[ARCHIVED THREAD] - open carry question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/22/2011 7:18:20 PM EDT
| Is there any time that you guys prefer to OC rather than conceal? like if your going for a walk, hiking, off roading, ect? |
| I open carry when my contact with the public is going to be mostly or totally limited. Like when I am going out to work on some property we have I will open carry, but sometimes I have to stop at the gas station or a fast food restaurant and I will not bother concealing it because we don't have to. But day to day, I choose to conceal carry for the simple reason, I don't want any extra attention. |
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Quoted: Nope . Knowledge is power. The less the bad guys know, the better. I think open carry is for political or ego reasons - no offense - I can understand the politics behind open carry. But it's counter-productive in any self-defense scenario. I don't know about any scenario... Thank's to USPSA matches I have a quarter second draw from an OC holster, you can't do that in a CC holster. |
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I never open carry. Never. I'm in Utah and could easily do so. While I appreciate the political and philosophical arguments behind open carry, I simply don't want anyone to know. Open carry makes you a magnet for unwanted attention. The deterrent value seems like an academic argument. Anyone motivated enough to cause serious damage and death, e.g., the Norway nutjob, is going to scope out the area and shoot you first. I prefer to be low profile, generic, unobtrusive. Too each his own. |
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Nope . Knowledge is power. The less the bad guys know, the better. I think open carry is for political or ego reasons - no offense - I can understand the politics behind open carry. But it's counter-productive in any self-defense scenario. I don't know about any scenario... Thank's to USPSA matches I have a quarter second draw from an OC holster, you can't do that in a CC holster. 1/4 second or even 1 second isn't going to change the outcome of a shooting. People don't die the instant the bullet touches them... Worry less about your uber quick draw and more about the other guy's OODA loop. |
| I only really OC when I am headed out to the desert to do some shooting, but if I happen to need something I don't think twice about walking into a store with it out for the world to see. Maybe the attitude is different here than other parts of the country, but I have never noticed anyone take a second look, or give me dirty looks. Believe me, I've watched. I've only had one person mention the fact I had a firearm strapped to my side, and SHE (a cashier at a Circle K) was curious what caliber my Xd is, because she had a .40 at home! |
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Very good link...top rate sub-links...save to my "FIREARMS folder" i also sent a link to my teacher...we have been teach alot of these points about fringe areas...good read...now if i can just get the wife and kids to read it. |
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Lot's of things in that link that the author didn't address regarding how a predator picks out their prey.
Typically, predators pick out the weak, sick, and/or old. And they also look for those who aren't using their brain to reduce the risk of becoming a victim. Lot's of NON-open carry people are passed up by predators because they make themselves a difficult target. Here's what can happen when you make youself a target when you open carry... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ everyone on this forum knows how to catch an open carry guy unaware enough to get the drop on him/her.... if they were so inclined. and... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkUj7CdOpTI this cop was inclined as to take the gun away... and he did it. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkUj7CdOpTI this cop was inclined as to take the gun away... and he did it. I don't understand your point. The cop violated the law (Terry stop) so people shouldn't carry openly? I can tell you factually, people have gotten serious settlements ($$) from police agencies for their officers doing exactly what that officer did. After that, they leave their opinions on open carry in the locker room with the street clothes. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkUj7CdOpTI this cop was inclined as to take the gun away... and he did it. I don't understand your point. The cop violated the law (Terry stop) so people shouldn't carry openly? I can tell you factually, people have gotten serious settlements ($$) from police agencies for their officers doing exactly what that officer did. After that, they leave their opinions on open carry in the locker room with the street clothes. The point is... open carry brings unnecessary 'situations' to you. In the case of the cop, a "greater force" came and took the gun. It doesn't matter that the greater force was a cop in this case. You and I both know we could get the drop on a target with a little preparation. Until the time comes when the streets are REALLY combatant (think chaotic situations like Catrina, Rodney King Riots, sore looseer Stanley Cup fans, etc.), I'll continue to go concealed and use my head to reduce my chances of being surprised by someone intent on doing me physical harm. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkUj7CdOpTI this cop was inclined as to take the gun away... and he did it. I don't understand your point. The cop violated the law (Terry stop) so people shouldn't carry openly? I can tell you factually, people have gotten serious settlements ($$) from police agencies for their officers doing exactly what that officer did. After that, they leave their opinions on open carry in the locker room with the street clothes. The point is... open carry brings unnecessary 'situations' to you. In the case of the cop, a "greater force" came and took the gun. It doesn't matter that the greater force was a cop in this case. You and I both know we could get the drop on a target with a little preparation. Until the time comes when the streets are REALLY combatant (think chaotic situations like Catrina, Rodney King Riots, sore looseer Stanley Cup fans, etc.), I'll continue to go concealed and use my head to reduce my chances of being surprised by someone intent on doing me physical harm. With the settlement money you can buy more guns, and we all like more guns. 
As long as the good guys are carrying, I don't care how they choose to do so. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkUj7CdOpTI this cop was inclined as to take the gun away... and he did it. I don't understand your point. The cop violated the law (Terry stop) so people shouldn't carry openly? I can tell you factually, people have gotten serious settlements ($$) from police agencies for their officers doing exactly what that officer did. After that, they leave their opinions on open carry in the locker room with the street clothes. The point is... open carry brings unnecessary 'situations' to you. In the case of the cop, a "greater force" came and took the gun. It doesn't matter that the greater force was a cop in this case. You and I both know we could get the drop on a target with a little preparation. Until the time comes when the streets are REALLY combatant (think chaotic situations like Catrina, Rodney King Riots, sore looseer Stanley Cup fans, etc.), I'll continue to go concealed and use my head to reduce my chances of being surprised by someone intent on doing me physical harm. With the settlement money you can buy more guns, and we all like more guns. As long as the good guys are carrying, I don't care how they choose to do so. OC will bring undue attention from cops...but if the OC and the cop keep cool heads it can be a way of educating the LEO's..be a but head ..with responses like "i don't need to show you my ID" and it will become a lengthy interaction. We have a pain in the ass group here in NH call them selves "FREE STATER'S" and they are very good at editing their videos to their objectives...they want an altercation and use passive abusive techniques to do so..thier basic premise is good...one good thing they do is OC in bad sections of the city and pick up trash..and things like that...good PR But then they do things like OC at marijuana rallys..and have members yell out things like.."HAY HE HAS A GUN"...or have women walk around OC with out a shirt (pretty girls thank god..lol)..but in a small town thats just asking for trouble...which is what they want...and all ways filmed Thing is they edit out the parts were they are the ass...usualy with commentary..so it doesn't seem like they are hiding anything..but iv seen 3 unedited ones..funny stuff. Long of the short...is if you are going to open carry..relise the cops are going to have an eye on you...ecept that fact..and recording the incident is a great way of making sure you keep a cool head  ...and if something unwanted happens you have a case. iv read Mainsails link...very good read. I'm just not comfortable OC....but lucky for me...i can do ether or legally.
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Here's what can happen when you make youself a target when you open carry... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ everyone on this forum knows how to catch an open carry guy unaware enough to get the drop on him/her.... if they were so inclined. That is completely irrelevant, that was a demonstration. That would be like me posting this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbC17nXjyS0 If everything on youtube was real you might as well not even carry a gun because if you pull it your attacker might be a [sarcasm]3rd degree super Ninja or some crazy shit[/sarcasm] If you want to open/conceal carry either way, do it. If your not supporting both methods, maybe your arnt as pro 2A as you may think. I'll continue to go concealed and use my head to reduce my chances of being surprised by someone intent on doing me physical harm.
Using your head would be putting yourself in the situation to not have to pull your gun regardless if its concealed or open. And if you do find yourself in that situation in the back of a 711 when someone comes in to rob it, due to the adrenaline and tunnel vision they probably won't see you anyways let alone whats on your hip. |
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Here's what can happen when you make youself a target when you open carry... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ everyone on this forum knows how to catch an open carry guy unaware enough to get the drop on him/her.... if they were so inclined. That is completely irrelevant, that was a demonstration. That would be like me posting this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbC17nXjyS0 If everything on youtube was real you might as well not even carry a gun because if you pull it your attacker might be a [sarcasm]3rd degree super Ninja or some crazy shit[/sarcasm] If you want to open/conceal carry either way, do it. If your not supporting both methods, maybe your arnt as pro 2A as you may think. I'll continue to go concealed and use my head to reduce my chances of being surprised by someone intent on doing me physical harm.
Using your head would be putting yourself in the situation to not have to pull your gun regardless if its concealed or open. And if you do find yourself in that situation in the back of a 711 when someone comes in to rob it, due to the adrenaline and tunnel vision they probably won't see you anyways let alone whats on your hip. Um... Nevermind. I think you've given a troll response. I'm not willing to put small font lawer type disclaimers in a post for some people. |
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Um... Nevermind. I think you've given a troll response. I'm not willing to put small font lawer type disclaimers in a post for some people. Ah yes the elusive troll... I think not. I am not the one advocating that you can simply rip a holster off the always unaware open carrier, or getting the "drop on him/her.... if they were so inclined." Advocating violence now? Why would one need to "get the drop" on an open carrier? |
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Um... Nevermind. I think you've given a troll response. I'm not willing to put small font lawer type disclaimers in a post for some people. Ah yes the elusive troll... I think not. I am not the one advocating that you can simply rip a holster off the always unaware open carrier, or getting the "drop on him/her.... if they were so inclined." Advocating violence now? Why would one need to "get the drop" on an open carrier? You seriously think that link was to show how easily a fobus holster can be ripped off a person? Seriously. Why would someone need to get the drop on someone with a gun? You ARE joking right? Hey, seriously. Don't worry about it. |
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Quoted: We can open carry. I just don't. I would much rather be able to deliver a surprise than have someone behind in the check out line grab my pistol and give me a heart attack. If you think someone could grab your pistol without you having time to react with something more than a heart attack, you're walking around in condition white. When open carrying it's imperative to never be in condition white. |
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We can open carry. I just don't. I would much rather be able to deliver a surprise than have someone behind in the check out line grab my pistol and give me a heart attack. If you think someone could grab your pistol without you having time to react with something more than a heart attack, you're walking around in condition white. When open carrying it's imperative to never be in condition white. And being distracted by someone, while one or more come from a blind side? Pick pockets do that all the time. First they pick a target... If I wanted your gun, that's one way I'd go about it.... if I was inclined to do such things. Personally, I would think it rare that something like that would actually happen from a bad guy(s). Same can be said for actually needing to use my concealed gun, but we all continue to do it in case of the extreme emergency. I won't open carry in public for two main reasons. Don't want the LEO hastles. Don't want the society hastles. In my area, the people who my family have to deal with through sports, church, Boy and Girl Scouts, Play Dates, Slumber Parties, Birthday Parties, etc.... would absolutely freak if they thought I carried a gun. Openly or not. Think there are folks who won't do business with someone who carries a gun? Openly or not? |
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Open carry is an important gun right that I wish was extended to my home state of Florida.
It should be up to the individual gun carrier to decide whether or not open or concealed carry is the best form of carrying a firearm in a specific situation or location. People who argue that it is unsafe because someone could take their gun, or that it shouldn't be allowed because they don't favor it; are no better than those who extend the same specious argument to call for the elimination of all forms of carry. |
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Open carry is an important gun right that I wish was extended to my home state of Florida. It should be up to the individual gun carrier to decide whether or not open or concealed carry is the best form of carrying a firearm in a specific situation or location. People who argue that it is unsafe because someone could take their gun, or that it shouldn't be allowed because they don't favor it; are no better than those who extend the same specious argument to call for the elimination of all forms of carry. Your opinion. I have never, ever said that open carry shouldn't be allowed. When Society changes their outlook and 2-3 out of every 10 people are open carrying, then I'll carry openly. |
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Open carry is an important gun right that I wish was extended to my home state of Florida. It should be up to the individual gun carrier to decide whether or not open or concealed carry is the best form of carrying a firearm in a specific situation or location. People who argue that it is unsafe because someone could take their gun, or that it shouldn't be allowed because they don't favor it; are no better than those who extend the same specious argument to call for the elimination of all forms of carry. Your opinion. I have never, ever said that open carry shouldn't be allowed. When Society changes their outlook and 2-3 out of every 10 people are open carrying, then I'll carry openly. Yes, it is my opinion and I was not addressing you; BTW, it should be noted that your own opinion appears 7 times in this thread. I don't care how you carry, what you carry, or even if you carry; it's of absolutely no importance to me. What is important to me is for my rights to be respected and unfortunately in Florida, in spite of the generally excellent gun laws, my right to carry openly if I choose is not respected as it is in 43 other states. I was just trying to voice my own opinion regarding the right to open carry, not inquiring as to under what circumstances you would choose to open carry. |
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You seriously think that link was to show how easily a fobus holster can be ripped off a person? Seriously. Then what was it posted for? Why would someone need to get the drop on someone with a gun? You ARE joking right? You are the one who mentioned it so care to explain? |
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You seriously think that link was to show how easily a fobus holster can be ripped off a person? Seriously. Then what was it posted for? Why would someone need to get the drop on someone with a gun? You ARE joking right? You are the one who mentioned it so care to explain? Just re-read the thread. It's been explained more than once. |
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Is there any time that you guys prefer to OC rather than conceal? like if your going for a walk, hiking, off roading, ect? hunting / fishing only in the outdoors IWB any other time Im for OPEN CARRY But I wont ever OC in public. I do think its up to the owner |
| I open carry a lot.. I almost always open carry while out in the back country, be it wood cutting or ATV riding. I even carry open in town. My experince has alway be positive.. Maybe it is because I don't dress like a thug or walk around like I am a bad ass.. I am a very approachable guy and answer any questions people have.. I carry in a retention holster and I am always making eye contact with folks.. After a few years of doing it , it just isn't a big deal.. |
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You are just begging for trouble. Every time I see someone who open carries they are constantly touching on it and adjusting it like its a second prick...I don't think I have ever seen one who carries spare mags/rounds... They remind me of Bernhard Goetz or Charlie Bronson. I know not all of you are like this, but I'm saying around here I have just described 9/10 people who open carry.
To me, the people who open carry and are constantly touching their weapons are menacing and brush up against 3rd degree assault. In any event, just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean I don't support your right to do it. We are all on the same team so more power too you. I do have to wonder about weapon retention. What do you do when you stand in a line? Whats to stop someone from trying to stealth up behind you and grab your weapon? And don't say"I'd see it coming". Thats bullshit. Nobody can be switched on 24/7... Those that open carry, are you atleast trained in basic weapon retention skills? |
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Quoted: this last part might explain why people who OC touch their gun...its a sub continence check that its their..and that your protecting it.....kinda like when parents have a hand on heads of their little ones..You are just begging for trouble. Every time I see someone who open carries they are constantly touching on it and adjusting it like its a second prick...I don't think I have ever seen one who carries spare mags/rounds... They remind me of Bernhard Goetz or Charlie Bronson. I know not all of you are like this, but I'm saying around here I have just described 9/10 people who open carry. To me, the people who open carry and are constantly touching their weapons are menacing and brush up against 3rd degree assault. In any event, just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean I don't support your right to do it. We are all on the same team so more power too you. I do have to wonder about weapon retention. What do you do when you stand in a line? Whats to stop someone from trying to stealth up behind you and grab your weapon? And don't say"I'd see it coming". Thats bullshit. Nobody can be switched on 24/7... Those that open carry, are you atleast trained in basic weapon retention skills? |
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Anytime I'm not in public. Yep. +1 It is legal here, and I respect the right, but I never have. I don't want or need the attention. My family and a few close friends know that I am always carrying, and those are the only people who need to know. |
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I will always carry concealed because the general population are ignorant to gun laws. I talked to a gentleman yesterday that had some folks call the police and reported him as "a man with a gun." He was in our local mall, and so of course local law enforcement arrived in force. This gentleman was and still is licensed to carry concealed, and his weapon was barely showing. The last thing we need is to be occupying law enforcements time with "false alarms." Not only that, but the last thing I want to do is paint a target on my back by having my weapon exposed. I don't wear tactical clothing, and try to remain as inconspicuous as possible.
All that being said, open carry definitely has it's place. If I'm hunting, fishing, or Canoeing it might be a better option for me. When I'm around people I know, and I know it won't offend or freak them out, it might be a better option. Just my opinion. To each his own. -Chris |
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I don't want the extra attention. I wish it were legal though just so I would not have to worry. +1 Before moven to SWFL in 2004. I lived in IN . And one could open carry if they wanted. But all the guys I know of didnt. Also didnt ever run into someone you used open carry. I would like FL to have the same law. |
| I've worked on my carry choices to the point where now it's so comfortable to carry concealed that I just never bother with anything else unless I have to run a carbine in a class or something. I hike concealed, mow the lawn concealed...pretty much every activity in my life is done with at least one (usually two) concealed handguns. |
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Quoted: I will always carry concealed because the general population are ignorant to gun laws. I talked to a gentleman yesterday that had some folks call the police and reported him as "a man with a gun." He was in our local mall, and so of course local law enforcement arrived in force. This gentleman was and still is licensed to carry concealed, and his weapon was barely showing. The last thing we need is to be occupying law enforcements time with "false alarms." Not only that, but the last thing I want to do is paint a target on my back by having my weapon exposed. I don't wear tactical clothing, and try to remain as inconspicuous as possible. All that being said, open carry definitely has it's place. If I'm hunting, fishing, or Canoeing it might be a better option for me. When I'm around people I know, and I know it won't offend or freak them out, it might be a better option. Just my opinion. To each his own. -Chris They wouldn't be ignorant if people open carried more. |
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I will always carry concealed because the general population are ignorant to gun laws. I talked to a gentleman yesterday that had some folks call the police and reported him as "a man with a gun." He was in our local mall, and so of course local law enforcement arrived in force. This gentleman was and still is licensed to carry concealed, and his weapon was barely showing. The last thing we need is to be occupying law enforcements time with "false alarms." Not only that, but the last thing I want to do is paint a target on my back by having my weapon exposed. I don't wear tactical clothing, and try to remain as inconspicuous as possible. All that being said, open carry definitely has it's place. If I'm hunting, fishing, or Canoeing it might be a better option for me. When I'm around people I know, and I know it won't offend or freak them out, it might be a better option. Just my opinion. To each his own. -Chris They wouldn't be ignorant if people open carried more. I disagree. Ignorance/irrational fear is only changed by education, not repeated exposure. |