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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:14:09 AM EDT
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I have 3 SLR rifles and 2 SGL rifles, and apart from the finish differences and the spring firing pin and heaver bolt in the Bulgarian they seem about the same.
The slr107fr has a chrome lined brake were as the sgl rifles I have do not. I consider the brakes to be more of an accessories though. The SLR rifles are built on the akm pattern were as the SGL rifles are built more on the 100 series. I have never seen a real review of the SGL vr the SLR from any of the top Youtube guys. I have read alot about the differences between the two series and the differences in there design. I'm thinking it would be cool to see a SLR 107fr vr a SGL21 94 review and which of the rifles Arsenal did a better job on. To the guys who also have both and shoot them alot it would be cool to hear you opinion. |
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I have a ton of both:
1 SLR-107F 1 SLR 106FR 1 SLR 106CR 3 SLR 105s 1 SGL 31-94 (in 105 config) 1 SGL 31-94 1 SGL 21-94 1 SGL 21-94 (In 104 Config) I had side-folder conversions done on the 104/105 and had him put a pistol grip plate on them, but most of the SLRs (save for 105s) have the plate installed. They all have CHF barrels, but to tell you the truth, it bugs me that the SGLs don't come with the plate. I know it's ridiculous, but I keep thinking I'm going to drop it with the stock folded and hit the handle and bend the receiver. The both shoot great, but the action on the SLRs seems to be smoother. Also, the 106s/107s have spring loaded firing pins, which can prevent slam fires. The finishes on all of them (save for the 105/104s) suck dick. Nothing else to it. They all shoot the same. I'd give an MOA figure, but the gun is more accurate than I am. for what it's worth. Here's the pron: SGL31-94 (105 clone) in current config: 
106s 
All the SGLs 
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I both SLR and SGL side folders. My choice would be the Bulgarian SLR. Here's why
SLR Advantages - Grip reinforcement plate (SGL's do not have them) - Reinforced ejector rail. SLR have dimpled ejectors. SGLs are flat - Chromed muzzle brakes - SGL have US made non-chrome brakes - Better availability of replacement parts (and cheaper too) - Spring loaded firing pin - Generally better built, particularly the receiver cuts for the side folder assembly. - More of the rifle is factory built (Arsenal being a subsidiary of Arsenal Bulgaria) SGL Advantages - Made by Izhmash where Grandpa Kalashinkov works (should count for something) - AK-100 design spec - latest and greatest (but scarce replacement parts) Everything else is about equal - metal quality, barrel, crappy finish (both have them). |
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As an owner of multiple SGL and SLR rifles, it comes down to what you want to do with the rifle. This SGL21-94 and SGL31-94 are perfect candidates for AK103 and AK74M clones. The SLR105 is perfect for late 70's through late 80's AK74 or AKS74 clone.
If your are not a purist, the differences in either rifles are not important. Accessories can be added and they will all work the same. |
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I have a SLR 107fr a 107cr and a 107ur. I plan on sbr the last two at some point.
I have a Arsenal marked SGL 31 94 and just got a Fime marked SGL 26 61. All have been 100% so far only put around 5 rounds through the ur just to check operation. The 26 61 has not been fired yet. Now that I have both sgl and slr in 7.62 I'll be able to shoot them side by side next range trip |
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I both SLR and SGL side folders. My choice would be the Bulgarian SLR. Here's why SLR Advantages - Grip reinforcement plate (SGL's do not have them) - Reinforced ejector rail. SLR have dimpled ejectors. SGLs are flat - Chromed muzzle brakes - SGL have US made non-chrome brakes - Better availability of replacement parts (and cheaper too) - Spring loaded firing pin - Generally better built, particularly the receiver cuts for the side folder assembly. - More of the rifle is factory built (Arsenal being a subsidiary of Arsenal Bulgaria) SGL Advantages - Made by Izhmash where Grandpa Kalashinkov works (should count for something) - AK-100 design spec - latest and greatest (but scarce replacement parts) For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. Everything else is about equal - metal quality, barrel, crappy finish (both have them). |
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I have a SLR 107fr a 107cr and a 107ur. I plan on sbr the last two at some point. I have a Arsenal marked SGL 31 94 and just got a Fime marked SGL 26 61. All have been 100% so far only put around 5 rounds through the ur just to check operation. The 26 61 has not been fired yet. Now that I have both sgl and slr in 7.62 I'll be able to shoot them side by side next range trip Huh? Why don't you do the side by side comparo video, then? Hahahahaha!! |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles.
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. There are SGL rifles with side folders I have one. The sgl 21 94 and the sgl 31 94 are side folders. |
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I have a SLR 107fr a 107cr and a 107ur. I plan on sbr the last two at some point. I have a Arsenal marked SGL 31 94 and just got a Fime marked SGL 26 61. All have been 100% so far only put around 5 rounds through the ur just to check operation. The 26 61 has not been fired yet. Now that I have both sgl and slr in 7.62 I'll be able to shoot them side by side next range trip Huh? Why don't you do the side by side comparo video, then? Hahahahaha!! Because it would suck. There are some really knowledgeable people out there on the ak platform I'm not one of them but I'm learning |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. There are SGL rifles with side folders I have one. The sgl 21 94 and the sgl 31 94 are side folders. The reason those guns don't have the PG plate is because Arsenal is to lazy to install it. Those folders are added here in the States. They left Izzy as fixed stock guns. |
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As an owner of multiple SGL and SLR rifles, it comes down to what you want to do with the rifle. This SGL21-94 and SGL31-94 are perfect candidates for AK103 and AK74M clones. The SLR105 is perfect for late 70's through late 80's AK74 or AKS74 clone. If your are not a purist, the differences in either rifles are not important. Accessories can be added and they will all work the same. This is a great summation. I have owned or own literally 25 or 30 of these guns and all required a little tweaking. I personally like the SLRs. Like USN said, it depends on what timeframe you are looking for in your AK. |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. Read the OP. He was asking about the SGL 21-94. Chrome lining is important. It's not a preference thing. The ONLY reason SGLs do not have them is because Arsenal/FIME decided its cheaper NOT to put chrome-lining on the brakes. It's also cheaper NOT to put the reinforcement plate. |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. There are SGL rifles with side folders I have one. The sgl 21 94 and the sgl 31 94 are side folders. Yes some models do. I was refering to the ones that wasnt. |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. There are SGL rifles with side folders I have one. The sgl 21 94 and the sgl 31 94 are side folders. The reason those guns don't have the PG plate is because Arsenal is to lazy to install it. Those folders are added here in the States. They left Izzy as fixed stock guns. Only the sidefolders require the plate. No need for one if it isnt a sidefolder. |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. Read the OP. He was asking about the SGL 21-94. Chrome lining is important. It's not a preference thing. The ONLY reason SGLs do not have them is because Arsenal/FIME decided its cheaper NOT to put chrome-lining on the brakes. It's also cheaper NOT to put the reinforcement plate. SLR VS SGL from what i see he posted. |
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I don't know which is better. I own a 107fr and feel like I got lucky finding the fr, seems like I see f's for sale,not as many 107fr's. Feel like its desirable now and will be more so in future. I had a chance a buy both and went with the F because I wanted lighter and the ability to fold If I ran an optic. I went with a TWS Dogleg |
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If SLR105s were still available that's what I'd buy.
SGL31s are competitive only because they're Russian and nice for people who want a 90% AK74M clone. Functionally, SLR105s are identical, and replacement parts are plentiful stateside. The discussion is kind of moot. There are no new SLR105s. There are also barely any new SGL31s. |
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I don't know which is better. I own a 107fr and feel like I got lucky finding the fr, seems like I see f's for sale,not as many 107fr's. Feel like its desirable now and will be more so in future. I had a chance a buy both and went with the F because I wanted lighter and the ability to fold If I ran an optic. I went with a TWS Dogleg Unless the F was much cheaper, I don't see any reason why you wouldn't want an FR. You know it will still fold and you can have the FR with the Dog Leg. You just have more mounting options. The optic mount is like 2 ounces. |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. Read the OP. He was asking about the SGL 21-94. Chrome lining is important. It's not a preference thing. The ONLY reason SGLs do not have them is because Arsenal/FIME decided its cheaper NOT to put chrome-lining on the brakes. It's also cheaper NOT to put the reinforcement plate. Arsenal cheap? Say it isn't so! I remember when the first "limited edition" SGL-31s came out. Chrome lined US brake, one thirty round mag, and the highly collectable wood grain Izzy box. Somehow that made it $200 or so more than a plain box, 5rd mag, and the same US brake only not chrome lined... |
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I don't know which is better. I own a 107fr and feel like I got lucky finding the fr, seems like I see f's for sale,not as many 107fr's. Feel like its desirable now and will be more so in future. I had a chance a buy both and went with the F because I wanted lighter and the ability to fold If I ran an optic. I went with a TWS Dogleg I just ate a burrito that weighs more than the difference between an F and an FR... |
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For your info: The SGL doesnt require a Grip Reinforcement plate because it is not a sidefolder, That plate is to reinforce the grip in case the rifle is dropped when the stock i folded. As far as chrome muzzle break that is just a preference, Replacement parts are just as easy maybe easier for the SGL, and the SGL is also factory built in the Izhmash factory with a Russian barrel and trunion and reciever so both are equally great rifles. Read the OP. He was asking about the SGL 21-94. Chrome lining is important. It's not a preference thing. The ONLY reason SGLs do not have them is because Arsenal/FIME decided its cheaper NOT to put chrome-lining on the brakes. It's also cheaper NOT to put the reinforcement plate. Arsenal cheap? Say it isn't so! I remember when the first "limited edition" SGL-31s came out. Chrome lined US brake, one thirty round mag, and the highly collectable wood grain Izzy box. Somehow that made it $200 or so more than a plain box, 5rd mag, and the same US brake only not chrome lined... I remember seeing that. Someone was actually hell bent on buying one because of the special box. I had Saiga sporters that came in those special wood grain boxes. The box looks like, well, a box. Up it went in the attic. |
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I don't know which is better. I own a 107fr and feel like I got lucky finding the fr, seems like I see f's for sale,not as many 107fr's. Feel like its desirable now and will be more so in future. I had a chance a buy both and went with the F because I wanted lighter and the ability to fold If I ran an optic. I went with a TWS Dogleg Unless the F was much cheaper, I don't see any reason why you wouldn't want an FR. You know it will still fold and you can have the FR with the Dog Leg. You just have more mounting options. The optic mount is like 2 ounces. I enjoy snicking the locking clamp on the side rail and pulling the lever to snug it up -- so basic and it has high gadget factor appeal. |
| I had a folder installed on my SGL21 and had a reinforcement plate added when they did so, I think it is a valuable upgrade and the part is like $10 from AK-Builder. I like my SGL21 a lot, but I like my SLR a bit more. Everything fits tighter and it seems to run a bit smoother, hard to say if that's in my head or not. lol |
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Quoted: I had a folder installed on my SGL21 and had a reinforcement plate added when they did so, I think it is a valuable upgrade and the part is like $10 from AK-Builder. I like my SGL21 a lot, but I like my SLR a bit more. Everything fits tighter and it seems to run a bit smoother, hard to say if that's in my head or not. lol it's in my head also, and I may be going out o n a limb, but I believe Zen feels the same way too along with several other guys I know from around here. |
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