[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Draw time? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/2/2012 3:12:02 PM EDT
What is a good draw time? I'm going to get a shot timer and start practicing more on speed and curious what's considered to be a good time. I have only used my weapon once in self defense and was surprised how smooth and fast I did it. But that was against a charging dog  .
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From concealment and cold, 1.5 sec to draw and put a round in high center mass consistently is top quartile. Sub 1 second is achievable with considerable practice after good coaching. Speed comes from economy of motion and 3000+ reps to put it in muscle memory. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Don't sacrifice the hits for speed.
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What gun, what holster, what concealment, what distance and what accuracy standard?
All these must be answered before draw times mean anything. As an example, I'm a 50 year old IDPA Master who practices about once a week. From a IWB with an untucked shirt, I can reliably shoot 7 yard 8" circles in 1.60-1.70 seconds. I can push faster but not guarantee every hit. My 3X5 card hits at 7 yards run around 2:10-2:20 sec although I was getting into 1.90s the last practice. Younger folks with better eyes and reflexes can do better. Guys with race holsters, no concealment and optics do sub one second regularly. I tell my students that sub 2 seconds on a 8" circle at 7 yards is good. With good fundamentals, getting to 2 seconds is not hard. Getting to 1.60 and below is lots of dryfire and dedication. Also, if you can't hit an 8" circle at 7 yards with your draw, you are just stroking your ego. It's not how fast you make smoke and noise, it's how fast you put accurate hits on the target. Gringop |
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What gun, what holster, what concealment, what distance and what accuracy standard? HK full size USP. MTAC. IWB. Since most self defense shooting happen within 10 yards. First round hit on 6" circle will be what I'm aiming for All these must be answered before draw times mean anything. As an example, I'm a 50 year old IDPA Master who practices about once a week. From a IWB with an untucked shirt, I can reliably shoot 7 yard 8" circles in 1.60-1.70 seconds. I can push faster but not guarantee every hit. My 3X5 card hits at 7 yards run around 2:10-2:20 sec although I was getting into 1.90s the last practice. Younger folks with better eyes and reflexes can do better. Guys with race holsters, no concealment and optics do sub one second regularly. I tell my students that sub 2 seconds on a 8" circle at 7 yards is good. With good fundamentals, getting to 2 seconds is not hard. Getting to 1.60 and below is lots of dryfire and dedication. Also, if you can't hit an 8" circle at 7 yards with your draw, you are just stroking your ego. It's not how fast you make smoke and noise, it's how fast you put accurate hits on the target. Gringop |
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from concealment i strive for sub 2 sec for center mass at less than 10 yards. If not concealed then aybe 1.5 sec +/- a tenth of a sec.
But under stress just get the gun and sights up on target and dotn worry about the time, if you've trained muscle memory will take care of itself. |
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from concealment i strive for sub 2 sec for center mass at less than 10 yards. If not concealed then aybe 1.5 sec +/- a tenth of a sec. But under stress just get the gun and sights up on target and dotn worry about the time, if you've trained muscle memory will take care of itself. My muscle memory took over incredably well when I had to shoot the dog. And I almost never practiced drawing from concelment before that. I'm not sure on the time I took but he charged from ~30yds and fell around 5 yds from me. |
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You need to look at it as, how fast can you draw and fire hitting your target. Whatever your time is to start, you just need to practice to get faster, but also Remain just as accurate. Just being fast and missing does not help your cause. Good info. Thanks |
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from concealment i strive for sub 2 sec for center mass at less than 10 yards. If not concealed then aybe 1.5 sec +/- a tenth of a sec. But under stress just get the gun and sights up on target and dotn worry about the time, if you've trained muscle memory will take care of itself. That's about right for me, but I plan on 3 to 3.5 seconds including reaction time if I'm not standing there waiting for a timer to beep. |
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from concealment i strive for sub 2 sec for center mass at less than 10 yards. If not concealed then aybe 1.5 sec +/- a tenth of a sec. But under stress just get the gun and sights up on target and dotn worry about the time, if you've trained muscle memory will take care of itself. That's about right for me, but I plan on 3 to 3.5 seconds including reaction time if I'm not standing there waiting for a timer to beep. Good point. I guess I could set the shot timer to go off at random and just walk around. Try to imitate an everyday sitituation. Not sit there facing the target waiting. |
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from concealment i strive for sub 2 sec for center mass at less than 10 yards. If not concealed then aybe 1.5 sec +/- a tenth of a sec. But under stress just get the gun and sights up on target and dotn worry about the time, if you've trained muscle memory will take care of itself. That's about right for me, but I plan on 3 to 3.5 seconds including reaction time if I'm not standing there waiting for a timer to beep. Good point. I guess I could set the shot timer to go off at random and just walk around. Try to imitate an everyday sitituation. Not sit there facing the target waiting. I've heard of instructors simulate this at training classes by telling a story, or hand the students a clipboard and tell them to fill something out before yelling "threat". |
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gringop - I know this isn't popular at the competitions, but for everyday deep concealment.... Is this fast enough ????
http://jjracaza.com/videos/the-official-five-o-holster-demo/ 
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.5 of a second. 1 second to draw and fire first round hit. A 1 second draw from real concealment to hit a reasonably sized target is ridiculously fast. It's not a bad goal to have, but the number of people who can pull that off is exceptionally tiny. Those who can should probably be competing in the various handgun games because they'll win a lot. To hit an 8" circle from 7 yards I want to be under 1.5 seconds from real concealment. (Meaning how I carry the gun every day) Faster is always better but once you get past that point going a little bit faster takes a hell of a lot more effort. If you are looking to improve your draw speed a good starting point is to go to a range where you can set up the video camera and film yourself doing some draws. Watch what you're doing and identify what you can be doing better...like when you draw, do you only have one hand in motion at a time? I watched video of myself doing draws from an AIWB holster and I noticed that I was clearing the covering garment and THEN establishing my master grip with a delay in between because my right hand wasn't moving when my left was. By correcting that I sped up considerably. "Duh!" moments like that are the great benefit of video. |
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Practice Practice Train Train.
Find a range that will let you draw and shoot remember finger off trigger while drawing. Start slow getting good fundamentals down and technique. Once you have it down begin to speed up and find where your limit is but do not worry about time it will decrease as you develop your draw. I can comfortably say it takes me more than a second to recognize the threat, process should I draw, draw, aim, and fire. Recognizing a threat and beginning to take action takes the human brain minimum .25 seconds alone that has been scientifically proven. (Proven in a martial arts sense but it should translate across the board for anything). |
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.5 of a second. 1 second to draw and fire first round hit. A 1 second draw from real concealment to hit a reasonably sized target is ridiculously fast. It's not a bad goal to have, but the number of people who can pull that off is exceptionally tiny. Those who can should probably be competing in the various handgun games because they'll win a lot. To hit an 8" circle from 7 yards I want to be under 1.5 seconds from real concealment. (Meaning how I carry the gun every day) Faster is always better but once you get past that point going a little bit faster takes a hell of a lot more effort. If you are looking to improve your draw speed a good starting point is to go to a range where you can set up the video camera and film yourself doing some draws. Watch what you're doing and identify what you can be doing better...like when you draw, do you only have one hand in motion at a time? I watched video of myself doing draws from an AIWB holster and I noticed that I was clearing the covering garment and THEN establishing my master grip with a delay in between because my right hand wasn't moving when my left was. By correcting that I sped up considerably. "Duh!" moments like that are the great benefit of video. Good idea on recording myself. My range is in my back yard so there's a nice plus for my practice. |
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.5 of a second. 1 second to draw and fire first round hit. A 1 second draw from real concealment to hit a reasonably sized target is ridiculously fast. It's not a bad goal to have, but the number of people who can pull that off is exceptionally tiny. Those who can should probably be competing in the various handgun games because they'll win a lot. To hit an 8" circle from 7 yards I want to be under 1.5 seconds from real concealment. (Meaning how I carry the gun every day) Faster is always better but once you get past that point going a little bit faster takes a hell of a lot more effort. If you are looking to improve your draw speed a good starting point is to go to a range where you can set up the video camera and film yourself doing some draws. Watch what you're doing and identify what you can be doing better...like when you draw, do you only have one hand in motion at a time? I watched video of myself doing draws from an AIWB holster and I noticed that I was clearing the covering garment and THEN establishing my master grip with a delay in between because my right hand wasn't moving when my left was. By correcting that I sped up considerably. "Duh!" moments like that are the great benefit of video. I was starting to think my times were being measured with a sundial compared to some. IIRC from my last time out: 7 yards, drawing from concealment (an untucked t-shirt), squared up with an IDPA cardboard - averaged about 1.8 seconds to first shot with about .18 -.20 second splits between shots. When I added another cover garment, in this case a lightweight button down shirt, it added just about three quarters of a second having to fan out that shirt, then lift the t-shirt to get a proper draw grip. But, all this was me knowing full well that a guy was standing behind me with a timer, what my target was, etc. Those times would increase considerably if I were to have to react to a threat, turn to locate it, discriminate target(s), etc, etc. |
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I just got a PC par timer for dry fire practice at home. Drawing from under a T-shirt from an IWB to a sharp front sight and a clean trigger pull I am at 2 seconds. If I don't try to get a sharp front sight I can pull off a 1.6. It seems to take forever to get that front sight in focus. |
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Practice to be accurate. The speed will come on it's own. I recently got my CHL and haven't practiced drawing from a holster since I was a cop in the '80s. I do shoot falling plate matches. We start with the pistol in our hands, muzzle touching the bench, so these times don't really correspond to drawing to fire. We are shooting at 8" plates on a rack at 25 yards. I average around 4.5 to 5 seconds to hit all 6 plates. When I started about 10 years ago my times were around 6.5 to 7 seconds. I just practiced hitting. The speed came gradually in it's own sweet time. I have to remind our newer shooters that they can't miss fast enough to win. It's the same way in self defense shooting- you can't miss fast enough to stop the threat. Smooth is fast. You won't be in an old west shootout. They didn't even have those much in the old west. You hopefully will have time to decide that you will have to draw and shoot. If you rush you may snag your weapon in your shirt or even drop it. Smooth is accurate and accurate is fast. Hopefully your target will be rushing. Rushing a shot can also cause some people to milk the grip causing a low-left hit in a right-handed shooter. If your target does that the shot will be on your low-right. If I have to move I usually lean to my left to open the distance and hope he doesn't practice. |
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gringop - I know this isn't popular at the competitions, but for everyday deep concealment.... Is this fast enough ???? http://jjracaza.com/videos/the-official-five-o-holster-demo/ Sorry.... the yoututbe embeding feature here doesn't seem to be working. Just copy and paste... I think JJ would be fast drawing from a gunny sack or a diaper. But just viewing that video I can see that that particular holster is a no go for one handed work. He presses up the muzzle of the gun with his off hand every time. I'll take a little drop in speed to be able to draw and reholster with the strong hand only. Gringop |
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gringop - I know this isn't popular at the competitions, but for everyday deep concealment.... Is this fast enough ???? http://jjracaza.com/videos/the-official-five-o-holster-demo/ Sorry.... the yoututbe embeding feature here doesn't seem to be working. Just copy and paste... I think JJ would be fast drawing from a gunny sack or a diaper. But just viewing that video I can see that that particular holster is a no go for one handed work. He presses up the muzzle of the gun with his off hand every time. I'll take a little drop in speed to be able to draw and reholster with the strong hand only. Gringop I agree with all your points. He did have a video where he was talking on the phone and drew lightning fast with one hand using that same holster. One handed draws with these deep concealment apendix holsters are easier than most folks think. |
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Another example from a pro. Sevigny shooting the FAST drill for record time.
His first shots are to the 3x5 card; 1.36 seconds from concealment vest.
If I don't herp the rip on the concealment garment and derp the initial grip, I'm pretty consistent in the 1.5 second range. Move the target past 7 yards or make it smaller than a paper plate and that time suffers. |
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I was starting to think my times were being measured with a sundial compared to some. Ya. The number of people who can consistently pull off a sub 1 second draw from real concealment on a realistic target is insanely small...I'm talking Sevigny levels of skill, here. IIRC from my last time out: 7 yards, drawing from concealment (an untucked t-shirt), squared up with an IDPA cardboard - averaged about 1.8 seconds to first shot with about .18 -.20 second splits between shots. When I added another cover garment, in this case a lightweight button down shirt, it added just about three quarters of a second having to fan out that shirt, then lift the t-shirt to get a proper draw grip. You can probably cut that down quite a bit by defining inefficiencies in the way you're drawing using video. It also doesn't hurt to buy clothes that help with the draw. When I buy shirts I've found a way of figuring out what's long enough to keep the pistol hidden if I raise my arms but short enough that it makes for a reasonably fast draw. You get a feel for it after a while. A good standard for folks who want to get really good out of the holster is to be able to draw and put 2 rounds into a 3x5 card at 7 yards in 2 seconds or less. If you get to the point where you can do that consistently you're a 1%er in the world of handguns. Quoted:
Practice to be accurate. The speed will come on it's own. Unfortunately, it won't. Speed comes from being efficient and from learning how to go faster. Some increase in speed will happen if you practice something over and over again, but there's a point at which the only way to go faster is to actually go faster. Speed isn't really speed if you're not hitting...but you aren't really training for speed if you're never missing. Learning how to do things efficiently helps build speed...removing wasted movement, using more efficient techniques, and on some level just moving faster. One of the most difficult things I had to learn about improving my speed was to move my hands faster. |
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I was starting to think my times were being measured with a sundial compared to some. Ya. The number of people who can consistently pull off a sub 1 second draw from real concealment on a realistic target is insanely small...I'm talking Sevigny levels of skill, here. IIRC from my last time out: 7 yards, drawing from concealment (an untucked t-shirt), squared up with an IDPA cardboard - averaged about 1.8 seconds to first shot with about .18 -.20 second splits between shots. When I added another cover garment, in this case a lightweight button down shirt, it added just about three quarters of a second having to fan out that shirt, then lift the t-shirt to get a proper draw grip. You can probably cut that down quite a bit by defining inefficiencies in the way you're drawing using video. It also doesn't hurt to buy clothes that help with the draw. When I buy shirts I've found a way of figuring out what's long enough to keep the pistol hidden if I raise my arms but short enough that it makes for a reasonably fast draw. You get a feel for it after a while. A good standard for folks who want to get really good out of the holster is to be able to draw and put 2 rounds into a 3x5 card at 7 yards in 2 seconds or less. If you get to the point where you can do that consistently you're a 1%er in the world of handguns. Quoted:
Practice to be accurate. The speed will come on it's own. Unfortunately, it won't. Speed comes from being efficient and from learning how to go faster. Some increase in speed will happen if you practice something over and over again, but there's a point at which the only way to go faster is to actually go faster. Speed isn't really speed if you're not hitting...but you aren't really training for speed if you're never missing. Learning how to do things efficiently helps build speed...removing wasted movement, using more efficient techniques, and on some level just moving faster. One of the most difficult things I had to learn about improving my speed was to move my hands faster. John, with appendix carry, ever have issues with the rip on your garment? Staging myself with a good handful of shirt or sweater makes for at least another 1-2/10ths and pretty much ensures a smooth draw. Starting from surrender or just hands at sides seems to be hit or miss for me. Sometimes smooth and event free, other times may snatch the belt, a loop or just not get enough garment to make a clearing for a good grip. |
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From concealment and cold, 1.5 sec to draw and put a round in high center mass consistently is top quartile. Sub 1 second is achievable with considerable practice after good coaching. Speed comes from economy of motion and 3000+ reps to put it in muscle memory. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Don't sacrifice the hits for speed. Have fun! Yep. Only shoot as fast as you can make hits. Practice makes your presentation smooth. The smoother your presentation, the quicker on the draw you will become. Trying to be fast without being smooth will not work out for you. 1.5 second is attainable with a good holster/belt and good instruction/coaching. Sub 1 sec. is damn near impossible with a CCW. Sure I see guys do it on Youtube, but not with what would be considered "real world" holsters/concealment garments. I know I'll get flamed by some interwebz pistolero, but that's reality. |
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gringop - I know this isn't popular at the competitions, but for everyday deep concealment.... Is this fast enough ???? http://jjracaza.com/videos/the-official-five-o-holster-demo/ Sorry.... the yoututbe embeding feature here doesn't seem to be working. Just copy and paste... I think JJ would be fast drawing from a gunny sack or a diaper. But just viewing that video I can see that that particular holster is a no go for one handed work. He presses up the muzzle of the gun with his off hand every time. I'll take a little drop in speed to be able to draw and reholster with the strong hand only. Gringop This. |
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Another example from a pro. Sevigny shooting the FAST drill for record time. His first shots are to the 3x5 card; 1.36 seconds from concealment vest.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU3jceN4JAc
If I don't herp the rip on the concealment garment and derp the initial grip, I'm pretty consistent in the 1.5 second range. Move the target past 7 yards or make it smaller than a paper plate and that time suffers. And that holster is hardly what most folks consider a "real world" EDC CCW rig. Dave is the shit, but that's a gaming rig, IMHO. 1.5 sec is an attainable speed for most folks. |
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gringop - I know this isn't popular at the competitions, but for everyday deep concealment.... Is this fast enough ???? http://jjracaza.com/videos/the-official-five-o-holster-demo/ Sorry.... the yoututbe embeding feature here doesn't seem to be working. Just copy and paste... I think JJ would be fast drawing from a gunny sack or a diaper. But just viewing that video I can see that that particular holster is a no go for one handed work. He presses up the muzzle of the gun with his off hand every time. I'll take a little drop in speed to be able to draw and reholster with the strong hand only. Gringop This. If you've never used one of these deep concealment holsters, you wouldn't know that you most definitely CAN draw one handed. And it isn't super slow either. Edit: Found the video... http://jjracaza.com/videos/five-o-concealment-holster-commercial/ (copy n paste )
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I was starting to think my times were being measured with a sundial compared to some. Ya. The number of people who can consistently pull off a sub 1 second draw from real concealment on a realistic target is insanely small...I'm talking Sevigny levels of skill, here. IIRC from my last time out: 7 yards, drawing from concealment (an untucked t-shirt), squared up with an IDPA cardboard - averaged about 1.8 seconds to first shot with about .18 -.20 second splits between shots. When I added another cover garment, in this case a lightweight button down shirt, it added just about three quarters of a second having to fan out that shirt, then lift the t-shirt to get a proper draw grip. You can probably cut that down quite a bit by defining inefficiencies in the way you're drawing using video. It also doesn't hurt to buy clothes that help with the draw. When I buy shirts I've found a way of figuring out what's long enough to keep the pistol hidden if I raise my arms but short enough that it makes for a reasonably fast draw. You get a feel for it after a while. A good standard for folks who want to get really good out of the holster is to be able to draw and put 2 rounds into a 3x5 card at 7 yards in 2 seconds or less. If you get to the point where you can do that consistently you're a 1%er in the world of handguns. Quoted:
Practice to be accurate. The speed will come on it's own. Unfortunately, it won't. Speed comes from being efficient and from learning how to go faster. Some increase in speed will happen if you practice something over and over again, but there's a point at which the only way to go faster is to actually go faster. Speed isn't really speed if you're not hitting...but you aren't really training for speed if you're never missing. Learning how to do things efficiently helps build speed...removing wasted movement, using more efficient techniques, and on some level just moving faster. One of the most difficult things I had to learn about improving my speed was to move my hands faster. You misunderstood- or I didn't say it very well. I have seen guys who practice being fast and just end up spraying all over without hitting their target. When I said the speed will come what I meant was that as you practice you will get smoother, and smooth is fast. Repetition will reduce your times, but it takes a while to develope the muscle memory to get it done. As you practice you can try speeding up a little at a time, but if you just practice speed you will rush your shots and miss. And like I said you can't miss fast enough to win. Increasing speed is good- as long as accuracy doesn't suffer. |
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I was starting to think my times were being measured with a sundial compared to some. Ya. The number of people who can consistently pull off a sub 1 second draw from real concealment on a realistic target is insanely small...I'm talking Sevigny levels of skill, here. IIRC from my last time out: 7 yards, drawing from concealment (an untucked t-shirt), squared up with an IDPA cardboard - averaged about 1.8 seconds to first shot with about .18 -.20 second splits between shots. When I added another cover garment, in this case a lightweight button down shirt, it added just about three quarters of a second having to fan out that shirt, then lift the t-shirt to get a proper draw grip. You can probably cut that down quite a bit by defining inefficiencies in the way you're drawing using video. It also doesn't hurt to buy clothes that help with the draw. When I buy shirts I've found a way of figuring out what's long enough to keep the pistol hidden if I raise my arms but short enough that it makes for a reasonably fast draw. You get a feel for it after a while. A good standard for folks who want to get really good out of the holster is to be able to draw and put 2 rounds into a 3x5 card at 7 yards in 2 seconds or less. If you get to the point where you can do that consistently you're a 1%er in the world of handguns. Quoted:
Practice to be accurate. The speed will come on it's own. Unfortunately, it won't. Speed comes from being efficient and from learning how to go faster. Some increase in speed will happen if you practice something over and over again, but there's a point at which the only way to go faster is to actually go faster. Speed isn't really speed if you're not hitting...but you aren't really training for speed if you're never missing. Learning how to do things efficiently helps build speed...removing wasted movement, using more efficient techniques, and on some level just moving faster. One of the most difficult things I had to learn about improving my speed was to move my hands faster. You misunderstood- or I didn't say it very well. I have seen guys who practice being fast and just end up spraying all over without hitting their target. When I said the speed will come what I meant was that as you practice you will get smoother, and smooth is fast. Repetition will reduce your times, but it takes a while to develope the muscle memory to get it done. As you practice you can try speeding up a little at a time, but if you just practice speed you will rush your shots and miss. And like I said you can't miss fast enough to win. Increasing speed is good- as long as accuracy doesn't suffer. I see what your saying. The more practice the faster you will eventually get. I.E take your time form your first draw and compare it to your draw time a year later. Chances are your time with be increased as will a smooth technique. |
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Dang GringoP you are 50? 50 is still young I know I was just surprised that he is 50. He doesn't look it. It's that special combination of burned Win 231 residue, 3 year old sunscreen and blowing Texas dust that gives me that youthful glow at matches. And SLiP EWL moisturizer every night. Gringop |
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We had an IDPA match on Saturday.... This was the one of the stages. - Actually part two of the first match. (Draw and fire one shot.)
I had on my normal carry attire. (No weighted CCW vest) - Wife beater T, under a tucked in T-shirt, my normal long sleeve heavy duty shirt and a rain jacket. It was about 55 degrees and drizzling. In short, relatively miserable to be out there shooting. Trying to paste targets and keep score. 30' dead center 2.48 secs. Lightweight Colt Commander .45, Crossbreed ST holster - I wasn't the fastest, but I was no where near the slowest. I thought that was pretty good considering I was in my normal, everyday attire with the rain, etc. The young guns, (a couple of local pros) were WAY faster. I wonder if they would have been dressed like that on date or going out to eat? Oh, I'll be 50 this summer! 
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Yep. Only shoot as fast as you can make hits. Practice makes your presentation smooth. The smoother your presentation, the quicker on the draw you will become. Trying to be fast without being smooth will not work out for you. 1.5 second is attainable with a good holster/belt and good instruction/coaching. Sub 1 sec. is damn near impossible with a CCW. Sure I see guys do it on Youtube, but not with what would be considered "real world" holsters/concealment garments. I know I'll get flamed by some interwebz pistolero, but that's reality. I run 1.1-1.25 very consistently to first hit with a G23 in IWB kydex holster concealed under a t shirt or light vest on 7 yard high center mass target (triangle made by nipple-nipple-base of throat). I practice 2-3 times a week dry for 15-30 mins to reinforce muscle memory. I can and have pulled off sub 1 sec rips on occasion, but I wouldn't call them consistent. The 1.1-1.25 I can take to the bank every time. I focus more on smooth |
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John, with appendix carry, ever have issues with the rip on your garment? Not usually. Because the pistol is where it is the "rip" movement is at the easiest possible spot...right at the front. I find it's more difficult to properly clear the garment when I carry strong side than when I carry AIWB. Staging myself with a good handful of shirt or sweater That's cheating.
When I run drills I do it with my hands relaxed at the sides. Starting from surrender or just hands at sides seems to be hit or miss for me. Sometimes smooth and event free, other times may snatch the belt, a loop or just not get enough garment to make a clearing for a good grip. Then what that is telling you is your technique needs to be improved. Using an empty gun start doing some slow-mo draws working on the fundamentals of what you need to do. I think of a "scooping" action where my hand is shaped like a C (with the thumb out to the side and tracing up the body) and I just think about drawing it up the front of my waist and torso. When I feel that the "C"'s empty space has been filled mostly with shirt I grab deliberately and rip decisively upwards. If you go right for the bottom of the shirt you're likely to miss....but if you track up the body in a larger motion it tends to work better. Quoted:
I see what your saying. The more practice the faster you will eventually get. I.E take your time form your first draw and compare it to your draw time a year later. Chances are your time with be increased as will a smooth technique. While that's true to an extent, it's not really the whole picture. The best analogy I've ever heard is with cars. There's a big difference between doing a lane change drill at 35 MPH and doing a lane change drill at 70 MPH. If you use the same inputs to try the drill at 70 MPH that worked at 35, you will smash cones. You have to move faster, more aggressively, and more precisely to keep inside the lines or avoid spinning the thing. At a certain point the only way to figure out how to handle speed is to increase your speed. It's true that most people start hosing at the target before they can hit a reasonable target on demand and that does them no good...but equally true is that there are a number of very accurate shooters who have developed very "smooth" technique that is still slow. Truly building speed is just as involved a process as building accuracy. |
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.5 draw, .75-1.25 to aim and shoot. If you are good you can get your first round off at .75-.85 on target, as your thrust your gun forward I'll state again that the number of people who can pull off a 1.2 second draw to hit a reasonable target from real concealment is tiny. |
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.5 draw, .75-1.25 to aim and shoot. If you are good you can get your first round off at .75-.85 on target, as your thrust your gun forward I'll state again that the number of people who can pull off a 1.2 second draw to hit a reasonable target from real concealment is tiny. Yep. I have met two people who could do that or faster; one on the range, and the other I had zero idea of his shooting skills before a guy pulled a gun on us while we were in plainclothes. I mean, I'm pretty darn fast, and practice often, and am pretty proud of my speed, but the perp. had two in his chest before my gun was pointed at him. Had it been just me, given that the guy drew first, I have no doubt I'd have been hit before I got a round off. |
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.5 draw, .75-1.25 to aim and shoot. If you are good you can get your first round off at .75-.85 on target, as your thrust your gun forward I'll state again that the number of people who can pull off a 1.2 second draw to hit a reasonable target from real concealment is tiny. Yep. I have met two people who could do that or faster; one on the range, and the other I had zero idea of his shooting skills before a guy pulled a gun on us while we were in plainclothes. I mean, I'm pretty darn fast, and practice often, and am pretty proud of my speed, but the perp. had two in his chest before my gun was pointed at him. Had it been just me, given that the guy drew first, I have no doubt I'd have been hit before I got a round off. Wow. Did the bad guy already have his gun drawn or did he do it in front of you? |