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Saiga Conversion Thread (Page 2 of 8)
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The fire control group, pistol grip, and buttstock is all you have to do, and it should be the same as the procedure I outline above. The only trouble I hear of is the hammer. The 308 hammer is a bit different, and some have said that a standard hammer that comes with a new FCG will not work properly. If that is the case, just use the original hammer and replace the gas piston for US parts compliance. But then again, others have said that they had no problem... YMMV! |
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How to install the BHO: To install, I pulled dental floss through the BHO opening in the receiver, threaded it through the loop in the spring, and back out the BHO opening. Then I pulled down really hard while pushing the trigger pin through the hole in the loop. 
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Things You Can Do With a Siaga .223 http://www.natejensen.com/saiga/coyote.jpg |
If it's a SAIGA-12 keep the BHO. While you have the gun apart for conversion, grind down the external lever on the BHO a little. I rounded the lever on mine and shortened it so that it's not in the way of my trigger finger. The BHO makes changing a mag mucho easier as you don't need three hands...MadDog(760) p.s. I built these tactical slings from the instructions on ar15.com! (actually I built 8 of them) |
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| anyone have success modifying AK mags to fit the saiga rather than modifying the rifle? |
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Ok, here's my plan for my saiga .308, hopefully I have this right. Advanced Technololy thumbhole stock...1 Tapco G2 trigger group.............................3 Tapco AK gas piston.................................1 total 5 My questions: Does it use the full length 6 1/4 in. gas piston? (I'm in Iraq and can't measure it myself) What other part would you all recomend if the hammer doesn't work and I have to use the russian one? Is the double hook trigger a problem on the .308 too? "edit" I was also planning on using the original saiga forend. |
| nice mag. did you splice it yourself? |
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Yes I did it myself. I found the information needed at Saiga-12.com. These are some great people with very good ideas. This is the thread explaining the procedure. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=6728 This is the thread I started before knowing about the Tech section. The procedure I used in explained there. I also want to ad that the mags are very tough. I tried to make a two round hunting mag, with the leftover parts. Mine held three, so I had to modify it again. The only way i could get the magazine apart, was to cut it. I twisted, bent, dropped, and threw it against the wall. It was'nt going to come apart. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=12512  enjoy |
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I'm converting my .308 Saiga, and I've run into some "issues". Some are addressed on the Saiga12 page and others, but they're worth mentioning here. The big one is the saftey. The stock fcg does not have the flipper linkage, but a long trigger. I'm replacing it with the G2 double hook, and my SAFTEY DOES NOT ENGAGE. The tab on the saftey has been ground down 1/16" or so. Tony at Tromix says a stock saftey will work, or weld up the existing and grind to fit. Second is the disconnector spring is larger diameter than g2, a stock replacement or overbore is needed. I'd rather change the spring. Don't bother harvesting it. Good luck, order more parts, and I still have to find a grip screw. |
| The above mentioned "hammer issue" on the .308- I had to file down a knob on the fwd side of the g2 hammer to clear the crossbar. The stock hammer is ground flat from the radius halfway up the hammer. Not sure how I feel about the single stage trigger, I think I'll buy at least one RSA adjustable. (I have a 7.62x39 left to do) |
| Good points, thanks. We knew there were issues with the 308 geometry being different. It's good to hear firsthand how things go. Please keep us posted. |
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out
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Here is my Saiga 7.62X39. I put a wood butt stock on it and painted the butt and fore stocks with truck bed liner to match. I like it...   Here it is at Bulletfest 2006 in Ohio...  Here it is taking a break with my SA-M7...  Take care, MEDIC-0372 |
| yes. 223/556 feed ramp is needed. You can get them from K-Var for about $12 I may have a spare laying around if you can't find one. |
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| I do not think so. See my tacked thread on Saiga parts counts. |
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out
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General education should not be mere training of the hands to work, but training of the mind to properly reason. http://www.welltrainedmind.com/classed.php
| This is open to interpretation, but the BATFE considers a "thumbhole" stock to be a pistol grip stock setup. Having said this, the addition of a PG "voids" the "sporting" designation that prevents the need to be 922r "parts count" compliant. Thus, if you add a thumbhole stock, you must be 922r compliant. IMHO, YMMV, etc. |
922r applies to only rifles that take high capacity magazines, thus the saiga is exempt provided it only takes the 10 rounders and has not been modified to accept standard AK pattern mags. See my tacked thread for background discussion. I suppose you could modify the high cap MAGS to work in the rifle and thus skirt the issue, but you'd be asking for it then. dumb as hell definitions by the BATF and pain in the ass. I honestly think the only folks that care about the issue is us. |
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out
General education should not be mere training of the hands to work, but training of the mind to properly reason. http://www.welltrainedmind.com/classed.php
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Ok, just to be on the safe side, I will need some clarification. I want to keep the original hand guard from the saiga. I plan on installing: Dragunov stock Trigger Hammer Disconnector The rifle will not be modified to accept high cap mags. Do I need more US parts or am I good to go? Chris |
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I do not think you need any US parts, for reasons stated in the parts count thread. But I am not the final authority, only a careful observer. |
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out
General education should not be mere training of the hands to work, but training of the mind to properly reason. http://www.welltrainedmind.com/classed.php
General education should not be mere training of the hands to work, but training of the mind to properly reason. http://www.welltrainedmind.com/classed.php
Actually, for purposes of the AWB a thumbhole was a PG, but for purposes of 922, it was not. They make thumbhole Saiga's anyway. |
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Once a thread hits the archive it cannot be "replied to" again and thus stays in the archive. But all the relevant information from the old one has been included in this thread, so you're not missing anything. did you have a particular question? I'd be glad to see if I can help. |
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out.
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It's like selling a child, but the rifle featured in this thread is now for sale in the EE www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=122&t=474325 sold! |
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Has anyone tried converting a Saiga legally using the Ace stock set? It should count as two parts, correct? Using it you should be able to use a handguard, and piston and get the parts count under 10. Strange afterthough. Does the parts count increase when adding a pistol grip? It's not originally on the rifle, so does that bring it up to 15 parts, or does the count stay at 14? I'm saying this because I'd like to be able to convert my Saiga back to stock configuration. (Yes, I have a real reason.) |
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Hey I ordered my Saiga 762 39 with a 20 inch barrel. I have been reading the conversion thread for awhile. This is what I plan on doing to mine. Tapco handle & M-4 stock ( 2 parts) New hand guard to make the rifle look like an AK ( 1 part) Surefire 30 round magazines ( 3 parts) I guess I will leave the standard 10 round magazine at home when the rifle goes to the range. I will post pictures of my brand new AK & its brother the Rock River AR-15 |
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1 ID 82-85 Fort Riley, KS
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3-32 Armor 2-67 Armor (M1IP & M1A1)
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For those who are interested in a "non-converted" Saiga you could take the route I chose. Pics are of a Saiga-308 and Saiga-12. The primary components are the Ace mounting block with allows you to utilize the factory trigger configuration. You must ensure you're parts count is up to speed once you complete this type of build but with the US pistol grip, stock and magazine (3 parts) you're safe. Add in a US made foregrip or muzzle attachment for safety. This allows me to utilize the weapon in a pistol grip/folding stock configuration while being able to readily revert back to the factory configuration. The Ace components have performed flawlessly and aside from the poor factory triggers...I'm very happy with the builds.      |
Interesting front end furniture on this one. Who makes that, and how do you like it? |
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Saiga's are excellent rifles, I love them. minutemanreview.blogspot.com/2008/08/saiga-ak-556.html 
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