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2/10/2007 4:11:32 AM EDT
I'm thinking of getting a WASR-10.  Luckily for me, my local firing range rents guns and a WASR-10 happens to be one of them.  

I went out and fired the thing, and I'm not sure if what I experienced is the case for all AKs, or all WASR-10s.  When I fired, the butt stock gave a nice "slap" to the side of my face - along the right side of my manible, to be exact.

Is this normal of WASR-10s, or AKs in general?

More details:

- Shot with a wooden stock.
- Shot Wolf ammo.
- Used the iron sights (no scope, etc.)
- Rifle was held tightly into the hollow of my shoulder (just like any rifle/shotgun).

Thanks

_MaH
2/10/2007 4:57:29 AM EDT
[#1]
Sounds like to me you need to man-up...  



Seriously, sounds like you didn't have a good cheekweld.  Not sure what you're used to shooting, it could be because you haven't shot something as powerful as the 7.62x39mm that you're not used to it yet.
2/10/2007 5:08:31 AM EDT
[#2]
I haven't had an opportunity to shoot a WASR-10 but, the same thing happens to me with my Ruger red label 12 gauge.. still don't know why... but makes it uncomfortable to shoot... it's not a gun I grab much when heading out to the range because of that.. although I do hunt with it....doesn't happen with any of my other rifles or shotguns though..



2/10/2007 8:02:49 AM EDT
[#3]
I havent ever experienced this "slap" even when shooting my PSL let alone a AK in the lesser caliber. Is your cheek firmly welded (against)to the stock or are you laying your chin on the stock? if you are using a proper cheek weld and this slap still bothers you I would agree with ZWVIRTUAL and "Man Up"  or stick with a 22 cal. But it sounds like your not holding your check properly to the stock!
2/10/2007 8:20:29 AM EDT
[#4]
LOL, compared to my 50 BEOWULF the AK is a putty cat. I also have a Saiga 308 that is faily stout.
2/10/2007 8:46:01 AM EDT
[#5]
it's a rented gun, and it probably needs a new recoil spring if the recoil seems excessive.  try one of the other AKs and see if it kicks as bad to you.
2/10/2007 8:00:59 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Sounds like to me you need to man-up...  



Seriously, sounds like you didn't have a good cheekweld.  Not sure what you're used to shooting, it could be because you haven't shot something as powerful as the 7.62x39mm that you're not used to it yet.


Sounds like it might be the cheekweld.  I've fired plenty of rifles and shotguns before and never had a problem, I guess I'll just need to take a different approach to the AK.  It is an entirely different beast altogether, after all...

Also had a friend of mine show off his AK-74 chambered for 5.45x39.  I'm definitely interested in one of those now, too!  Less recoil than the .223 and the ballistics on it are niiiiiice!

Thanks guys, for your help and ridiculing my masculinity!

_MaH
2/10/2007 8:12:31 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Sounds like to me you need to man-up...  



Seriously, sounds like you didn't have a good cheekweld.  Not sure what you're used to shooting, it could be because you haven't shot something as powerful as the 7.62x39mm that you're not used to it yet.


Sounds like it might be the cheekweld.  I've fired plenty of rifles and shotguns before and never had a problem, I guess I'll just need to take a different approach to the AK.  It is an entirely different beast altogether, after all...

Also had a friend of mine show off his AK-74 chambered for 5.45x39.  I'm definitely interested in one of those now, too!  Less recoil than the .223 and the ballistics on it are niiiiiice!

Thanks guys, for your help and ridiculing my masculinity!

_MaH


here's a video of my 5.45 AK

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyTLqOxjBvQ
2/11/2007 12:17:04 AM EDT
[#8]
Grow a pair and welcome to the 7.62
2/11/2007 5:26:06 AM EDT
[#9]
7.62x39 sure isn't .223 but if you have the proper cheek weld and the weapon positioned right, recoil won't be a problem. You can also get a 1" thick rubber butt pad for them.
2/11/2007 2:29:42 PM EDT
[#10]
If you're still using a Warsaw pact stock, it's probably poor stock fit.  I got that length for a SAR1 and I started getting banged around.  Once I switched to a NATO length stock, it wasn't a problem.  This is from a guy who likes to burn through 100 rounds of 7.62x54R in a session, too.

jm
2/11/2007 2:35:13 PM EDT
[#11]
Quit being a pussy.

That's my technical advice.

ETA: That said I find the muzzle movement of a 7.62x39 AKM to be somewhat problematic in rapid fire, but painful it is not.

Buy a M44 Mosin-Nagant.  That'll be a cheap way for you to get over your AKM kick.
2/11/2007 4:15:00 PM EDT
[#12]
There was a guy over on The AK Forum that had a bad problem with his stock slapping him in the face.  His was a home build (I think) and it turned out that the ejector was too wide which forced the bolt to go off center and resulted in excessive slap to the face.

Here's the link to the thread...
www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14558
2/12/2007 11:14:31 AM EDT
[#13]
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Quoted:
If you're still using a Warsaw pact stock, it's probably poor stock fit.  I got that length for a SAR1 and I started getting banged around.  Once I switched to a NATO length stock, it wasn't a problem.  This is from a guy who likes to burn through 100 rounds of 7.62x54R in a session, too.

jm


This is probably the problem. When I first got my WASR it had a short stock and was uncomfortable to shoot.  I places your cheek way up on the stock closer to the receiver.

I replaced it with an ajustable one and have never had any problems since.
2/14/2007 4:59:45 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Buy a M44 Mosin-Nagant.  That'll be a cheap way for you to get over your AKM kick.


No joke. Shot a buddy's Mosins a couple times. Didn't shoulder an M38 right and it beat the crap out of me. 2nd time out was more careful how I shouldered them, and had no problems. Ended up going out & buying an M44.

Now I think I'm turning into a recoil junkie.

2/14/2007 5:51:42 PM EDT
[#15]
"Now I think I'm turning into a recoil junkie."

May be a .300 Win Mag in your future!

Of course there is always .50 cal if that ain't enough!
2/16/2007 7:56:43 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If you're still using a Warsaw pact stock, it's probably poor stock fit.  I got that length for a SAR1 and I started getting banged around.  Once I switched to a NATO length stock, it wasn't a problem.  This is from a guy who likes to burn through 100 rounds of 7.62x54R in a session, too.

jm


This is probably the problem. When I first got my WASR it had a short stock and was uncomfortable to shoot.  I places your cheek way up on the stock closer to the receiver.

I replaced it with an ajustable one and have never had any problems since.



I also have this problem with Warshaw length stocks.  By adding an inch or so extention
or getting a longer NATO length stock the problem goes away for me as well.
2/16/2007 8:39:12 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
If you're still using a Warsaw pact stock, it's probably poor stock fit.  I got that length for a SAR1 and I started getting banged around.  Once I switched to a NATO length stock, it wasn't a problem.  This is from a guy who likes to burn through 100 rounds of 7.62x54R in a session, too.

jm


This is probably the problem. When I first got my WASR it had a short stock and was uncomfortable to shoot.  I places your cheek way up on the stock closer to the receiver.

I replaced it with an ajustable one and have never had any problems since.



I also have this problem with Warshaw length stocks.  By adding an inch or so extention
or getting a longer NATO length stock the problem goes away for me as well.


I was thinking this was because of the WARSAW length of the stock.  I fired a 5.45x39 with a NATO length stock and didn't encounter the same problem (but that is more likely attributed to the lower power of the 5.45x39 cartridge).

_MaH
2/17/2007 8:20:58 AM EDT
[#18]
Tyrone say's its...









2/17/2007 5:08:23 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Tyrone say's its...
www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/Man_up.JPG

www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/little_jenny.JPG




Hah!  Actually i found out it's attributed to a loose stock.  I fired one of the other WASR-10s today and didn't get the same experience at all.  When i checked the stock of the other one (the one I shot before) it seemed to have a little "play" to it.  I figure that's the situation.

I think there's a few other problems with the thing because the magazine is stuck in it.  Takes like a pair of pliers to pry the thing out.

_MaH
2/18/2007 5:50:23 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Hah!  Actually i found out it's attributed to a loose stock.  I fired one of the other WASR-10s today and didn't get the same experience at all.  When i checked the stock of the other one (the one I shot before) it seemed to have a little "play" to it.  I figure that's the situation.

I think there's a few other problems with the thing because the magazine is stuck in it.  Takes like a pair of pliers to pry the thing out.

_MaH

sounds like time to get out the dremel and fix the mag well. monkeys at century didn't get it right.

did tightening the screws change how much the stock wobbles?

side story : my friend went out with me when i first got my wsar and i was letting him fire it. he was placing his face on top of the stock instead of tucking his face into the grove right behind the trunc. he kept getting kicked. took me a minute to figure out cause ever time i shot it was fine- i kept telling him to grow a pair. don't know if that was part of it as well or not.
2/19/2007 12:40:59 AM EDT
[#21]
I have a Maadi that the excessive recoil loosend the stock and batters the rear of the receiver.
It's safe mate, another Maadi is very gentle...normal.
An extra power recoil spring helped only somewhat.
The fact that it functions perfectly otherwise lowers it on my priority list of projects to address.
2/19/2007 5:36:59 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Tyrone say's its...
www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/Man_up.JPG

www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/little_jenny.JPG




Hah!  Actually i found out it's attributed to a loose stock.  I fired one of the other WASR-10s today and didn't get the same experience at all.  When i checked the stock of the other one (the one I shot before) it seemed to have a little "play" to it.  I figure that's the situation.

I think there's a few other problems with the thing because the magazine is stuck in it.  Takes like a pair of pliers to pry the thing out.

_MaH


Go here the magwell fix:
www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/wasrwell.htm

You can do it with a hand file but a dremmel is the way to go. If your screws for the stock won't tighten, stick a toothpick in the hole in the stock and tighten the screw in with it.
2/19/2007 5:12:13 PM EDT
[#23]
Sounds like the problem is just a pansy with too much rifle.
2/19/2007 5:42:44 PM EDT
[#24]
I'd go with the recoil spring theory. Easy to try out next time you're shooting with another AK...
2/20/2007 6:55:37 AM EDT
[#25]
height=8
Quoted:
I haven't had an opportunity to shoot a WASR-10 but, the same thing happens to me with my Ruger red label 12 gauge.. still don't know why... but makes it uncomfortable to shoot... it's not a gun I grab much when heading out to the range because of that.. although I do hunt with it....doesn't happen with any of my other rifles or shotguns though..

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Dude!  My Ruger Red Label does the same thing.  After a day of dove hunting with my Ruger, I look like Mike Tyson punched me in the side of the face a couple of times.

Great shooting gun, though.
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