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Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Here is the real deal Russian issued wood. http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t439/flyleaf556/IMG_1701_zps300ba9d1.jpg 
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Here is the real deal Russian issued wood. http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t439/flyleaf556/IMG_1701_zps300ba9d1.jpg
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Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Here is the real deal Russian issued wood. http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t439/flyleaf556/IMG_1701_zps300ba9d1.jpg DO WANT! |
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Originally Posted By plante74:
blahhhh i tried.. I need to find a set with better wood grain. This was originally the ugly flat brown Bulgarian finish. http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a567/plante74/f04ee52e-727c-43a5-ad6c-4a11ebde7486_zps3d260253.jpg http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a567/plante74/photo9_zps43526cfb.jpg Hey just curious but who built your Krink? |
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Originally Posted By plante74:
Tom Aikin (sp?) on last name. A local guy i think from NH. I bought the Krink from a friend and that's what he told me. I believe he only does screw builds.. The Tula kit that will hopefully someday get here is going to be riveted. Why do you ask? I have a Krink build as well that was done by screws but the screws were filled in and shaped to look like rivets. It was built on an ITM receiver, which i cant tell 100% but yours looks like it was too from the first picture. Looks like half a logo on the right side normally where they stamp them. You front trunnion also appears to be unmarked just like mine, or alteast thats how it looks from the second pic Mine was supposedly built by Ohio Rapid Firearms who are no longer around. Definitely 2 different builders. Regardless mine spits out lead just as good as any Just curious, thanks |
Wow, inspiring thread. Made me pull the AKMs to the front of the safe and order some new wood. 
Three things that have always had an allure to me: Soviet stock sets, Polish stock sets, and bakelite. This build has always had an identity crisis. It first had a plum K-Var stock set, then I put the wire folder and Romanian hand guards on it. 
Then I took the standard WASR hand guards off and put them on a battle field pickup I made for my dad. 
Then I decided I wanted to go the bakelite route. As much as I love the looks, it just doesn't have the character. 
So now, I've got a barreled receiver that's waiting for a new set of Polish hand guards from Apex and a Soviet pistol grip from Jestice. I still haven't figured out how I'm going to match the pg to the hand guards, but I'll keep you posted with pics once everything comes in. And since we all love pics, here's a Soviet SKS stock I did years ago. Just tung oil. It was a broken stock that I experimented on. 
Oil finish stripped, then amber shellac. 
And some cleaned up Romanian G wood from about five years ago. 
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Originally Posted By Sinatra:
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Originally Posted By Sinatra:
Here's a MAK 90 angle receiver "conversion" I just did. I put some IWD furniture on it and tried to replicate the Norinco factory finish. http://imageshack.us/a/img707/595/img0164001.jpg LIKE! |
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Originally Posted By Hueto:
That sks stock is incredible. Sinatra or Finn- do either of you have experience with the pine tar/garnet shellac on Polish laminate. And Finn, I think you have an 80% market share in Polish AKM sets. Really jealous. Sinatra does (pine tar). I did, sold a set this week to saigaman2. |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
my polish wood from this mornings shoot http://imageshack.us/a/img839/6955/img0589or.jpg I'm having a hard time following this thread, so pardon me if it's been covered already, but is that a refinished set or a factory oil finish? |
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Originally Posted By Hueto:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
my polish wood from this mornings shoot http://imageshack.us/a/img839/6955/img0589or.jpg I'm having a hard time following this thread, so pardon me if it's been covered already, but is that a refinished set or a factory oil finish? That is virgin untouched factory polish wood. Why I think polish wood has the potential to look better than soviet. |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Hueto:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
my polish wood from this mornings shoot http://imageshack.us/a/img839/6955/img0589or.jpg I'm having a hard time following this thread, so pardon me if it's been covered already, but is that a refinished set or a factory oil finish? That is virgin untouched factory polish wood. Why I think polish wood has the potential to look better than soviet. No argument from me. 
I should get my handguards tomorrow. |
Hand guards came in from Apex, and I just got the pg in from Jestice. Sucker looks brand new.
Now, if this were to go on the same rifle, would you: A) Strip pistol grip and finish to match oil finish of the hand guards, or B) Try to finish hand guards to match pg? Right now, I'm thinking of stripping the light oil off of the hand guards, and going the pine tar/garnet shellac route. I really dig the dark finish on this pistol grip. |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By JackalnHyde:
How do you gents keep the newly applied shellac finishes from bubbling off? Dont put too much on it And keep it out of the blazing sun. I fucked my RPK handguards up this way. Shit bubbled a little on the lines. Pretty upset. |
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Originally Posted By Sinatra:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-x7F-aMnk8J8/TuL2BYLs8fI/AAAAAAAAJzY/eZXhmV7bfCc/s1600/dig%2Bit.jpg 
Better pic not in direct sunlight 
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I like the color on that, nice! What grip is that? |
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Originally Posted By 55sixer:
I like the color on that, nice! What grip is that? ergo AK grip. Best one I've run across and I have tried many. |
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Originally Posted By topcote:
A polish Bakelite PG would really finish that rifle off nice. I've got one. But for actual shooting an not just pics I like the ergo. Geez now I need to put it on there and take new pics. |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By topcote:
A polish Bakelite PG would really finish that rifle off nice. I've got one. But for actual shooting an not just pics I like the ergo. Geez now I need to put it on there and take new pics. I was going to say something, but my phone crapped out. That ergo's doing your gun no favors.
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Originally Posted By Hueto:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By topcote:
A polish Bakelite PG would really finish that rifle off nice. I've got one. But for actual shooting an not just pics I like the ergo. Geez now I need to put it on there and take new pics. I was going to say something, but my phone crapped out. That ergo's doing your gun no favors.
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Finally got my Swede pine tar in the mail ( I bought the Auson dark from the one vendor on Amazon) and experimented on a spare Romanian stock last night. I didn't have much time, so I just rubbed some on and went to bed.
Bare stock that's been stripped of shellac and sanded with 120. Still could have used a good amount more work. 
Other side right after I smeared some on and worked it in. 
Tonight, I'm going to cut some down with spirits and try a soak. |
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Originally Posted By Hueto:
Finally got my Swede pine tar in the mail ( I bought the Auson dark from the one vendor on Amazon) and experimented on a spare Romanian stock last night. I didn't have much time, so I just rubbed some on and went to bed. Bare stock that's been stripped of shellac and sanded with 120. Still could have used a good amount more work. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2390_zps91fe50ed.jpg Other side right after I smeared some on and worked it in. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2391_zps3ec151c5.jpg Tonight, I'm going to cut some down with spirits and try a soak.
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Hueto:
Finally got my Swede pine tar in the mail ( I bought the Auson dark from the one vendor on Amazon) and experimented on a spare Romanian stock last night. I didn't have much time, so I just rubbed some on and went to bed. Bare stock that's been stripped of shellac and sanded with 120. Still could have used a good amount more work. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2390_zps91fe50ed.jpg Other side right after I smeared some on and worked it in. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2391_zps3ec151c5.jpg Tonight, I'm going to cut some down with spirits and try a soak.
Going to have to order me some of this. I forgot where I read it, but somebody mentioned the smell of burnt hotdogs. Hell, it could have been in reference to something else, but that's exactly what this stuff smells like. I thought it would smell like christmas trees. Nope. Burnt hotdogs and forest fire. I'm going to experiment with mineral spirits and maybe a drying agent before going after a Polish set. There were two places that listed it for sale, and I went with some place out of California, purchased through Amazon. I think I paid right at $40 shipped. The other place was $70 or so, but i think it was a gallon. It's hard to capture the "glow" that everyone talks about, but it's there. Pic from a lower angle. 
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Originally Posted By Hueto:
Finally got my Swede pine tar in the mail ( I bought the Auson dark from the one vendor on Amazon) and experimented on a spare Romanian stock last night. I didn't have much time, so I just rubbed some on and went to bed. Bare stock that's been stripped of shellac and sanded with 120. Still could have used a good amount more work. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2390_zps91fe50ed.jpg Other side right after I smeared some on and worked it in. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2391_zps3ec151c5.jpg Tonight, I'm going to cut some down with spirits and try a soak.
Going to have to order me some of this. I forgot where I read it, but somebody mentioned the smell of burnt hotdogs. Hell, it could have been in reference to something else, but that's exactly what this stuff smells like. I thought it would smell like christmas trees. Nope. Burnt hotdogs and forest fire. I'm going to experiment with mineral spirits and maybe a drying agent before going after a Polish set. There were two places that listed it for sale, and I went with some place out of California, purchased through Amazon. I think I paid right at $40 shipped. The other place was $70 or so, but i think it was a gallon. It's hard to capture the "glow" that everyone talks about, but it's there. Pic from a lower angle. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2392_zps79b0068c.jpg http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/dirt28/IMAG2389_zps768714a0.jpg That would be perfect for a Maadi |
I smeared on a heavy coat last night before bed, thinking more is better. Ended up just making it uglier than a standard Romanian G finish. Too dark, wouldn't bang. 
Last night 
After wiping excess this morning. As you can see, the extended soak saturated all the layers and killed what little contrast the Romanian laminate had. It brought the reds out, but all of the golden layers turned muddy. 
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I always got the best result by dipping a rag in the pine tar and then wiping down the furniture pretty well. You don't have to rub it in too much, just put a generous amount on. Then, place the furniture in a clear freezer bag (make sure it's sealed) and leave it in direct sunlight or in front of a heat lamp. Let the heat from your heat source bake the pine tar into the wood. This part is very important. Exposing the pine tar soaked furniture to your heat source for about 45-50 minutes leaves a nice golden color on the wood. If you want it to be darker, then leave it in for 60-70 minutes. The longer it's exposed to the heat source, the darker the wood gets. For Romy wood, it's best to go with a shorter time frame since that wood tends to come out on the dark side.
Once you achieve your desired color, wipe off all excess pine tar and let the furniture sit overnight. For the next 2-3 days you'll want to burnish the wood, once each day, with a lint free rag to remove any excess pine tar. After this you can apply the finish of your choice. I hope this helps. |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
So one coat? What's the dry time? Can you detail the process? Listen to Sinatra and not me. I just smeared it on and wiped it off. Just messing with the idea right now. I do plan on seeing what happens with a Bulgarian blonde 74 stock next. |
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Originally Posted By Sinatra:
I always got the best result by dipping a rag in the pine tar and then wiping down the furniture pretty well. You don't have to rub it in too much, just put a generous amount on. Then, place the furniture in a clear freezer bag (make sure it's sealed) and leave it in direct sunlight or in front of a heat lamp. Let the heat from your heat source bake the pine tar into the wood. This part is very important. Exposing the pine tar soaked furniture to your heat source for about 45-50 minutes leaves a nice golden color on the wood. If you want it to be darker, then leave it in for 60-70 minutes. The longer it's exposed to the heat source, the darker the wood gets. For Romy wood, it's best to go with a shorter time frame since that wood tends to come out on the dark side. Once you achieve your desired color, wipe off all excess pine tar and let the furniture sit overnight. For the next 2-3 days you'll want to burnish the wood, once each day, with a lint free rag to remove any excess pine tar. After this you can apply the finish of your choice. I hope this helps. Can this be sped up with a torch, like done on ski's |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Sinatra:
I always got the best result by dipping a rag in the pine tar and then wiping down the furniture pretty well. You don't have to rub it in too much, just put a generous amount on. Then, place the furniture in a clear freezer bag (make sure it's sealed) and leave it in direct sunlight or in front of a heat lamp. Let the heat from your heat source bake the pine tar into the wood. This part is very important. Exposing the pine tar soaked furniture to your heat source for about 45-50 minutes leaves a nice golden color on the wood. If you want it to be darker, then leave it in for 60-70 minutes. The longer it's exposed to the heat source, the darker the wood gets. For Romy wood, it's best to go with a shorter time frame since that wood tends to come out on the dark side. Once you achieve your desired color, wipe off all excess pine tar and let the furniture sit overnight. For the next 2-3 days you'll want to burnish the wood, once each day, with a lint free rag to remove any excess pine tar. After this you can apply the finish of your choice. I hope this helps. Can this be sped up with a torch, like done on ski's I've not tried that method, but it makes sense due to the fact that the heat "bakes" the PT into the wood. |
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Finally finished my stock but more pics tomarrow (if you want) when the suns out because the lighting totally changed it and it doesn't really look like these pictures.. haha. The grain on the front bottom hand guard is a really deep brown.??? the only hint of true I see is in the skinny part of the buttstock but i'll post more later.
I knew that I would regret not getting a solid wood but for the money im happy. The binding glues red hue kind of put me off but I knew it would. Also just the nature of laminate. If I could I would have all the pieces grains going the same way even though thats not normal for lam. i've seen it done. I didn't want russian, or chinese, or anything to typical. I was just going for what I liked. Anyway im totally happy and after ALOT of color testing (from pieces that his laith tried to eat) I achieved a nice rich brown. Its almost black in some spots, yet fading to nearly blond in others despite these pics. I used a combo of minwax's and watco danish. I had a blend of colors that took well to 300 grit. Then I dried, then sanded over down to 500 carefully (long story short) till it was about right, then hit it one more time, dried, then endless oil finishing (boring process took over two weeks). I was going to automotive clear coat but the samples from the guy put me off of it because it took away the rich look. Then I was going to spar urethane...but I cant bring myself to do that either because... well I hate that stuff. I can put a true glass finish w/ regular poly because im good w/ that stuff, but would have no U.V. protection that way. Now im stuck on what I could do for u.v. watcha think? I'll post a few more tomarrow if I can as these colors arent real good, or true through the monitor. All in all it made for a mean looking stick and I couldn't be happier. I better be for the hours of testing I put in! You like it okay?  </a>" />
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