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Posted: 2/11/2004 6:41:57 AM EDT
| Ok I know it's not a tack driver, but keeping it in the black at 100 yards is a challange. I've shot Wolf and Yugo milsurp and can't get groups any smaller than 8" at 100 yards. Does anyone have an ammo suggestion? Does anyone have an SAR-1 that's more accurate? Do I have any recourse with Century, or should I just accept the beast as it is? TIA. |
| I have a SAR1 that shoots pretty damn good. At 100 yards I can hit a soda can on the first try every time. It wasnt like this when I bought it but it was about a 5 inch group. I took a carbine class with it and ran 900 rounds through it in 3 days. All I shoot is the bulk wolf I buy by the pallet. I was thinking of buying a second .30cal ak to bumpfire and do all the fun things with since mine seems to be a rarity. I actually bought a scope for it and have the scope rail but the scope turned out to be kaput and I cant find another one (bushnell 6-18x50 $100 at walmart) like it. Walmart hasnt had any in a while. I'd really like to get a concrete moa number for it but I'm not paying a boatload of money on a scope for it. |
| Some say there SAR1's can do 3"-4" MOA . I can't dispute that. I have two ea SAR1's .With wolf ammo its like 6"-8" . I have a Bulgarian Milled and its about 4" . I wouldn't worry about your rifle. As you know its not a sniper grade rifle. I really wouldn't want to HAVE to make a 200MM + shot that would save my life or a buddies life with one. But they are easy to maintain and normally very reliable. They are fun guns , I have many ,and enjoy them for what they are. A very reliable carbine.WD |
| New trigger will help or at least polishing yours will. If youre older, some optics will help - AK sights are a bitch on older eyes. Try some Barnaul ammo - Ive had good luck with it. Ive also found like LHD that accuracy improves over time with SAR's. I think mostly due to wearing down the burrs when the Romanian monkeys drill the gas port hole! |
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Based on the tests stuck in the ammo forum, you should be able to find 4moa; see ammo/gun combos listed there. Irons, rested, stock trigger, other situation issues? How well do you shoot another gun? If you are 4moa with a good AR then 8moa is right on for the SAR1. |
| There are a couple easy things you can do to improve your SAR1s performance.I always polish the top rails of the receiver,the part your bolt carrier rides on.Polish your FCG,especially the disconnector,you'll see where its getting hammered when you get it out.Try not to shoot your AK using the mag as a monopod.You will also find that the more you shoot it the better it will perform,sometimes the rifling has small burrs,lapping the bbl helps alot. |
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First of all thanks for all the information. RS39, I shoot service rifle class in HP and can clover leaf rounds at 200 yards with my AR and 700PSS. I figured it wasn't me, but wanted to get some input from other SAR owners. 4GMA and JOHNO, thanks for the heads up about the gas port and barrel. I'll try some lapping and check the crown. The strange thing is the groups don't get any bigger at 200 yards. They stay about 8". Once I've had a chance to do some work on the rifle I'll post the results. |
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You may want to just shoot it more before you grind metal. With the short sight radius care with sight alignment will pay off. I've had a PSO 1 on mine and the three round groups shot to zero it surprised me. With irons and a good sitting or prone it bangs a 12" plate at 300 yards. |
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Nice shooting! May be a sight picture issue, simply because my Swedes and M39s shoot the same groups at 50 and 100 on a roughly 8" bull. Maybe borrow a scope, see how it shoots, then go back to the irons. PS- I happen to be irons challenged (mod the optics forum for a reason) and my friggin CETME is the only gun I am naturally expert at with irons. My best AK irons groups come from a target with a + shaped image. Just lay the leaf/post on the lines and pull. A face-to-face conversation with Lew Tippie has at least raised my irons game from pathetic to mediocre. If it shoots well with a scope, consider peeps from Krebs or Mojo. |
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sgt, as a service rifle competitor...you know how to shoot. the limiting factors with the kalashinikov are the sights and ammunition. first, try barnaul ammunition. second, you might try shaving you front sight post and installing a red star arms trigger (trust me, your ar15 service rifle will be jealous of that trigger). last, do borrow a russian scope to try shooting for a group. with glass, sub 4" groups should be about right...maybe even sub-3" groups. another trick is to fit the gas tube a little loose. sa the gas tube gets hot it can cause vertical stringing. some guys go so far as to remove the cleaning rod, also. |
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Ammo selection has occured to me as Wold isn't the highest quality stuff out there. I'll give the Barnaul a try. I was going to try some commercial hunitng ammo because the bullets are much better, does anyone have any suggestions as to brand? The trigger group on this rifle is surprisingly light and crisp with no trigger slap, I'm going to wait to modify this. What does shaving the front sight do? Is it to reduce the diameter like a match sight? I have a rail scope mount for the AK, so I'll pop a scope on it and check that out. The gas tube fit is very tight on my rifle. I'll loosen it up and see if that dosen't releave some of the stress on the barrel. Now that you mention it, the non circular groupings I've ben getting look more like what you get out of a bolt gun that has too much stock tension on the barrel. |
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www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=54&t=56018 Some ammo help here. |
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Sgt, Just got back from the range to test fire 2 SAR1's (2003 version). Only accuracy mods were the trigger slap fix and some trigger parts polishing. We used barnaul HP ammo and the light was fading so seeing our black 3 inch targets was tough.. #1 SAR 1.0 X 1.7 inch groups at 50yards (off the bench). Had to adjust windage. Elevation - about 1.5 inchs high. #2 SAR .7 X.8 inch group at 50 yards (woo hoo - this is more accurate than most SAR1's Ive shot). Windage perfect and about 2 inches low - but this may be due more to the lack of light IMO. Incidentally, SAR#2 was the screwed up rifle of the 2 - canted rear sight (not the trunion but the sight itself which we fixed with some round filing to the hole) and the support bar/rivit had to be filed to get bulgy mags to fit. Canted gas block. Wood is also rougher and the gas port had visible burrs when looking from the muzzle. Other than fix the triggers and the problems with SAR#2 (left the gas block alone) all we did before shooting was run a patch down the bores to get the majority of the crap/oil out. Long story short. - fix your trigger pull if it needs it and try some barnaul. |
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