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Posted: 9/12/2005 5:15:57 AM EDT
[#1]
Yes, absolutely....count me in. A Tantal that is not correct is not worth having for me. The uniqueness and therefore interest in this design is due in large part to the left side selector switch (which must be functional!) and of course, the unique muzzle brake. Correct factory markings are a must!
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Posted: 9/12/2005 6:48:11 AM EDT
[#2]
In order to stay compliant with 922r, I can see us as having to use the US manufactured Tantal Muzzle Brake.
US Receiver (1 Part) US FCG (3 Parts) US Gas Piston (1 Part) US Muzzle Brake (1 Part) This lets us keep the original furniture and pistol grip. I also want to have the left rear side CNC engraved with the correct model information. Who knows the correct information ???? Model: Manufacturer: Origin: |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 6:55:57 AM EDT
[#3]
krink, talk to hotbarrel over on gunco. He does some good US tantal breaks.
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Posted: 9/13/2005 12:05:25 AM EDT
[#4]
hell yes i'm in. mmk
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Posted: 9/13/2005 2:13:59 AM EDT
[#5]
KF,
I think that is a really really bad idea. I have three kits that I want Troy to build for me. I am sending him one at a time as I get funds to complete each kit. It now takes 4 months for him to get one done. If you get everyone to send him a boat load of Tantal kits then it's going to take me years to get my kits built. Troy told me that the max number of kits he can build is about 15 per week. Just think how many weeks the poor man will have to work if you keep this up. The poor man has a family and you would not want to cause his wife pack up and leave. You will have the poor man working night and day. Just think about what you are doing. His wife is gone, he is working 24 hours a day and his house packed full of Tantal kits. He will not have time for a vacation, his kids won't know who he is and to top it all off the poor man will be eating cold cuts in the shop for every meal. KF KF get hold of yourself man you have gone off the deep end. Why don't we just have him build one Tantal kit and we can pass it around. Each person can keep it for one case of ammo and then they must send it to the next person. It's a good way to see how many rounds an AK can fire before it gets to the end of it's service life. I am asking you to let the poor man have a decent life. Good Shooting, Sparky1 
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Posted: 9/13/2005 3:10:44 AM EDT
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KF,
I understand that about 10,000 Tantal kits are in the US with an equal number on the way. Now if other builders do 1,000 from each shipment and Troy does the rest, that is 18,000 builds. Now lets see, he should finish the last rifle build in about say 100 years. That is if he does not take a vacation! I am thinking Troy will slow down a bit after he reaches the age of 100 so add ten additional years to complete the last few hundred kits. I would think the last kit will be complete in the year 2115. I am just guessing but Troy will be about oh say 145 years old. I am sure you will want the last kit completed which will make you how old? Do you think you will still be bump firing at that age? Ha Ha Good Shooting, Sparky1 P.S. I will ge glad to go out shooting with you when the last kit is done. Only one problem, I don't think I will be driving at age 170 so could you come pick me up and take me to the range that day? |
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Posted: 9/13/2005 5:56:53 PM EDT
[#7]
Sparky1, 151 posts since 2002. it's not looking good for you to hit 200 in 2005.
 mmk
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Posted: 9/13/2005 6:18:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Kirk,
I am old man, what can I say. I am just old and slow. Sparky1
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:26:33 AM EDT
[#9]
Tag. Interested. Don't really know what it means but want to do a tantal build.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:11:46 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm in for the receiver. Just got my Tantal today.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 5:10:38 AM EDT
[#11]
hotbarrel is no longer doing Tantal brakes. He's posted this on gunco and emailed it to me last night. Not saying he wouldn't change his mind, but right now, he's not taking orders.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:05:14 AM EDT
[#12]
I talked to Sellars last night and he is willing to open a window of time for Tantals to be built, the same way he has done in the past on Bulgarian AK-74s.
What he does it tool up the shop to do a certain type of build and he runs it like an assembly line. Once he finishes SEAK III, he will take a short break, tool up the shop for Tantals, and then begin the project. SEAK III is slated to finish toward the end of October, so we may be talking sometime in November. More details later. |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 1:43:00 PM EDT
[#13]
Yup, glad I sent a MO several weeks ago. BTW it's a BRAKE! AAARRRGGHHH!! And TAG! |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 1:22:54 AM EDT
[#14]
KF,
Next time you talk to Troy please ask him when he is going run Romy kits. I mailed him my kit about three weeks ago. I would email him but I know he has a ton on them every day. I would think he should have a ton of Romy kits right now with the great prices we are seeing. Thanks, Sparky1
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Posted: 9/17/2005 4:17:14 AM EDT
[#15]
Hmmm...
If there is a "partial build" type service of correctly locating the selector and marking the receiver I'd hit it. I can do the rest. |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 4:23:17 AM EDT
[#16]
Not sure if this is what you mean, but Arsenal will now place all marks on the bottom or the receiver for a slight additional fee. There should be no need to have this on the side of the receiver. As for selector marks, I have those pics if you need them |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 12:14:19 PM EDT
[#17]
I'd be interested.
This picture is in the tacked thread over in discussions, of a PMKMS selector marks. Might be the same for the tantal. 
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Posted: 9/18/2005 3:49:11 AM EDT
[#18]
we need the left side markings. mmk
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Posted: 9/18/2005 3:36:15 PM EDT
[#19]
I forsee more money going out for a hit in my addiction
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Posted: 9/18/2005 8:58:21 PM EDT
[#20]
I would love to take part in this-- but after dropping damn near a thousand dollars on SEAK III, I'm just not going to be able to. I'm going to have all I can do to get the compliance parts from Hotbarrel-- and then there's the other five or eight kits--
 --What am I saying?!?! I'm rich in history that was otherwise unattainable!  But I still can't take part in this. I'll just have to get reeeeeeaaaallllyyyyy good at building AKs, I guess.
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:11:06 PM EDT
[#22]
I'm in for two.
and TAG |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 10:18:16 AM EDT
[#23]
I am quite interested... At least in the parts... I am curious however if we put the selector down in the lower Tantial location just how easy it will be to use any US FCG parts? I have a tantial kit but i have not played with the parts yet to really understand that selector and how hard it will be to use standard US made AKM FCG parts...
Still, I plan to build mine as correct as possible.. |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 9:26:25 AM EDT
[#24]
I'm interested. I'd like as authentic a build as possible.
It would be nice to be able to keep the pistol grip and the muzzle brake, they are both really good pieces. Haven't seen whether the US-made brake is the same material and quality as the original. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 5:55:27 AM EDT
[#25]
tag
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Posted: 9/26/2005 3:55:09 PM EDT
[#26]
Yes, I could be VERY interested in one of these.............any idea of a ballpark figure? I gotta go raid the spare change jar soon..........
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Posted: 9/26/2005 8:02:24 PM EDT
[#27]
+1 including making the left side selector WORK! Very interested....any ballpark price? |
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Posted: 9/29/2005 9:53:08 AM EDT
[#28]
+1 on making the left side selector work |
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Posted: 9/29/2005 11:54:03 AM EDT
[#29]
If this happens, do I need to acquire all of the necessary parts?
I have the kit, and Hotbarrel's brake and piston. I need a receiver and 3 other US parts still (as well as a rivet set). I think that is everything (?) |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 8:00:38 AM EDT
[#30]
I'm interested to, my Tantal kit is all cleaned, de-riveted, etc. Just need to decide on what to do about the receiver "problem".
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:19:20 AM EDT
[#31]
Tag, I am interested in this too if I can afford it.
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Posted: 10/13/2005 9:03:26 AM EDT
[#32]
Thats what I'd like to see as well; a modification to make the left selector work, proper markings as well. |
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Posted: 10/13/2005 10:59:30 AM EDT
[#33]
Question: By "work" you just mean you’re able to move it from one position to another right? If you mean work as in select a rate of fire....I thought it was illegal to make imported firearms into machine guns that were not imported as such; even if you have a license allowing you to own machine guns (actually I thought it was illegal to make *anything* into a machine gun that wasn't already one). I know I could be wrong, I have very few actual fields of expertise, and this certainly isn't one of them. Edited: Don't mean to sound like I'm preaching from a soapbox here. I have to admit (curiosity being what it is) that while building my first kit the thought crossed my mind several times that I should drill that third hole and try installing the full auto FC parts I had in front of me (just to see if I could get it to work). In the end, fear of hefty fines and prison sentences won out over curiosity. Gee...maybe I have matured since my younger days.........
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Posted: 10/13/2005 11:25:21 AM EDT
[#34]
By "work" I mean use the left selector to engage/disengage the safety on the rifle, much like the right selector. Only on the left. |
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Posted: 10/13/2005 12:09:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Got it. I think my ideal Tantal build would be to have the left hand selector just move/detent between it's settings and not really do anything. Just a cosmetic part. While the right hand selector would function normally as the safety. |
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Posted: 10/15/2005 3:25:37 PM EDT
[#36]
Any update on the possibility of this build run?
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Posted: 10/19/2005 7:57:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/19/2005 8:09:01 AM EDT
[#38]
+1 still waiting. |
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Posted: 10/21/2005 10:07:22 AM EDT
[#39]
Tag - I'm interested.
Question, though - are we able to supply our own parts? I already have a receiver, and I have a set of the black Tantal handguards, so I'd be going with a black US pistol grip - no need for a US-made brake/launcher. GunKote over Park finish? |
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Posted: 10/21/2005 12:03:39 PM EDT
[#40]
All I want is a receiver, the building I can handle on my own.
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Posted: 10/23/2005 6:10:45 AM EDT
[#41]
I've been away from this thread for awhile, but just caught up.
Armory USA will be making 5.45 receivers with no selector hole cut. InRange can cut the hole in the correct location. We now have the pic of the left side markings for the left side selector. EXCELLENT. I've read that US FCGs can be tweaked/modified to work with the original Tantal Selector. Harlan at NDS has come on saying they are also tooling up receivers for the Tantal. So............... - Get your kit - Get your FCG (or purchase a G2 FCG from InRange when does the build) and Gas Piston - Get your receiver (make sure you get one without the selector hole because InRange says it's a pain to weld it up, or get the NDS receiver that Harlan is advertising) - Get whatever aftermarket polymer furniture you want Have it boxed, but not sealed, and be ready to mail it when the time comes. I say don't seal it just in case something comes up and you need to add to your items. KF |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 8:20:42 AM EDT
[#42]
Doesn't sound like Hotbarrel will have the pistons or brakes in time for the build...what are our other options?
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Posted: 10/23/2005 5:45:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Couple of options - you could substitute a U.S.-made pistol grip temporarily, until your brake becomes available.
Or, you could leave the brake off - that removes (1) part from the 922(r) count. As far as the piston goes - these aren't unique pistons, are they? I was under the assumption that it was a standard AK-74 piston. |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 6:34:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Supposedly the Tantal piston is a tiny bit shorter than a standard -74 piston, but the -74 piston will work. This advice is worth every cent you paid for it. |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 11:14:01 AM EDT
[#45]
Well, I just ordered my receiver from Global...with 4-5 week wait for delivery I probably won't have it in time
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Posted: 11/6/2005 12:02:38 AM EDT
[#46]
Has there been any word from Troy about this? I would be interested but being part of the MARCH MADNESS sale and still waiting Im a little hesitent.
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Posted: 11/8/2005 8:43:12 AM EDT
[#47]
Any updates?
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Posted: 11/10/2005 5:43:54 PM EDT
[#48]
Yes, updates please....left side safety functionality especially is important to me. Thanks.
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Posted: 11/18/2005 1:46:54 PM EDT
[#49]
IIRC, the left side selector on the tantal only switches it from semi to full to burst, right? so if you wanted it to engage/disengage the fire control, it wouldnt be authentic, which would kind of defeat the purpose, wouldnt it?
just my thoughts.... im not trying to rain on the party or anything, tantals are sweet rifles and itd be cool to see one with the left side selector intact |
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Posted: 11/19/2005 2:22:54 AM EDT
[#50]
Yeah, we know, but we just want to have a poser Tantal anyway 
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