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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:27:26 PM EDT
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I just got the email.
Is there anything functionally different between a square back and a slant back rifle after you buy a slant back adapter? |
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He may know that. I know that. But I just got (another) email from Centerfire today about VEPRs too. Their current prices make my buttcheeks clench. VEPRs are nice guns. Twelve hundred nice? That's debatable. Yeah, they were quite the bargain at 500-700, but after paying that it's hard to justify the current price in my mind at least....kinda want a 7.62x54R now but just don't want it 1200 bucks bad. ETA: And what's more, Centerfire is charging the same price for non-squareback receivers, they should be a bit less IMO, i'll wait it out, by summer this crap will have blown over, and there will be a glut of product on the market and prices will come way down. |
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Quoted: *shrugs* I bought a squareback 54r. Maybe a hundred fifty bucks overpriced, which in this environment isn't too horrible. For me, at least, the premium was worth beating a possible import ban and local ban. Plus, the slant adapters aren't free... Hey, I didn't mean to come across like an asshole about the price. It's steep but it's what it is now. If I hadn't bought a VEPR last year I'd bite the bullet and buy one now too. |
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As a point of reference, it was not long ago that vepr super was $2000. Once they began importing them again the prices dropped. One has to ask themselves if this price is soon to be the norm and get what you can now or gamble that some of this may blow over. I went through the 94 ban and remember all of this way too well. You just dont know.
Some of us remember the $69 milled SKS rifles. For $100 you could get a rifle and 1,000 rounds of ammo. We are all wishing we had dropped some major bucks on that stuff back then. Just like now, hi cap pistol mags were $100 after the ban. You can expect the same or more should something pass. Just sayin. |
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I don't remember Vepr's being $2000 ever, but hey maybe they were.
If there was a ban affecting these I could somewhat comprehend the inflated prices. But there is no ban as of yet, just a lot of fear mongering and greed. Personally I wouldn't pay $1200 for a Vepr even if there was a ban or law affecting them. |
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VEPRs were pretty damned expensive a few years ago, when nobody had been importing them for a while. People talked about them like they were the greatest AKs ever, in the same sort of tones you hear people use when talking about pre-ban Norincos.
Of course, now we know the truth, which is... well, they're still pretty good. And they're basically the only game in town for a modern 7.62x54R semi-auto rifle. If MOLOT ever goes under, or imports are ever cut off, you're not going to see many of those guns ever again. Also worth noting is that some of us are in states that _may_ pass a local ban. So some of the panic buying is legitimate. |
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Of course, now we know the truth, which is... well, they're still pretty good. Uh, mine are DAMN good, I have owned all of the above and my Vepr's are by far the finest of the lot, there's really no comparison to most of them, had an SGL-21 earlier in the year and was able to compare side-by-side, I sold the SGL, and have no idea why they ever sold for more than a Vepr other than the PITA that is the slant-back receiver. |
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Uh, mine are DAMN good, I have owned all of the above and my Vepr's are by far the finest of the lot, there's really no comparison to most of them, had an SGL-21 earlier in the year and was able to compare side-by-side, I sold the SGL, and have no idea why they ever sold for more than a Vepr other than the PITA that is the slant-back receiver. Oh, no doubt about it: when the squarebacks go back down to the ~$600 range, they'll be the rifles to beat for conversions. |
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I am very interested in a Vepr once the price drops a tad. One question though before I get one and start converting it. The older Veprs have a standard AK gas tube correct? And the newer Veprs with integrated sights have a gas tube that is an inch or so longer that an AK gas tube, correct? So, what are the options for replacing the Vepr handguard? I know CSS makes a slotted handguard....will that work on the new Vepr? Any other options?
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I am very interested in a Vepr once the price drops a tad. One question though before I get one and start converting it. The older Veprs have a standard AK gas tube correct? And the newer Veprs with integrated sights have a gas tube that is an inch or so longer that an AK gas tube, correct? So, what are the options for replacing the Vepr handguard? I know CSS makes a slotted handguard....will that work on the new Vepr? Any other options? Thanks New straight receiver 223 Vepr with CSS handguard. 
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I am very interested in a Vepr once the price drops a tad. One question though before I get one and start converting it. The older Veprs have a standard AK gas tube correct? And the newer Veprs with integrated sights have a gas tube that is an inch or so longer that an AK gas tube, correct? So, what are the options for replacing the Vepr handguard? I know CSS makes a slotted handguard....will that work on the new Vepr? Any other options? Thanks Not all new Vepr's have the integrated sight, I have both versions. |
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Hey Chad, howaya! That's one good looking rifle there. Thanks, I really don't care for folding stocks (although they look better). The forearm arrived today, it feels rock solid. I'm pretty happy with it. |
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My squareback VEPR 54R came in to the gun shop yesterday. The furniture was pretty damn rough - the basic shape is there, but it's going to require some quality time with sanding and refinishing.
My ultimate plan for the furniture: 1. Magpul PRS on RifleDynamics AK-to-AR adapter 2. Magpul AK grip 3. CSS forend IMHO, the real problem with the 54Rs is the lack of a dog leg mount - the dust cover is bigger than standard. The side mount is usable, but not my preference. |
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I am very interested in a Vepr once the price drops a tad. One question though before I get one and start converting it. The older Veprs have a standard AK gas tube correct? And the newer Veprs with integrated sights have a gas tube that is an inch or so longer that an AK gas tube, correct? So, what are the options for replacing the Vepr handguard? I know CSS makes a slotted handguard....will that work on the new Vepr? Any other options? Thanks Not all new Vepr's have the integrated sight, I have both versions. Do all squarebacks have integrated sights? Do all integrated sights have the longer gas tube? Thanks |
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He may know that. I know that. But I just got (another) email from Centerfire today about VEPRs too. Their current prices make my buttcheeks clench. VEPRs are nice guns. Twelve hundred nice? That's debatable. Have to agree here. IF Centerfire had to pay through the nose to get these due to the current panic, then I can understand their very high asking prices. However, IF they got these latest ones at about the same price as usual and are just trying to see how much they can gouge panicking customers, then they are acting like Cheaper Than Dirt. And yes, I understand how capitalism works. Hell, they can ask $2500 if they want to. It's their call. |
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He may know that. I know that. But I just got (another) email from Centerfire today about VEPRs too. Their current prices make my buttcheeks clench. VEPRs are nice guns. Twelve hundred nice? That's debatable. Have to agree here. IF Centerfire had to pay through the nose to get these due to the current panic, then I can understand their very high asking prices. However, IF they got these latest ones at about the same price as usual and are just trying to see how much they can gouge panicking customers, then they are acting like Cheaper Than Dirt. And yes, I understand how capitalism works. Hell, they can ask $2500 if they want to. It's their call. All very true, no way i'm a buyer of a Vepr or an SGL at 1200 bucks, not happening. That being said, I probably have 1200 into my x39 Vepr now.  But that's different, if they want to deck one out nice and offer it, that's a whole new ballgame.
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Quoted: Square back receiver 7.62x39 Veprs? I would imagine they exist but will they be readily available for purchase by us gun consumers in the US? Who the hell knows at this point.Think there will be any of these in 7.62x39? Email Blaine at Atlantic Firearms and see what he has to say, that's one of the things I would do if I was looking to buy one. |
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I ordered a square back VEPR 23" in 54R last week. I'd rather pay less but having worked in LE for three decades, with plenty of elbow time with Fed agencies, I know how easily the Feds can screw with you and imported stuff is a really easy target. Bush the First and Clinton showed how easy it is to shut guns/ammo from foreign lands with the stroke of a pen in the Oval Office at their whim. The current White House makes the previous prez's look like gun loving saints, therefore "military style" arms will are definitely a target for elimination. The radical left has tasted blood and this "is not going to blow over" contrary to hopeful thinking. Any guns or ammo being imported I'd get now if you haven't already.
Having said the above I ordered one. Got the integrated sight and 23" mainly for ease of modifying barrel length and threading the muzzle. Why 54R when .308 Win has been my mainstay .30 since 1972? Well, Bulgarian is still 18 cents a round, compare that to .223 Wolf etc IF you can find it currently. Having a 91/30 and a M44 already I started stocking up on ammo and an auto-rifle seemed the next progression. 
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Quoted:... Got the integrated sight and 23" mainly for ease of modifying barrel length and threading the muzzle. Why 54R when .308 Win has been my mainstay .30 since 1972? Well, Bulgarian is still 18 cents a round, compare that to .223 Wolf etc IF you can find it currently. ... You made a number of good decisions here in my humble opinion. I like the v.02 set-up, that's how I spec'd my 5.45 just as something different from the others I have in the metal box. One of these guys (I think Dragynn maybe?) did a nice job installing an after-market brake on the v.02 with no FSB to deal with. The taper of the barrel poses a minor challenge as was explained in his post.Ironically, with all the shortage of almost all types of ammo there are stellar deals right now on 7.62x54 Spam cans... they're all over the place for cheap. I hear the 54 is a blast to shoot too. I shot my wad (so to speak) last year buying guns, no more for me for a while but if I was going to buy another long gun it would be this exact one you just ordered. Pics when you get it home! |
I had a Saiga .308 a couple years ago. Fine working rifle but the 16" barrel's muzzle blast is not comfortable, so the 23" VEPR had another thing going for it. The M44's muzzle blast is a sight to behold at sundown but I'd much rather shoot the short range frangible Russian ammo. 
I currently waiting to jump a flight back to the States and it should be at my fav FFL when I get home. Will definitely post pics.
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