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Posted: 7/7/2008 8:26:46 AM EDT
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Well, I'm new to the AK. Yesterday a few friends and I went to the Orlando Gun Show and I found a Poly Tech for $1295. I got'em down to $1045 before I bought it. Stamped straight receiver, 386 factory, 92-xxxx serial #. I've been really itchin to get an AK lately and was still in the process of doing some homework, but never would have thought that I'd end up with a Poly Tech at this early in the game. I bought it based upon a few factors, Gun shows only once every few months, elections on the horizon could be nasty to us gun owners, cost of this rifle and often rare to find a Poly Tech around here. However, I kinda have a feelin that I may have been duped... Well, a couple things I'm concerned about 1) The lower handguard has a bayonet cut and cleaning rod tunnel, but there is no bayonet or cleaning rod, not even a bayonet lug. 2) The muzzle has no brake and the circumfrence is a smaller diameter than the barrel behind the site. 3) The serial numbers and marking are all in white color, I never seen this before. Did I get punked on this one? |
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You may have been taken for a ride on the train known as the Rip Off Express by your description of the rifle. More deatails are needed like pictures. The white lettering was done by someone. That is not factory on chinese rifles. Sounds like the threads have been turned off and the bayo lug has been removed. You might have a neutered rifle caught in the ban back in the eary 90's. You should have only paid $400 for it by the sounds of things... We need pictures... |
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Should say "Poly Tech" & "made in China" somewhere! Also, should not have the 92 in the serial number. Get pics and we can tell how much you should have paid. Now if it's really a Poly Tech that was caught in the Ban period, then not a true Pre-Ban but still the Poly-Tech - Chinese made (Factory 386) manufacturing is still there. $700 - $900 "Pre-Ban" is only a Valuation status. Quality & Workmanship is still there. Trust me, I have several Pre-Ban AKs, Mak90s converted (922r complance parts) & Romanian Wasr 10s. My best shooter is a Wasr 10/63. But it is not worth as much as the Pre Ban & the market will only bring what the Wasr 10/63 will bare. |
DEAD giveaway is the "circle" above the stamping aka an OVERSTAMP model.Also looks like some dumbass scraped off the "mak 90" that was stamped there  Its a restamped MAK90 made by poly. Max value $700 and thats beyond generous. You got TAKEN, not to mention since its a post ban rifle with a pistol grip and buttstock, you are in violation of 922r. I'd get some USA parts on that ASAP, or take it back to where you got it and let them know you know they fucked you. Nice rifle for $500, not $1045 MUZZLE LOOKS LIKE IT IS POSSIBLY TURNED DOWN AKA THREADS CUT OFF SO THAT WILL MAKE IT A BITCH TO GET IT A SLANT ON IT. To prove my point, here is a picture of an EXACT gun just like yours with the stamping only this one hasn't been fucked with to remove the "mak90" leaving just the plain oval as yours has  |
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That is a beautiful condition MAK. It is worth probably $700ish Yeah, you got ripped off if it was represented as a preban, but on the other hand, it is the exact same gun as a Poly, except for the bayo lug and threading. Bottom line is that it is just as good quality as any you will find in the $600-$800 range. btw- you might want to get the required domestic parts added to stay withing the letter of the law. (although I have yet to hear of anyone prosecuted 922) |
| the guy who sold you that gun, ILLEGALY "CONSTRUCTED" a new firearm(changed its original configuration from thumbhole to PISTOL GRIP). He did NOT add US PARTS, that is violation of federal law 922(r), remind him of this VERY STRONGLY. He OBVIOUSLY knew what he was doing and did it intentionally considering he REMOVED the "mak90" stamp in the circle. Threaten to call the ATF if you must, just do what needs to be done to get this asshat to refund your money. I cannot stand gun dealers who SCAM newbies, which is clearly what he did. |
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You could possibly have justification for getting your money back on this I think due to the 922 compliancy issues. Maybe. I am sure next time you will be sure of what you are buying. I think the fact that the seller removed MAK-90 off the receiver he is in serious violation of some law. The seller obviously knew what he had and what he was doing. Like I said, no wonder you were able to get him down off of his asking price so easy. What a slime ball!! I would call the fucker back and tell him he must take the rifle back or be prepared for the ATF to come to his house. Be prepared to get ignored or have the phone hung up on you. Who did you buy the rifle from by the way??? Good luck on this one... |
Sadly, you got taken for a very bad ride. Certainly an expensive one but we've all been there (at least I have on a "cool" Dutch Beaumont rifle back in 1991... that had no available ammo to use as well as a Norinco MAK-90 I bought in 1992 that was sold to me for $450 as a "pre-ban" rifle before I knew what to look for  ).Granted these photos are of Norincos, but you're rifle should've looked similar to these:    Give a look here at some Polytech rifle reference material before you take-off on your Polytech hunt: www.chicom47.net/Pics/PolyTech/PolyTech.htm Do some checking on Gunbroker, AuctionArms, GunsAmerica, etc. and look at what's available out there and what it looks like. |
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Update! Called the guy who sold this to me, told him the problem. Of course he was defensive right away. Did a little 'back and forth' conversations (arguing). Eventually led to me saying that I am going to get this appraised and I will be in touch and that he really needs to consider taking this back after telling him about all of the facts abou this not being a real Polytech. About an hour went by and he called me saying that the gun has not been loggd from Sunday's sale transaction and then he asked me what I wanted to do. I told him that I was actually getting this rifle appraised as we speak and he ended up talking to the appraisor a little bit about the origin/history of this thing. So, I am mailing this rifle back to him for a refund. Turns out this thing has been seriously tampered with as far as trying to make it out to be a Polytech. The guys who appraised it for me really did a fine job and went to bat for me. Thanks to you all and the guys over at the gun shop I will be getting a ful refund. Thank you!!! Best Brian |
| If I were in this situation, there is no way I would mail the rifle back to the seller for a refund. At no time would I let him have both the money AND the rifle. I would insist on a face-to-face transfer at a mutually-agreeable location, preferably a gun-friendly location like a public shooting range. The first thing to keep in mind is the fact that this guy cannot be trusted. |
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...Sounds like you missed the part where everyone told you it is a "real" Poly-Tech. The dude illegally added the pistol grip, and it has no pre-ban parts, but it is still a Poly Technologies-made rifle. ETA: On the bright side, I bought one of these a month ago for $300 NIB. I never knew they were worth any more than that. |
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And if you have already sent the rifle to him, make sure that everything in the transaction (dates, times, places, people's telephone numbers, etc) have been documented. You will need these things when you take hime to court for his failure to pay you back. Dirtbags will be dirtbags. Guard yourself. (It was a pretty rifle though. I can see how you were taken in by it. Don't feel too bad bro) |
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