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Posted: 11/26/2009 10:04:45 PM EDT
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Ive been kicking around the idea of pickup up one of those draco pistols while they are still around for a little project id like to do. I have wanted a short barreled ak for some time but rather than having one of mine chopped down and fucking with the gas system, it sounds much easier to have someone change out the rear trunion in on of the dracos and throw a stock on it. I found a very capable smith in my area so that wont be a problem.
However this would be my first SBR, and i know next to nothing about the tax stamp process other than it is lengthy. Could any of you point me in the right direction or provide a bit of info on the process? There is a gentlemen who works for the ATF that is a member at my local range, but i wont be making up up there for some time due to work and the holidays. |
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First make sure you are good to go on SBR's in your state. Then check this link out:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=199905 Then start the process and feed the addiction! It's really not hard, just takes some time getting it all done. Decide the route you want to go: corporation, trust, or individual. I go ind. as my sheriff is good to go. Go here to get the Form 1, the Citizenship form and request fingerprint cards: http://www.atf.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms ETA: Dont start working on the SBR part until your form 1 clears and you have the stamp back. Welcome to the addiction, I have a pending Draco form as we speak. |
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Right now 3-4 months is about average, some are sooner, some are waiting in their 8th month. Depends on the examiner it seems. NFA branch got blasted from the Obama-mania and are still working through the stacks of forms.
My last one was before November and was 5 weeks 
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No problemo man, glad to share. Guys here really helped me out getting my first SBR done so glad to help someone else out.
If you are on the fence about it, do it. I love short barreled rifles and they are hella fun to shoot. This will be my first AK sbr and I can't wait. It's fun as is but throw a folder stock on it and man that will be nice. Plus not having to dick with the gas system at all is a huge plus to me. SBR's are kinda unique too which makes it fun. In my opinion, it's worth the hassle. |
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I'm in the exact same situation except I already have one SBR, a V51p in 308. Just got the Draco and am considering SBRing as well.
Something to consider: In order to move the SBR around from location to location, depending on where you live it could be a hassle. If your SBR is going to leave the state, you must get BATFE permission. I live in KS but right next to the MO state line so for the most part, my SBR stays in KS and cannot freely cross the state line. I do have permission to transport my SBR to one shooting range in MO and to the airport which is in MO (filled out those forms for a one year time period) but that's about it. I just discovered this other range in MO that I want to go to so today I'll take all of my "regular" firearms but I have to leave the SBR at home until I fill out yet another form to get permission. Check to see if you have a prohibited state nearby. So about these forms, in my experience it hasn't really been a huge problem filling them out each and every year, but you end up with a book full of forms as I have plans to go to Nevada, Arizona, Alaska, and Colorado. Takes about a month turnaround to get a form approved if you do everything right. Couple times I wasn't specific enough on the "address" for where the SBR was staying and once I wasn't aware that MO required an FFL to take an SBR into their state (C&R will do). Now I have plans to go to Texas and last week, I had to fill out the forms and hope they come back before Christmas else my drive thru OK will be sans SBR. You don't have this problem with shotguns and handguns and rifles (for the most part). Second, today with my CCW I can travel with my Draco loaded in a briefcase or bag or under a blanket in my backseat because it's a pistol. Can't do that with the SBR. I believe correct me if I am wrong but an SBR can be your carry rifle. So maybe when I shoot the Draco pistol at the range, if it's not very pleasant (like it definitely was not fun with the V51p) it might be a no-brainer to SBR. The stock on the V51p is so much nicer and maybe that's Draco true as well. On a positive note, I had no problem with local LEO on individual SBR approval and I've never had a problem with my SBR and LEO across the country while I carry around my papers. In any case, I'm not ready to do this until next summer anyway, hoping to learn more for everyone here. :) Good luck! |
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ETA: Dont start working on the SBR part until your form 1 clears and you have the stamp back. Welcome to the addiction, I have a pending Draco form as we speak.
Why? Depending on what stock he goes with it will still be a pistol? And if he doesn't shoot it while he waits for his tax stamp it doesn't matter. |
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ETA: Dont start working on the SBR part until your form 1 clears and you have the stamp back. Welcome to the addiction, I have a pending Draco form as we speak.
Why? Depending on what stock he goes with it will still be a pistol? And if he doesn't shoot it while he waits for his tax stamp it doesn't matter. It would matter if he bolted any stock to it no matter if he shot it or not. |
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Read this post before you get started: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=356690
For me, I play it safe; I'm in no hurry and even if this takes a year, not a problem. But I wouldn't even "own" the parts much less have them in the same location. If you're going to do some cutting and drilling and it's still a pistol, that should be ok but just be careful unless you know for sure or you've checked with lawyer/batfe. Thanks hedonist: looking for a tennis racket case, now. :) Does it fit with 30rd mag in place? |
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It would matter if he bolted any stock to it no matter if he shot it or not.
I'm saying he might as well get the work done(If he doesn't plan on putting a U/F stock on it) Then he can still shoot it as it will still be a "pistol" I'm not following you bro, what work are you meaning? We were talking about SBRing it, which anything related to a attatching a stock or the ability to do so must be done after the Form 1 is approved. If the work you are talking about doesnt involve making it adaptable for a stock then yes. But anything that would enable it for a stock would be a no no. |
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It would matter if he bolted any stock to it no matter if he shot it or not.
I'm saying he might as well get the work done(If he doesn't plan on putting a U/F stock on it) Then he can still shoot it as it will still be a "pistol" I'm not following you bro, what work are you meaning? We were talking about SBRing it, which anything related to a attatching a stock or the ability to do so must be done after the Form 1 is approved. If the work you are talking about doesnt involve making it adaptable for a stock then yes. But anything that would enable it for a stock would be a no no. I was talking about getting another trunnion put on. Anyways after reading your post I must say that's a stupid rule. In that case put a bolt in one of the holes and tack weld a nut on 
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It would matter if he bolted any stock to it no matter if he shot it or not.
I'm saying he might as well get the work done(If he doesn't plan on putting a U/F stock on it) Then he can still shoot it as it will still be a "pistol" I'm not following you bro, what work are you meaning? We were talking about SBRing it, which anything related to a attatching a stock or the ability to do so must be done after the Form 1 is approved. If the work you are talking about doesnt involve making it adaptable for a stock then yes. But anything that would enable it for a stock would be a no no. I was talking about getting another trunnion put on. Anyways after reading your post I must say that's a stupid rule. In that case put a bolt in one of the holes and tack weld a nut on Yeah, unfortunately that's the way it is though. It's like waiting for Christmas for that form to come back though  .
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