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9/27/2008 5:07:15 AM EDT
Hi can anyone help with the id markings on my ak? The weapon is de-activated it has 3 settings on the selector lever SAFE, FULL AUTO, SINGLE SHOT, its has arabic style writing engraved on the gas block nad amongst other markings a 6 pointed star with possibly a "c" in the middle and a circle with possibly "74" in the centre these are next to the serial number hand engraved on the left hand side of pressed steel/riveted body the serial number starts 74/100 but im sure its a AKM not a AK74 as it 7.62mm
please help as im uk based and no one knows here
9/27/2008 5:29:30 AM EDT
[#1]
interesting......do you have any pics??
9/27/2008 5:54:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Welcome aboard - your description, while appreciated, really doesn't help at all.  Photos do speak a thousand words.  We'd have to know a little more about the actual weapon itself and photos would help tell the tale.  If it has Arabic selecto markings on the receiver and a six-pointed star stamp on a different part, then perhaps it was an Egyptian Maadi or even an Iraqi Tabuk captured by Israel and re-stamped somewhere with an Israeli stamp.  

Photos, man!  That way we can at least see what he have to work with.
9/28/2008 8:51:09 AM EDT
[#3]
i have photos just cant work out how to upload them...any ideas?
9/28/2008 9:04:38 AM EDT
[#4]

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i have photos just cant work out how to upload them...any ideas?


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9/28/2008 9:30:47 AM EDT
[#5]
sorted.. photos as requested hope they help especially what the arabic style writing means
http://s431.photobucket.com/albums/qq35/Blackops-akm/
9/28/2008 9:46:04 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
sorted.. photos as requested hope they help especially what the arabic style writing means
s431.photobucket.com/albums/qq35/Blackops-akm/
Okay, your fire control markings are cyrillic, so it's either Eastern-bloc or Russian. The arabic looks dremeled on, and it's hard to make out. But the first line is the chambering: " (uh)'seer 7,62x93 (sic) mm"
I'm not sure what the second line is ... "meej j 0 m-r 02" not sure what it means. I'm guessing a serial number

No idea about the six-pointed star. Hopefully smarter people will chime in next.
9/28/2008 8:50:32 PM EDT
[#7]
As I thought, you have an Egyptian Maadi AKM that was originally built with Russian AKM (Tula factory, to be more precise) parts.  

Your selector markings are Russian and your rear sight is Russian in the Tula factory style.  The Egyptians also used Tula factory AKM's to build their Egyptian Maadi AKM rifles from.  Also, if you look at the trunnion (where the serial numbers are), you can see the Maadi symbol.

I think your six-pointed star and serial number re-mark are the result of your rifle being a weapon captured by Israel (perhaps in Lebanon or from the confiscated PLO shipment onboard the infamous ship Israel seized).  If that's the case, Israel re-marked it and may have used it for operations or training, then later sold it off.  

Also, the original finish on the Egyptian Maadi is painted on.  Your Egyptian Maadi appears to have been given a parkerized or phosphate finish which the Israelis did when they re-arsenaled captured Kalashnikovs.

I'd have to go through my reference photos and information on my computer back home to compare the Israeli stampings they would do on the Kalashnikov rifles they captured and re-arsenaled.    

Here's some more information comparing your trunnion to another Maadi trunnion:

Yours:



Another Maadi:



And here's some Israeli re-arsenal marks on a captured bayonet - it's from the 1950's but it will help you get the idea:




Here's an auction showing the referenced Maadi parts kit you can use to compare parts:
www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=111419979

Hope that helps a little!


9/29/2008 1:37:41 PM EDT
[#8]
Fantastic bit of info, i have just checked under my rear sight and have the same markings as the one in the link you gave me, does this make my AKM interesting as the parts kit in the auction was described as rare? Its the first AK ive owned and so far ive found out more about it from here in the last few days than ive found out about my L1A1 SLR in 2 years....what bayonet would i have to get to keep with the egyptian/russian hybrid theme? many thanks again
9/29/2008 1:57:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Glad we could be of help.  You could use the Egyptian Maadi bayonet in either black or brown, or even a Russian Type II (orange bakelite style) bayonet as they used those as well.

We had several of these Egyptian Maadi (military version) come here into the US as kits from Israel after they seized some ships that contained large weapons shipments for the Palestinian Liberation Organization in Lebanon.  That's where almost all of the Russian, North Korean, and Egyptian AK kits come out of and used to sell for rather cheap many years ago.  Now, the "haves" can set the price on their kits for the "have nots" which is why they're seen rather pricey.  That, coupled with the unavailability of that particular rifle (Egyptian Maadi - military version) since there weren't that many, have made them quite a commodity.  

There's rumor that many East German and Egyptian kits will be released for sale by a vendor here in the states and some folks are reserving their money for that as they'll probably be a bit cheaper than the auction prices.
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