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Posted: 5/27/2007 8:28:27 PM EDT
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well i finally dove in and did it. I was tossing up whether to hold out for a saiga or just go with a wasr plus a few items. i got a fairly good deal on a wasr, so i went that route. i got it for $259 off of gunbroker, shipped and transfered. i could have gotten a saiga for the same price, but then i'm looking at $130 in extra parts just to get the pistol grip and skeleton stock, plus all the us made parts. from what i understand the wasr's are already 922 compliant, so when i change out the furniture i won't have to worry about replacing anything else. in a couple of months i might get a saiga, if i find one for a steal. so just out of ignorance, are the wasr's stamped or milled? |
Not if it is a thumbhole stock version or a low cap one. Then you still have to put US parts into it and possibly open the magwell. Got a link to the gunbroker auction so we can check out what you got? You asked all those questions in the other threads and then went with the cheap rifle anyway? Hope you didn't get a low cap WASR model as shown on Linx310's site. Previously you were asking about all those rail systems etc. Are you going to pimp out this rifle with all of that stuff? All WASRs are stamped. |
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Advice given, advice ignored. Usually, in my experience, the guys telling others to buy a WASR, that it is a perfectly good rifle, ends up being someone that has never owned a AK or AR type rifle before, has a very low budget, is usually very young and a new gun owner and is the type of person because of the previous reasons that doesn't want to hear anything bad of the firearm they chose because they just can't live with the fact that they bought something without doing the proper research first prior to buying the rifle. They usually own only one AK a WASR, are recent members to join here, have around 100 posts, have no experience working on AK rifles for the most part (if they did they wouldn't own only a WASR). There may be nothing wrong with a WASR, but then again the history of these rifles in the quality area is not the greatest. If you purchased one with a thumbhole stock it most likely doesn't have compliance parts in it. If it does, it will need more to remain legal once the thumbhole stock is removed or if you intend to use other mags in it as it may be one that uses two mag parts for compliance. You won't know any of this until you get the rifle and check it out. You haven't posted a link to the auction so no one here can help you figure out exactly what you will be getting. How much is the shipping above the purchase price of the rifle on the auction? How much is your FFL dealer charging you to transfer the rifle? Is the rifle one with a hi-cap magwell? Is it regular stocked or one of the thumbhole stocked lo-cap models?
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here it is the small cap version with the thumbhole stock. however i was reading on that site you posted that the ones that came in after the ban are us complaint. how do i tell if this one is that type? and what does the wasr 10/69 mean? specifically the /69? |
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I see nothing on that site showing that it is US compliant as regards to US parts. It would fall under the import rules like the SAIGA rifle most likely, accepting low cap mags only it most likely wouldn't need US parts. To see if it has US parts you would check to see if the fire control group is cast and marked with a C. Most likely not going to find it as it is a low cap thumbhole stocked rifle. Now if you lose the thumbhole stock or convert the rifle to hicap mags you need to install the US parts. You payed top dollar for a low cap rifle. SAIGA would have been a better choice even in the low cap configuration which could have been changed easily in the future without the need to cut the magwell opening. It is also not a new rifle but a used one sold on consignment. The ad says buyer pays actual shipping cost, $15.00 to $25.00 additional plus your FFL transfer fees. How much is your FFL charging you? Thread on converting, pictures on second page. Link to auction |
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yeah, well, my ffl "is no longer accepting transfers" i found a saiga on one of the sites you gave me, but the customer service so far was shite as best, so that's why i thought i was getting what i wanted to do for a tad cheaper. if i have to buy more us compliant parts it kinda ruins the idea. i honestly didn't want to spend top dollar for something that is rarely going to be used. i might still get the saiga though, if that site get's thier crap together. i sent them a fax saying i wanted to buy one, and included my ffl's license and what not, and they said they would be getting some in the following day and i was good to go. when i called to order one, they had only gotten three, and sold them all. even though they said i was in line for one. so now they don't know when they will get more and took it off thier site. there is a show this weekend, so if i find one for a good price i'll post it up. |
| do what MAK tells you.........buy the saiga.....actually do this when you hit the show check out a saiga....then go compare it to the quality of a WASR.........then post pics of the Saiga when you bring it home ok.......friends dont let friends buy shit, I am trying to be a friend |
| looks like the show isn't till the 16th. if stanleysproshop hasn't made good with me by then, i'll pick one up at the show. i really hate to say this, cause i normally don't do this, but i'm going to be a npb on gunbroker. the first time i've never gone through with something i've bid on and won. |
You went with the low cap, thumbhole stocked WASR? Oh DAMN, dude. How can I explain this? What's a good analogy? Ok, I was going to go with the Kia automobiles anaolgy, but I think I'll do the big TV analogy instead. You want a good home theater system. Your friend has one and it's totally kickass. So you go online to www.hometheaterforums.com and ask about what HDTV is best for the money, and got a bunch of responses from people who own big televisions and who run businesses selling big televisions. Some people tell you to buy a plasma screen, some people tell you to buy one that had DLP technology, etc. You read all their responses, but the plasma screen that everyone likes sounds kind of expensive. So then, you went to your local Walmart and you were heading to the electronics section but they had big televisions stacked up at a kiosk right by the entrance, really big ones, and they were about the same price, maybe a bit lower, than the ones the guys online were talking about. What a great deal, you got a big TV for cheap! You don't look at the features of the TV or even make it back to see what other TVs they have. You see the cheapest one and out comes your credit card. Somewhere in the world, a Chinese businessman laughs for no apparent reason. Now you're going to go back to www.hometheaterforums.com and post up about your purchase. Guess what they are going to tell you? That Walmart TV doesn't actually have HD. It looks just like those other big TVs you were looking at online, but you have to buy adapters and stuff to get your DVD player to work at the same time as your Playstation, and the picture will never be that good no matter what you do to it. By the time you've bought all the adapters and sound equipment to use as a crutch to make it somewhat like the TV you really wanted, you've spent more money than if you had just bought that plasma screen that a few knowledgeable people recommended. You now have a TV system with a fuzzy screen, adapters and wires going everywhere, and a sound system that was outdated before you bought it and had to be jury-rigged to work. Every time you watch it you think, my God, I spent a bunch of money on this and all I did was create the ultimate white-trash home theater system. Your friend is polite when you invite him over, but he's thinking the same thing. That's what a WASR-10 lowcap is. The super-white-trash, "I couldn't afford another $50 for the other cheap one that uses regular mags so I bought the cheapest thing possible that still looks like an AK" rifle. Put another way, If the AK-47 is a '72 Corvette, you just bought an Opel GT. Man are you in for a disappointment when you turn the key and start up its engine. If at all possible, get out of the transaction now. If not, go through with the transaction, get your rifle, then take it to the nearest gunshow and put a sign on it that says "ex special forces vietnam bringback AK-47 only $280" and hope to find someone else there that's as ignorant as you were when you made the purchase. Look for the 20 year old kid with the Scarface jacket and ball cap on sideways, he ought to get excited enough not to know what he's buying. |
| yeah, it'd probably help if i READ things for a change... read things completely that is. and quit rushing into things. i'm getting out of the transaction one way or another. like i said last post, i'm going to quit rushing and hold out for a saiga, and slowly trick it out. i'm going to go with basically everything that is shown in the saiga conversion walk through (skeleton stock, us pistol grip, bullet guide, and a fse fcg) but i'm eventually going to add an ultimak gas tube (the one with the rail) and have the front hand guard cut down and add a side and bottom rail to it (for flashlight and vfg) |
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