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Posted: 8/12/2006 1:26:21 PM EDT
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I own a Romanian SAR-1 that I bought in 2001. With the expiration of the ban, I would like to do some things to make it more like a real AK, but I want to be absolutly sure that I am not breaking the law. I have a general understanding of 922r, but was wondering if someone had a link to more specific information. I was also wondering what parts on the SAR-1 are US made? |
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On the SAR-1 I believe the US parts are: fire control group pistol grip gas piston If you want to add a muzzle device you will need one more US part. With a muzzle device there are 16 parts to your SAR, without one there are 15, of which only 10 can be foreign made. Possible US parts are: furniture from K-Var etc magazines (3 parts) muzzle device (www.midwestarmory.com) Hope this helps |
How many people have been prosecuted on 922r violations? How many ATF agents even know what 922r is, without looking it up? Any case, based solely on a 922r violation would be laughed out of court. If you follow a silly law like 922r, what makes you think you will disobey the Big Ban? |
If you can show me anywhere ATF has published guidelines for complying with 922(r) for various firearms, then I will be inclined to pay attention to it. It's not in the FFL handbook or on ATF's web site. A copy of a letter to Tech Branch posted on someone's web site does not count, since it is not a legally binding document. |
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I am going to follow 922r, so back to my question. So my SAR-1 has US made: 1-Gas Piston 2-Pistol Grip 3-Trigger 4-Hammer 5-Sear My plan is to add a slant brake (US made from Midwest Armory) and a Romanian stock set with Romanian pistol grip (making me 1 part illegal). Am I right? |
YES - you would need to use 1 more US part. Is there any reason you feel you MUST use all Romanian stock parts? edit Iron Wood Designs makes some very nice stuff! www.ironwooddesigns.com/2aprod/1zAKproduct.html Please forgive the Barbarians who just want to bicker. 
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This is where it gets rediculous. Depending on who you talk to, mags count as foriegn parts as well. Don't use any foreign mags or you could be in violation of 922r!  If you change out the whole trigger group to a tapco G2, you should be good to go. |
I already bought a nice wood stock set with the front pistol grip on the handguards. As far as the pistol grip, I would love the Romnian bakelite grip just because I hate the way my current black plastic grip looks. It may sound stupid, but I think it throws off the look. Those Iron Wood stocks are very nice though. |
I have heard about the mags, but I feel akward about changing out mag parts to get compliant. Don't I already have a US made trigger group. If so, replacing it with the TAPCO wouldn't do any good. |
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The 16 countable parts in a AK with a muzzle device. No more than 10 of these parts may be imported. (1) Receiver (2) Barrel (3) Trunnion (4) Muzzle attachments (5) Bolt (6) Bolt carrier (7) Gas piston (8) Trigger (9) Hammer (10) Disconnecter (11) Buttstock (12) Pistol grip (13) Forearm handguards (14) Magazine body (15) Follower (16) Floorplate |
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Changing out Mag parts is a cheap alternative. You could use U.S. floorplates and followers=2 parts, U.S. FCG=3 parts, for a total of five, and you could use a Original Romanian stock set and still be compliant. You don't need six U.S. parts because your SAR1 don't have a Threaded Muzzle for a device. |
His plan is to add a muzzle device, so he will indeed need 6 US parts. |
My 6 US parts will be: 1-Slant Brake 2-Mag Plates 3-Piston 4-Trigger 5-Sear 6-Hammer Then I will be legal. |
You are correct sir. |
STG77, you do have a valid point. It doe's appear to be a bunch of inner Bureaucracy Bullshit, that would have no teeth in a Court of Law. But still, i would not want to go thru all that rigamarow. |
Another wrong answer. The SAR-1 came with a U.S. FCG. The addition of the mag makes no difference in a SAR-1 in original configuration as the U.S. parts are already installed. U.S. parts in a SAR-1 in original configuration are: FCG (3) Gas piston(1) pistol grip(1) some WASR rifles came with a US part in the magazine. Some rifles are sold with a pro-mag US made mag but not likely. You can ignore 922(r) if you must but recommending others ignore it is not a good idea. All importers are following it, builders are following it and it is advice like that that will bring about calls for another ban. Also may be a violation of the sites Code of Conduct. |
Absolutely in violation of CoC, and stupid to boot. |
In all honesty, someone is going to have to go through your rifle with a magnifying glass to tell if you are in compliance with 922r and that's not going to happen unless they really, really want to nail you for something. Only a few of the US made parts that I have seen are actually marked to indicate it and none of the foreign made ones are. Also 922r does not apply to ownership of a firearm. If you read the section all it mentions is the assembly of one. So just because you happen to be in possession of a firearm with less than the prescribed number of parts doesn't mean you are in violation of any laws. As best as I can tell the only way someone is going to get charged under 922r is if they have left a paper trail of purchases indicating that they assembled a noncompliant weapon, they do something really stupid to call attention to what they have done AND they also do something to really make the government scrutinize them closely. |
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I wasn't trying to advocate violating 922r, but rather just looking at it realistically. I don't think it serves any purpose to exagerate it's importance. It's the law, it has significant penalties and for the most part it is unenforced and unenforcable. All of my own weapons are 922r compliant, but if someone told me they had a rifle that wasn't, my response would be a big, "so what?" We've all seen them at gun shows, in shops and at the range. Like fireworks they may be illegal, but nothing ever seems to come of it. On the other hand if someone told me they had an unregistered silencer or machinegun, I'd tell them right away that if they were caught with it they'd be getting 5 years in the pen. |
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