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4/2/2004 6:26:24 AM EDT
I got my AK74 kit from ORF this week.  Never seen anything better!  New, New, New not a mark on it!  I don't think it had ever had a round in the chamber!
Now the question is which receiver is the best?  Please give me your opinions!
Sparky1
4/2/2004 9:43:43 AM EDT
[#1]
From what I gather the OOW ak-74 receiver is the best. It was actually designed for the '74.
4/2/2004 3:46:06 PM EDT
[#2]
Stay away from Hesse or Vulcan.....
4/2/2004 5:44:57 PM EDT
[#3]
All the talk I have heard is that the Vulcan receivers are the cat's ass.  Vulcan may make shitty builds but I have never heard a major complaint about their receivers.
4/2/2004 6:08:35 PM EDT
[#4]
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Our receiver shells are 1.6mm thick. (Standard shells offered in the US are only 1.0mm thick.) The reason for this is as follows: They are the strongest shells, rivaling the strength of the milled type. We plan to build heavier caliber types of this weapon in the future using this shell. In view of the fact the cost and time to build stamping dies is so great, we have managed to cover both bases by building a thicker shell to begin with. What this means to the independent builder is that they will only have to narrow their front and rear trunions approximately 0.6mm on each side before installation. We do this with a surface grinder and offer this service to you at a nominal charge along with any component riveting you may require.
4/2/2004 6:40:27 PM EDT
[#5]
Friz....

We been there and debated that! Too much work! Why the hell Arsenal is making a bastard size receiver is beyond me! Those who saw it at the ShotShow said even the sample was warped! Nope...looks like they gots themselves a loser there!

I found this part funny:

We plan to build heavier caliber types of this weapon in the future using this shell.
...just how are they going to accomplish this? make a .308 kurtz? A wildcat caliber AK.......  Only thing I can figure is they have a buttassload of Chinese trunions, etc and need something to do with them!

Until something better comes along I will stay with OOW.

BTW...I ran accross this pic of a Vulcan ejector after 100 rounds...

...need any more proof?
4/3/2004 2:14:05 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Why the hell Arsenal is making a bastard size receiver is beyond me!



1.6 mm = .062". They are doing it because it is less expensive to get standard 16 gauge sheet metal instead of metric sheet metal. That's my theory anyway...........

Mike

4/3/2004 5:12:17 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
BTW...I ran accross this pic of a Vulcan ejector after 100 rounds...



Just another Hesse/Vulcan horror story.
4/3/2004 2:55:48 PM EDT
[#8]
Looks like OOW is the only decent receiver on the market. In Range didn't seem to show much interest in building with Global Trades Receiver, he didn't say no but you could tell he would rather use OOW.  Some say the OOW doesn't have proper heat treatment.  What should I do with this great kit I have?  Are there other options that have not been talked about?
Sparky1
4/3/2004 8:22:06 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Looks like OOW is the only decent receiver on the market. In Range didn't seem to show much interest in building with Global Trades Receiver, he didn't say no but you could tell he would rather use OOW.  Some say the OOW doesn't have proper heat treatment.  What should I do with this great kit I have?  Are there other options that have not been talked about?
Sparky1



You could always spend a assload of cash and get a milled '74 receiver from The Firing Line.

I have yet to hear anything bad about those receivers.
4/3/2004 8:51:40 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I have yet to hear anything bad about those receivers.



I've heard nothing but praise.
4/4/2004 12:42:19 AM EDT
[#11]
I have an original Bulgarian milled simi receiver but I think they were for 7.62 x 39 and may not work correctly with the 74 kit so I would like to fine a good stamped receiver if I can.  Any other good stamped reveivers on the market?
Sparky1
4/4/2004 6:34:58 AM EDT
[#12]
Last I looked, Vulcan/Hesse was for 7.62 only, so things like mag well and ejectors need modding for 5.45.
OOW has hardening of the working holes, and I have not read any posts of one wearing out. Mine runs fine, and they're good enough for the SEAK.
4/4/2004 8:11:20 AM EDT
[#13]
Well its starting to look like OOW is the way I will go.  One good think the price is right!  Does the K-var plum pistol grip match the Bulgarian plum stock and HG?  Who makes the best side mount rail?
Sparky1
4/4/2004 9:37:50 AM EDT
[#14]
Buy a OOW reciever and have it heat treated by ak-103.com Thats Chris Butler of AK-USA. He did mine for $41.00 returned. It took a little while for it to get done maybe 6 weeks or so but it is now heat treated properly. $41.00 is preaty cheap insurance if you ask me.
4/4/2004 3:00:32 PM EDT
[#15]
If you have your OOW heat treated it will void the warrenty.  Something to keep in mind.  Inrange does not heat treat any OOW receivers when he builds full auto ak.  He heat treats the 3rd axis hole only.


I'll trade you a 74 receiver for that milled one you have.
4/4/2004 3:26:27 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
If you have your OOW heat treated it will void the warrenty.

If you heat treat it you wont need there warrenty.
4/4/2004 5:46:00 PM EDT
[#17]
Why waste the money when it is not necessary.
4/4/2004 6:10:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Heat treat don't heat treat, I feel a bit like a pin pong ball.  What do I get for my 40 bucks?  Sundance, thanks for the trade offer but I have two 7.62 kits that I could put with the Bulgarian milled receiver.  Well 1.75 kits, Gary G still has some of my parts and $200 of my money.  Just one more sad story!
Sparky1
4/4/2004 7:11:55 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Why waste the money when it is not necessary.

If it's not necessary why do the Russian's do it? The Bulgarian's the Chinese the Romanian's the Hungarian's? The list go's on and on. 100,000,000 commies can't be wrong. Just because a few builders here in the U.S. built with non-heat treated recievers does'nt make them right. Im not knocking any builders. All Im saying is the Commies didnt do anything without a very good reason. Call it a waste of money if you want but how many Ak's have been built that way? I think it's $40 well spent. Hell if it's money wasted I'll never know.  If it's money you should have spent youll know.
4/4/2004 7:42:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Yeah, they should be heat treated.  

There should be X and Y stampings as well, but those things aside, if Troy at Inrange can build an FA krink in 7.62 and blast away for thousands upon thousands of rounds with an OOW as is, then I'm not worried.  

I too prefer to stick to proven commie-spec, but we seem to have nothing but proof that a proper build can make it a non-issue.  
4/5/2004 5:06:45 PM EDT
[#21]
Ok, so if I heat treat an OOW receiver, should it be done after the trunions are installed or before?  
Sparky1
4/5/2004 5:35:49 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Ok, so if I heat treat an OOW receiver, should it be done after the trunions are installed or before?  
Sparky1

I heat treated mine before the trunion holes were drilled and before trunion installation.
4/5/2004 6:51:53 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why waste the money when it is not necessary.

If it's not necessary why do the Russian's do it? The Bulgarian's the Chinese the Romanian's the Hungarian's? The list go's on and on. 100,000,000 commies can't be wrong. Just because a few builders here in the U.S. built with non-heat treated recievers does'nt make them right. Im not knocking any builders. All Im saying is the Commies didnt do anything without a very good reason. Call it a waste of money if you want but how many Ak's have been built that way? I think it's $40 well spent. Hell if it's money wasted I'll never know.  If it's money you should have spent youll know.



The OOW are already heat treated at the pin holes.  No futher heat treating is necessary. Thus a waste of money and time.
When inrange adds the third hole, he only heat treats the third hole.  The SEAK was not offered with additional heat treating.

My guess on the commies is it is more cost effective to treat 1000's of receivers at a time in a oven rather than just the pin holes on each receiver. OOW is just a tad smaller.
4/5/2004 7:44:38 PM EDT
[#24]
Also, the Commies may heat treat the entire receiver because (the majority of the time), they are shooting in full-auto.  At least this is what I think.

Most of us who buy OOW receivers do not use them for full-auto, hence, the heat treatment is not entirely necessary.  But, I have nothing against someone who does it.  If they want to then they can.  

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