if they were gun nuts, they would be posting here, and if they were posting here, they would see my post and say something.... Brandon J. |
Yeah, there are more than a fair share of meth labs in this part. Cass Lake is only 13 miles away and has had 4 homicides in the last 3 months- for a small town of only a few thousand. You get out of town 15 min and you are on your own, no way a cop or good samaritan would be able to lend a hand. |
Exactly! I carried like a MO FO in college. And the stadium is on campus, so any bowl games or other events that I go to require me to carry corncealed! People have shot up colleges and taken hostages and such. |