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Posted: 10/30/2006 8:31:50 AM EDT
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I'm wanting to make a serious attempt at zeroing in my SAM7. Basically I'm a horrible inconsistent shot with the gun and I want to make sure it isn't the sites that are causing the problem. I've seen really nice adjustable rear site (w/windage) like this on on k-var: http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16251&cat=307&page=1 But it is out of stock. Does anyone know where I might score a replacement rear site like this - so I can adjust windage without having to get that tool for the front site? Also considering replacing the front site post - or painting it with a bright color. |
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You are out of luck. Sight in your rifle at 25 meters (25 yards, close enough), with the rear set at 100 mark. 25 meter zero will be 100 meter zero. You can hit bulls eye at 25 yards with iron sights. I know you can. All ARFCOMers can. Man, you can hit it with a sling shot. |
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Well that sucks. I'm surprised it's so difficult to find one of these. I know tapco makes them but who wants to put a $5 plastic piece of junk on their $800 gun? I'll try sighting the gun in @25 yards but if I need to make a windage adjustment it would've been nice to have been able to do it with a simple click of a dial like the sites I've been looking for have. I know you can do it with the tool on the front sight but I was hoping to avoid that. As for me hitting a bulls eye at 25 yards with the sights as they are - nope. I'm horribly inconsistent. I can put a few clays up at about that range, hit the first two right away and then it takes 10 shots before I connect on the third. |
| In reality nobody adjusts the windage on an assault rifle after the sight-in with the ammo you're going to use. Therefore, you only have to use the front sight adjusting tool on the sight-in range trip. After that, you only need to set the rear sight for the range you're shooting. For windy shots over 100 yds, you may have to use some 'Kentucky Windage' - that means simply holding off the target the right amount to compensate for the wind. Even on an AR-15 A2 with the adjustable rear sight, it's not messed with after zero, particularly with the standard rifle or carbine - that's why the A1 had the windage adjustment that required a tool. You would be wasting your time and money with the adjustable rear sight, because you'd never adjust it after the sight-in. The AK was made to be used by uneducated troops. Once the front sight was set, there was theoretically no reason to adjust it, which is why the special tool is required. |
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If anyone has a link to the tool (TIA) I'll buy it then. I just thought it made more sense to get the rear site with the adjustable windage. The web page I'm using that details the procedure (http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/sightingin.html) recommends that. I guess in a way it doesn't matter that much. Winter is here in montuck and as a result I won't be able to hit the range for a while. And even then I'm not going to even bother trying to sight the gun in until I get a vice and a good solid surface. I simply don't trust myself to do it otherwise. |
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TAPCO has adjustment tools. The ones they had before were worthless and if you have one you can contact them and they will replace it with one that works. I've got a couple of the windage adjustable rear sights. One for 800 meters which I believe is for milled Bulgarian rifles and the Chinese rifles. One for 800 meter slide which is pictured. 1,000 meter one is for stamped. Did you check with Global Trades? Guess if there aren't going to be anymore then mine must be preban and worth more. The one pictured I don't even have installed on a rifle, I just took these pictures for a "how to remove/install sight" thread. Do you need one for 1,000 meters or 800 meters?  |
What do you need 1,000 or 800 meter one? Check your rifle. |
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Windage adjustable rear sights are mostly for making adjustments for wind. Zeroing the rifle is done with the rear sight centered, and the front sight adjusting tool should be used to adjust the front sight to bring the bullet impact to center. Then the rear sight windage adjustment is used to compensate for wind effects on any particular day. (The above statements may be argued and disagreed with) Of course, you can leave the front sight (left and right) setting alone, and just use the rear sight windage screw to bring the bullet impact to center. You will then have a rear sight that is off to one side when shooting in no wind conditions. This is okay if you don't mind constantly looking at the little vertical lines on the rear sight, that show how much you have the rear sight dialed out of center, showing the rear sight being off to one side. Buy the Vepr adjustable rear sight from Robinson Armament Co. I like mine. $19.95 and about $10 shipping (yeah, I know) http://www.ak47.com/products.asp?cat=12 CGohn |
(I wouldn't recommend a non-adjustable sight to someone asking for an adjustable sight without telling them why they needed to use what I was recommending) It looks just like the ones in the pictures above. The only difference might be the range markings being marked out to 300, not 800 or 1000. The sight notch is very tight, but for accuracy, that is a good thing. CGohn |
The rear sight slides blades are calibrated to different types of rifles. There are ones for RPK, milled and stamped rifles. One for an RPK is not going to work the greatest for a rifle which uses a sight blade calibrated at 100 to 1,000 meters like a stamped Romanian rifle. The blade on the RPK sight actually may be longer. The milled Bulgarian rifles use a rear sight blade with 100 to 800 meters. The sight blades for different caliber rifles may have variances in the blades for that caliber (notches set for the ranging of that caliber and possibly different barrel lengths). A blade made for a VEPR of a certain caliber may not be an exact exchange for another rifle. |
Absolutely, and clearly stated. Thank you for pointing out what I didn't mention. The law of unintended consequences. Compromise on getting a rear sight that has windage adjustment, and you might get a blade that is not calibrated for your cartridge or the sight radius on your rifle (the distance between your front and rear sight). CGohn |
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Just use 2 sockets and a c-clamp. ONe socket should be bigger than the front windage slide and one smaller. Put them on with the smaller on the side you want to drift in and the larger on the other. Put the c-clamp on an adjust. The cheap $7 one are cheap and bend. Look for a bweat one, about $25. |
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