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Posted: 10/23/2015 3:55:20 PM EDT
| looking for a new AK if you had the choice between the two would you get a WASR or a RAS47? |
| i have read some pretty good things about the newer wasr coming into the country and im more inclined to go with one of those exspecially since Romania has cut off exports of these. Is there any other AK's on the market around $600 you guys would go with over a wasr? |
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For the money, definitely can't beat a WASR. I've owned 4, my first two I ended up trading to friends. The last two I'll keep cause they are the best 2 I've owned. One is an older 10/63 model but takes all different mags but does have some mag wobble. The last one is still on layaway at a local Gun store, but is a new 2013 production that I believe will be the nicest one I've owned.
Check your local pawn/Gun shops never know what you'll find |
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I just picked up a WASR at my FLGS. $675. I'm fairly impressed with it for the price. Sights & gas block are straight and it has a nice finish.
I've taken the blond front end furniture off and replaced it with some extra black polymer furniture, and will replace the buttstock with a Zhukov-S and the grip with a Magpul. Also I added on a Belrus side-rail optic mount and PWS FSC47 I had in the parts box, and will but a PA 30mm red dot on it. Should make a nice package. |
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Why do you think DDI is a step up? Because DDI is one of if not the only American manufacturer doing things right. They use unused Hungarian parts kits to assemble their guns, but their customer service, warranty, and attitude is 2nd to none. Their fenociting process that they use for their barrels and receivers shows promise as well, and they also take the time to zero the rifle and QC inspect it from the factory... I'm a recent DDI convert and fan myself...but I also purchased a brand new WASR yesterday as well. DDI Factory tour |
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I get what you’re saying about DDI’s positive intentions but I don’t see how showing promise and valuing customers is greater than 50 years worth of real world use.
You’re saying fenocite shows promise but that’s also another way of saying it’s unproven over the long term. Might bear out to be better but that’s unknown at this point. In terms of durability, I don’t see how it’s possible to say potential > long term results. |
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Because DDI is one of if not the only American manufacturer doing things right. They use unused Hungarian parts kits to assemble their guns |
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I get what you’re saying about DDI’s positive intentions but I don’t see how showing promise and valuing customers is greater than 50 years worth of real world use. You’re saying fenocite shows promise but that’s also another way of saying it’s unproven over the long term. Might bear out to be better but that’s unknown at this point. In terms of durability, I don’t see how it’s possible to say potential > long term results. Quoted:
I get what you’re saying about DDI’s positive intentions but I don’t see how showing promise and valuing customers is greater than 50 years worth of real world use. You’re saying fenocite shows promise but that’s also another way of saying it’s unproven over the long term. Might bear out to be better but that’s unknown at this point. In terms of durability, I don’t see how it’s possible to say potential > long term results. That's quite obvious...but you're making an issue out of a non issue. I simply said in so many words, "Go WASR, but don't rule out Saigas or DDI's for that matter, as they're also good options too." Is there anything wrong with that? Quoted:
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Because DDI is one of if not the only American manufacturer doing things right. They use unused Hungarian parts kits to assemble their guns Since the man is torn between a WASR and a RAS47, I assumed he was looking for something AKM-ish with wood or at the very least an AKM like gun. Since the Saiga is a tad different and maybe not necessarily the most "AK-newb" friendly choice for some people...I suggested also giving a look towards DDI. OP, if you have no issues with the cosmetics of a Saiga, or plan on threading or converting it maybe, it's the best option. Again...as far as American assembled AK's go, DDI is head and shoulders above the rest in this price segment, and shouldn't be counted out either. Otherwise if your choice is strictly between the WASR or RAS47...WASR all day every day. For the record, I own 3 Saigas converted myself, an Arsenal, Npap, Vepr, and a WASR. All good guns, and a DDI just happens to be my next purchase as well... |
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That's quite obvious...but you're making an issue out of a non issue. I simply said in so many words, "Go WASR, but don't rule out Saigas or DDI's for that matter, as they're also good options too." Is there anything wrong with that? Quoted:
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I get what you’re saying about DDI’s positive intentions but I don’t see how showing promise and valuing customers is greater than 50 years worth of real world use. You’re saying fenocite shows promise but that’s also another way of saying it’s unproven over the long term. Might bear out to be better but that’s unknown at this point. In terms of durability, I don’t see how it’s possible to say potential > long term results. That's quite obvious...but you're making an issue out of a non issue. I simply said in so many words, "Go WASR, but don't rule out Saigas or DDI's for that matter, as they're also good options too." Is there anything wrong with that? Not making an issue out of anything. Was trying to understand what you meant by, "Wasr or step up to a DDI for a little bit more." When most people read that, it implies DDI is a superior build. I wanted to understand what you meant b/c I didn't see how that was possible at this point. If you had actually written, "Go WASR, but don't rule out Saigas or DDI's...", I never would have asked the question. No worries, was just curious. |
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Not making an issue out of anything. Was trying to understand what you meant by, "Wasr or step up to a DDI for a little bit more." When most people read that, it implies DDI is a superior build. I wanted to understand what you meant b/c I didn't see how that was possible at this point. If you had actually written, "Go WASR, but don't rule out Saigas or DDI's...", I never would have asked the question. No worries, was just curious. Quoted:
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I get what you’re saying about DDI’s positive intentions but I don’t see how showing promise and valuing customers is greater than 50 years worth of real world use. You’re saying fenocite shows promise but that’s also another way of saying it’s unproven over the long term. Might bear out to be better but that’s unknown at this point. In terms of durability, I don’t see how it’s possible to say potential > long term results. That's quite obvious...but you're making an issue out of a non issue. I simply said in so many words, "Go WASR, but don't rule out Saigas or DDI's for that matter, as they're also good options too." Is there anything wrong with that? Not making an issue out of anything. Was trying to understand what you meant by, "Wasr or step up to a DDI for a little bit more." When most people read that, it implies DDI is a superior build. I wanted to understand what you meant b/c I didn't see how that was possible at this point. If you had actually written, "Go WASR, but don't rule out Saigas or DDI's...", I never would have asked the question. No worries, was just curious. It's debatable whether or not the DDI is superior to a WASR and vice versa...but the DDI is like at least $100 more than a WASR in most cases, hence the "step up" part of the comment. Based on what I've seen of a few DDI's so far, I wouldn't doubt that they are better rifles overall than most WASR's, but that's my opinion... |
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Yes, that’s an opinion.
DDI has been producing rifles since summer 2014. That’s not good or bad, it’s indeterminate. Sample size is too small to extrapolate much of anything about long term QC, durability, reliability, etc… They’re attempting to do good things. I’d say a more accurate assessment is TBD, revisit the conversation in 5 years…which, of course, is simply an opinion as well. |
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WASR easy...RAS47 has cast  trunnions.This. See above thread for some nice cracked trunnion pics from the RAS. Maybe one day Century will learn to build an AK....someday. PSA too. Can people not read blueprints/diagrams anymore? It's an EXTREMELY simple rifle, with very few parts and even less moving parts, it was designed this way specifically to be simple to manufacture. The Soviets did it on old shitty machinery, and Americans can't do it right on all the state-of-the-art crap we have now? 
Almost 70 years now the AK has been around, it's not like the info ON HOW TO DO IT RIGHT isn't out there. |
Even without the failed trunion in the above thread, would pick the WASR. Century blew it from the get go with their funky shaped gas block and lack of cleaning rod and rod retainer on the front site base. Bayonets are cool.[:D ] If your trunion blows at least you stick the bad guy as he's laughing at you
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This. See above thread for some nice cracked trunnion pics from the RAS. Maybe one day Century will learn to build an AK....someday. PSA too. Can people not read blueprints/diagrams anymore? It's an EXTREMELY simple rifle, with very few parts and even less moving parts, it was designed this way specifically to be simple to manufacture. The Soviets did it on old shitty machinery, and Americans can't do it right on all the state-of-the-art crap we have now?
Almost 70 years now the AK has been around, it's not like the info ON HOW TO DO IT RIGHT isn't out there. Quoted:
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WASR easy...RAS47 has cast trunnions.This. See above thread for some nice cracked trunnion pics from the RAS. Maybe one day Century will learn to build an AK....someday. PSA too. Can people not read blueprints/diagrams anymore? It's an EXTREMELY simple rifle, with very few parts and even less moving parts, it was designed this way specifically to be simple to manufacture. The Soviets did it on old shitty machinery, and Americans can't do it right on all the state-of-the-art crap we have now?
Almost 70 years now the AK has been around, it's not like the info ON HOW TO DO IT RIGHT isn't out there. We keep thinking we can do better than the commies when it comes to AKs. We can't. |
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We keep thinking we can do better than the commies when it comes to AKs. We can't. Quoted:
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WASR easy...RAS47 has cast trunnions.This. See above thread for some nice cracked trunnion pics from the RAS. Maybe one day Century will learn to build an AK....someday. PSA too. Can people not read blueprints/diagrams anymore? It's an EXTREMELY simple rifle, with very few parts and even less moving parts, it was designed this way specifically to be simple to manufacture. The Soviets did it on old shitty machinery, and Americans can't do it right on all the state-of-the-art crap we have now?
Almost 70 years now the AK has been around, it's not like the info ON HOW TO DO IT RIGHT isn't out there. We keep thinking we can do better than the commies when it comes to AKs. We can't. Oh, we definitely could. The American gun owner just won't pay the required price. |
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Oh, we definitely could. The American gun owner just won't pay the required price. Exactly this. Durable materials, no short cutting processes. Hand fitting. Hammer forge tooling which multiple manufacturers could source barrels from. We wouldn't break a sweat doing it. Price would make folks fall over sideways. |
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