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Posted: 4/12/2015 1:01:44 AM EDT
| I am considering he purchase of my first AK47 type rifle (7.62X39) and really would appreciate advice from members here. My realistic price range for an AK is not much more than $600 at this point. I have been reading here and a couple other sites and it appears that the WASR is not bad for the price. Is this correct? In addition, I have found a Yugo M70AB2 underfolder for a little less than $600, but it does not have a chrome lined barrel. Any thoughts on either of these rifles or perhaps any other recommendations? Thanks. |
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I'd get the WASR as long as you buy it from a respectable dealer or inspect it yourself for canted sights/rivet damage. A WASR will give you the most aftermarket options and should perform well.
The Zastava rifles have a mostly good reputation, but they have proprietary features compared to other AK's. Underfolders are not the best stocks option, unless you need the compactness. Otherwise I'd stay away from them. |
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I love my Yugo AK's I feel rather jaded as that are the only AK pattern rifles I own; some will say that they are heavy / over-built guns but My experience has been that they are the
best value in the commercial AK market; most other AK's at this price point are Warsaw pattered guns w/ a "feel" that is quite frankly lite. |
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The N PAP series has been very popular and is reasonably priced http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/npaprifle-12.jpg I like the looks of this rifle. How difficult would it be to change the stock on this model? |
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The N PAP series has been very popular and is reasonably priced http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/npaprifle-12.jpg I like the looks of this rifle. How difficult would it be to change the stock on this model? More difficult than with a WASR. Well, it's not more difficult, you'll just have a more limited selection of aftermarket stocks to choose from. The NPAP is a strong buy, but yugo-patterned rifles won't take most AKM parts. The WASR isn't as nice as the NPAP, but it will accept all standard AKM parts. The M70AB2 is a parts-kit gun (made in the US using a U.S. barrel and receiver). I have one and it's been fine, but an imported gun is the way to go. |
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More difficult than with a WASR. Well, it's not more difficult, you'll just have a more limited selection of aftermarket stocks to choose from. The NPAP is a strong buy, but yugo-patterned rifles won't take most AKM parts. The WASR isn't as nice as the NPAP, but it will accept all standard AKM parts. The M70AB2 is a parts-kit gun (made in the US using a U.S. barrel and receiver). I have one and it's been fine, but an imported gun is the way to go. Quoted:
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The N PAP series has been very popular and is reasonably priced http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/npaprifle-12.jpg I like the looks of this rifle. How difficult would it be to change the stock on this model? More difficult than with a WASR. Well, it's not more difficult, you'll just have a more limited selection of aftermarket stocks to choose from. The NPAP is a strong buy, but yugo-patterned rifles won't take most AKM parts. The WASR isn't as nice as the NPAP, but it will accept all standard AKM parts. The M70AB2 is a parts-kit gun (made in the US using a U.S. barrel and receiver). I have one and it's been fine, but an imported gun is the way to go. Thank you. This is what I needed, looks like the WASR is going to likely be my choice. |
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The N PAP series has been very popular and is reasonably priced http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/npaprifle-12.jpg I like the looks of this rifle. How difficult would it be to change the stock on this model? More difficult than with a WASR. Well, it's not more difficult, you'll just have a more limited selection of aftermarket stocks to choose from. The NPAP is a strong buy, but yugo-patterned rifles won't take most AKM parts. The WASR isn't as nice as the NPAP, but it will accept all standard AKM parts. The M70AB2 is a parts-kit gun (made in the US using a U.S. barrel and receiver). I have one and it's been fine, but an imported gun is the way to go. Thank you. This is what I needed, looks like the WASR is going to likely be my choice. The new WASRs are really nice, I just got one. |
Great little rifles the new WASR's, you're gonna have a blast. 
It took 15 days from date of order, but I finally got it home this evening and it appears to be assembled properly. I didn't notice any obvious cant to the front sight, the stock was installed straight and there were no other apparent visible defects to the rifle. One thing I must say is the trigger on this AK is very smooth. I think it is better than both of my AR-15 carbines. The two features I do not care for, however, are the short stock and the grip. The stock is simply far too short for me to properly shoulder and maintain a good sight picture. I will definitely be looking into some sort of adjustable stock. The grip is way too small for my caveman hands and I will also be replacing that as well. The finish is evenly applied, but it is obvious that it is going to wear quickly. I am quite surprised with how light the rifle feels. Very nice. At some point, I may consider a red dot, but I'm going to get used to the iron sights first. Overall, I'm happy with the WASR so far. I should be able to get it to the range on Friday to see how it shoots. |
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Warsaw stocks aren't too short, you just shoulder them differently  Maybe. Regardless of how I shoulder it, I cannot seem to get a decent weld with the buttstock. Seems like the butt itself isn't long enough from top to bottom. In other words, if the butt plate of the stock was longer, I would be able to shoulder it better? |
| I've been happy with both the Magpul and US Palm AK grips to replace the original grips. I also thought the stock was going to be to short on my first AK so I ordered it with the NATO length stock, 1.25" longer than the standard Warsaw length. It works fine for shooting without any gear but as soon as I put on a plate carrier it becomes a bit to long, serviceable but not as comfortable. Try the stock that came with it for a while, if you hate it the new Magpul Zhukov stock looks promising. |
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Adding the grenade butt pad will add an inch to the length of your stock, $10. If you happen to have a spare M4 stock & tube there's some cheap adapters as well. I did both to my WASR, didn't care for the M4 stock, mainly just for how it looked but I also had to set the butt of the M4 higher on my shoulder than the Warsaw stock and pad when using irons.
Wasn't there an earlier thread of someone making a cheek pad riser for the AK stocks? Or am I confusing my forums? |
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I only own a WASR10, but have played with other AKs. Underfolders are cool, but I don't like shooting them. The cheek weld was terrible. If I ever get a folding stock, I'd probably only consider the AK74 wide folder, the AK100 series side folder or maybe one of the US made side folders. As far as rifles go, I like my WASR10. It shoots 4MOA with shit ammo and shitty iron sights. I mounted a spare Aimpoint PRO to it and it's a lot of fun. I got an invite to go deer hunting this fall, and if I do, I'll be using this rifle. ETA: Before de-banning and stock refinishing.  After  |
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Quoted: The Midwest Industries red dot mount is what I'm looking at, but have not been able to find any in stock. Does the Aimpoint co-witness at all with the iron sights?  |
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That's a good looking gun. I agree with others about the stock. It isn't too short, you just shoulder it differently. Try raising your firing elbow up further and you'll see what I mean. Also, I think you're meant to square your shoulders to the target more than you would with a western style stock.
You can get original side folding stocks, but they're expensive now. All the same, I prefer them. Romanian, East German, and Polish are all the same pattern. http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30603 Here's a deal on mags: http://www.sgammo.com/product/762x39/30-round-ak-47-mag-excellent-new-condition-hungarian-military-surplus-steel-magazines Here's a starting point for ammo: http://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.62x39mm Sight tool. You need one. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/368914/ncstar-adjustable-front-sight-tool-ak-47-sks I like man purse mag carriers. https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1434760.htm |
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That's a good looking gun. I agree with others about the stock. It isn't too short, you just shoulder it differently. Try raising your firing elbow up further and you'll see what I mean. Also, I think you're meant to square your shoulders to the target more than you would with a western style stock. You can get original side folding stocks, but they're expensive now. All the same, I prefer them. Romanian, East German, and Polish are all the same pattern. http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30603 Here's a deal on mags: http://www.sgammo.com/product/762x39/30-round-ak-47-mag-excellent-new-condition-hungarian-military-surplus-steel-magazines Here's a starting point for ammo: http://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.62x39mm Sight tool. You need one. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/368914/ncstar-adjustable-front-sight-tool-ak-47-sks I like man purse mag carriers. https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1434760.htm Thanks. I don't care for the metal side folding stocks very much, but I did get a sight tool as soon as I placed the order for the rifle. I bought 500 rds of TulAmmo FMJ locally, but will likely be ordering more online soon. I also have a batch of magazines on order as well and should get them next week. To be honest, I think my biggest issue with the stock being so short, is because I am in a wheelchair and have to shoot from a sitting position, add to that the fact I have rotator cuff tears in both shoulders  . I believe an adjustable stock will fit me better, as I have found the same to work better with both of my AR15 carbines. I'm hoping this rifle doesn't have trigger slap, as it did not come with a G2 trigger.
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I was able to get to the range today (15-20 mph winds). I fired 120 rds of Tulammo FMJ and 90 rds of Wolf HP. The WASR had zero malfunctions using a combination of 1 Magpul MOE, 2 Tapco Intrafuse and two Korean steel mags (grey colored). It seemed to be pretty close to correct elevation at 25 yards, but required slight adjustment to the right, as it was impacting a little to the right, out of the box. The trigger pull, in my opinion, is perhaps almost too light. Not sure what normal trigger pull weight is for an AK, but this one is very light.
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I was able to get to the range today (15-20 mph winds ). I fired 120 rds of Tulammo FMJ and 90 rds of Wolf HP. The WASR had zero malfunctions using a combination of 1 Magpul MOE, 2 Tapco Intrafuse and two Korean steel mags (grey colored). It seemed to be pretty close to correct elevation at 25 yards, but required slight adjustment to the right, as it was impacting a little to the right, out of the box. The trigger pull, in my opinion, is perhaps almost too light. Not sure what normal trigger pull weight is for an AK, but this one is very light.AK triggers are pretty light in my experience. How was your accuracy with the WASR? |
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I was able to get to the range today (15-20 mph winds ). I fired 120 rds of Tulammo FMJ and 90 rds of Wolf HP. The WASR had zero malfunctions using a combination of 1 Magpul MOE, 2 Tapco Intrafuse and two Korean steel mags (grey colored). It seemed to be pretty close to correct elevation at 25 yards, but required slight adjustment to the right, as it was impacting a little to the right, out of the box. The trigger pull, in my opinion, is perhaps almost too light. Not sure what normal trigger pull weight is for an AK, but this one is very light.AK triggers are pretty light in my experience. How was your accuracy with the WASR? It was hard to get a good feel for accuracy due to the wind, but I was able to consistently hit some orange clay pigeons at 25-30 yards after getting the sights as close to zero as I could. I will get a better idea next time I go to the range. |
I finally have the WASR set up the way I want it. I installed a set of UTG PRO railed handguards, but don't like them so much. The rifle is better balanced with the wood handguards and I only tried them for trying to mount a light. I received my GG&G 30mm red dot mount this afternoon and mounted a spare Primary Arms 30mm red dot I bought last year when they were on sale. I hope to zero it after work one day this week. Any body have recommendations for mounting a light on an AK without the need for railed handguards? I would like to find something as onobtrusive as possible.
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Perfect! Thank you. |
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