[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Single stack 9mm (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/31/2011 10:36:56 AM EDT
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What are some good single stack 9mm options for CCW?
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| I would look at the Springfield EMP over anything previously listed, because of it's better 1911 trigger, and ergonomics (for many anyway), plus it's compact and light with it's aluminum frame. Quite a few of the shooters over at the BrianEnos competition shooters forum, and elsewhere, swear to the reliability of this new little 9mm 1911, and those guys do more pistol shooting than anyone else. |
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The P6 is a P225 with a hole in the hammer as far as I know. I had a P6, but it was the only Sig pistol I owned.
OP, what are you looking for? What kind of trigger? What size? The P6/P225 is "bigger" than a Glock 19, the Walther P-1 is "bigger" than a G-17...but are both single stack. Are you looking for something tiny like a Kel-Tec PF-9? |
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The P6 is a P225 with a hole in the hammer as far as I know. I had a P6, but it was the only Sig pistol I owned. OP, what are you looking for? What kind of trigger? What size? The P6/P225 is "bigger" than a Glock 19, the Walther P-1 is "bigger" than a G-17...but are both single stack. Are you looking for something tiny like a Kel-Tec PF-9? I'd like something on the small side. A PPS seems like what I'm looking for. I'd like it to be large enough to be fun to shoot yet small enough to CCW with light clothing. Thanks for all the replies everyone. |
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If you can find em, the Sig P6 is a nice little single stack 9, though bigger then some of the newer single stack 9's. They were going real cheap for awhile, but they may have dried up. Isnt the P6 a P225 with a different mag release? No, same mag release––-P6 is just (as I understand it,) the designation of the W. German police issue pistols with the hole/hook in the hammer. I have a 225 and a P6, and the mags are interchangeable and identical. On the topic, I also have a 3913TSW (the old non-railed 7 shot version, and I simply cannot suggest this weapon enough––it rides my ankle all day while I'm out, and is on my side as I type from the couch,) and 2 regular 3913s (and the missus has one as well.) All fine weapons, though the edge would go the 3913 in general, the 3913TSW in particular. I also a H&K P9S, a Walther P-38, a Kimber Commander-size 9mm, and a Norinco 213 in the single-stack 9mm category, though I wouldn't really suggest any of them for EDC. |
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The P6 is a P225 with a hole in the hammer as far as I know. I had a P6, but it was the only Sig pistol I owned. OP, what are you looking for? What kind of trigger? What size? The P6/P225 is "bigger" than a Glock 19, the Walther P-1 is "bigger" than a G-17...but are both single stack. Are you looking for something tiny like a Kel-Tec PF-9? I'd like something on the small side. A PPS seems like what I'm looking for. I'd like it to be large enough to be fun to shoot yet small enough to CCW with light clothing. Thanks for all the replies everyone. Well next step I would say is to arrange to shoot or at least handle/dry fire a PPS. You may also look at Kimber's new single-stack 9, it seems to be a similar size, as are some of the larger Kahr guns. |
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The LC9 is basically a copy if the Kel-Tec PF-9. It's a very small pistol. Probably a good one, but it's a lot smaller than a fun range gun. Okay, thanks for all the help. I need to go play with a 3913 and a LC9. Looks like a trip to the local fun shop is in order. Again thanks everyone for the replies. |
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The LC9 is basically a copy if the Kel-Tec PF-9. It's a very small pistol. Probably a good one, but it's a lot smaller than a fun range gun. Okay, thanks for all the help. I need to go play with a 3913 and a LC9. Looks like a trip to the local fun shop is in order. Again thanks everyone for the replies. Be advised, you are going to have to hunt for a used 3913, as they are no longer made. I think S&W makes a 908 that is very similar, but I have no experience with that particular weapon. ETA: Apparently, S&W no longer makes *any* 3rd gen. pistols. Dang. |
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The LC9 is basically a copy if the Kel-Tec PF-9. It's a very small pistol. Probably a good one, but it's a lot smaller than a fun range gun. Okay, thanks for all the help. I need to go play with a 3913 and a LC9. Looks like a trip to the local fun shop is in order. Again thanks everyone for the replies. Be advised, you are going to have to hunt for a used 3913, as they are no longer made. I think S&W makes a 908 that is very similar, but I have no experience with that particular weapon. ETA: Apparently, S&W no longer makes *any* 3rd gen. pistols. Dang. A gun I have to hunt for? Sounds like my cup of tea. 
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If you can find em, the Sig P6 is a nice little single stack 9, though bigger then some of the newer single stack 9's. They were going real cheap for awhile, but they may have dried up. Isnt the P6 a P225 with a different mag release? No, same mag release––-P6 is just (as I understand it,) the designation of the W. German police issue pistols with the hole/hook in the hammer. I have a 225 and a P6, and the mags are interchangeable and identical. On the topic, I also have a 3913TSW (the old non-railed 7 shot version, and I simply cannot suggest this weapon enough––it rides my ankle all day while I'm out, and is on my side as I type from the couch,) and 2 regular 3913s (and the missus has one as well.) All fine weapons, though the edge would go the 3913 in general, the 3913TSW in particular. I also a H&K P9S, a Walther P-38, a Kimber Commander-size 9mm, and a Norinco 213 in the single-stack 9mm category, though I wouldn't really suggest any of them for EDC. I'd love to have a P6/225. Sexy 'n simple. Wish the cheap trade-ins were still around. a-bare |
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Quick word of advice... don't rule out compact double stacks too quickly.
When I first started carrying I thought I needed a small single stack 9mm because I have a small frame and my XD9 service was too big, especially in the grip. The PF9 was in no way shape or form a fun gun to shoot! Long story short, I sold it, bought an M&P9c and more recently an XDm9c. I'm able to conceal both effortlessly in an MTAC w/o changing my dress (straight jeans and normal sized T) and enjoy shooting both at the range. |
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Looked at the PPS and it's a bit more than I'd like to pay. I should have put in the original post I'd like something under $500. What about the LC9? Any one have any experience with them? If you look, you will find the PPS for under $500. I just sold a PPS 9mm in very good condition with a Crossbreed horsehide holster for $475 shipped on the EE. I have seen them for $425 to $450. Gotta look often and be prepared to buy quick. I am also going to sell my wifes S&W 908S (look it up, 3913 esque. Biggest difference visually is the ambi-safet/decock) very soon. I bought it for her for CC and she never did. Has been sitting in the box since bought new over a year ago. Think she put 3 magazines through it. They are out there, you just have to look. Took me about a month to find the 908S for my wife because she "had to have it". You see how that worked out. 
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The 3913 and the 908 (budget version of the 3913) are great guns for IWB carry, generally run $400-$500, but are virtually impossible to find good holsters for. When looking for holsters look toward Sig 228/229 holsters. All mine fit perfectly, epecially IWB leather. As a matter of fact the Fobus holsters list the same model number for the Sig and S&W's. That's why I tried them in my Sig holsters to begin with. They fit perfectly. Here are some comparison pictures with a Sig 228R and S&W 908S. Just listed the 908S in the EE. 
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The 3913 and the 908 (budget version of the 3913) are great guns for IWB carry, generally run $400-$500, but are virtually impossible to find good holsters for. When looking for holsters look toward Sig 228/229 holsters. All mine fit perfectly, epecially IWB leather. As a matter of fact the Fobus holsters list the same model number for the Sig and S&W's. That's why I tried them in my Sig holsters to begin with. They fit perfectly. Here are some comparison pictures with a Sig 228R and S&W 908S. Just listed the 908S in the EE. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0404100955.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0404100953.jpg I have at least three holsters for mine. A Galco SOB, a Galco IWB, and a Mitch Rosen IWB. My local gunstore carries the first two. |
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The 3913 and the 908 (budget version of the 3913) are great guns for IWB carry, generally run $400-$500, but are virtually impossible to find good holsters for. When looking for holsters look toward Sig 228/229 holsters. All mine fit perfectly, epecially IWB leather. As a matter of fact the Fobus holsters list the same model number for the Sig and S&W's. That's why I tried them in my Sig holsters to begin with. They fit perfectly. Here are some comparison pictures with a Sig 228R and S&W 908S. Just listed the 908S in the EE. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0404100955.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0404100953.jpg I have at least three holsters for mine. A Galco SOB, a Galco IWB, and a Mitch Rosen IWB. My local gunstore carries the first two. Good for you. Compared to the holster options available for a Glock, 1911, M&P, or even a Sig 239, there isn't much out there for a 3913. I've used a heatgun to reshape a kydex M&P holster to fit my 908 because I couldn't find an acceptable holster for it. |
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Good for you. Compared to the holster options available for a Glock, 1911, M&P, or even a Sig 239, there isn't much out there for a 3913. I've used a heatgun to reshape a kydex M&P holster to fit my 908 because I couldn't find an acceptable holster for it. Well, I think "virtually impossible" is not accurate, since Galco, Bianchi, Mitch Rosen, Milt Sparks, Safariland, Fobus and Don Hume all make holsters which are listed on their webpages. Obviously, YMMV. Edit: I have found it significantly harder to find holsters for an FNP, PPS, P99, and Hk 45c. I'd say it's on par, in my experience, with the 239. |
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Sig P225 S&W 3913 the sig 225 is superior to the P6 in that the P6 was not designed to take HP ammo originaly. they are 99% the same, ( P6 hammer had the "fired my gun wire tie spot" , and a differnant barrel )the very late P6's ones will reliably cycle 9mm hp but the surplus ones wont without a new barrel. the 3913 is outstanding, and lighter(seeming) than the P6/225, crossbreed supertuck made my holster, I love it. and am glad I went with horsehide, I might wear it out otherwise. Also if you are really really budget minded looks are not an issue the keltec 9 or 11(one is a single one is a double). but dunno about the quality. |
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Not to muddy the water but I am a big fan of the HK P7. My standard CC firearm. Slim, super safe and the extra weight can be handled with a good holseter (I use a Milt Sparks VMII).
If you keep your eyes open you can find a good B or C grade PSP in your price range. P7's are a love or hate kind of gun, not much middle ground. As I have 3 I'll let you guess which category I fall into.
As others have said - get one in your hands and see what fits and feels best. Good luck. |
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What are some good single stack 9mm options for CCW? ETA: Under $500 If you ever whip out a pair of dial calipers and measure the width of most single-stack 9mm's against the width of polymer double-stack guns like the M&P or the Glock you'll notice that there ain't really much difference between the two. |
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What are some good single stack 9mm options for CCW? ETA: Under $500 If you ever whip out a pair of dial calipers and measure the width of most single-stack 9mm's against the width of polymer double-stack guns like the M&P or the Glock you'll notice that there ain't really much difference between the two. Here is an example: 
The top is a Sig 228R and bottom is a 908. Not much difference to gain another five rounds. |
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What are some good single stack 9mm options for CCW? ETA: Under $500 If you ever whip out a pair of dial calipers and measure the width of most single-stack 9mm's against the width of polymer double-stack guns like the M&P or the Glock you'll notice that there ain't really much difference between the two. Here is an example: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0610101922.jpg The top is a Sig 228R and bottom is a 908. Not much difference to gain another five rounds. Different grips make a lot of actual width difference. I like my BHP for slim double-stack carry. 
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The 3913 and the 908 (budget version of the 3913) are great guns for IWB carry, generally run $400-$500, but are virtually impossible to find good holsters for. When looking for holsters look toward Sig 228/229 holsters. All mine fit perfectly, epecially IWB leather. As a matter of fact the Fobus holsters list the same model number for the Sig and S&W's. That's why I tried them in my Sig holsters to begin with. They fit perfectly. Here are some comparison pictures with a Sig 228R and S&W 908S. Just listed the 908S in the EE. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0404100955.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0404100953.jpg How's the width compare? I've been meaning to buy a CompTac Spartan that I'd re-shape to fit my S&W 908, but I want to get something that's already reasonably close. |
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What are some good single stack 9mm options for CCW? ETA: Under $500 If you ever whip out a pair of dial calipers and measure the width of most single-stack 9mm's against the width of polymer double-stack guns like the M&P or the Glock you'll notice that there ain't really much difference between the two. Here is an example: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/0610101922.jpg The top is a Sig 228R and bottom is a 908. Not much difference to gain another five rounds. I just did that same thing with my 908 and M&P9c. You're right; grip with is almost identical. It looks like the M&P slide is a bit wider though. I wish I understood why, but I find that the M&P takes up a LOT more space in my pants when carried IWB than the 908. Maybe it's the slide, profile of the front strap, trigger guard size, etc.. It's a real shame, because I shoot the M&P better than I shoot the 908, but it's just enough harder to carry that I find myself leaving the M&P at home. |