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Posted: 11/18/2009 12:41:03 PM EDT
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US bayonets have the sharp end down, the reverse of an AK. When bayonet fighting, are soldiers equipped with AKs taught to hold the weapon upside down or do they have an entirely different technique? I am assuming their technique is different from ours. Anyone have any info or a link that shows their style?
No, I don't plan on holding off the zombie hordes at bayonet point. Bayonet training was one of my favorite things in OSUT years ago. I am just curious. Inquiry minds want to know. |
The bayonet is designed to convert the rifle into a device to mark the location of the user when he no longer needs the rifle. the technique is as follows: 1. Attach bayonet to the rifle. 2. Hold the rifle perpendicular to the ground, muzzle down. 3. Drive the bayonet into the ground as deep as possible in a convenient location near the former user. 4. Continue the mission.
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AK bayonets are not edge sharpened like most other bayonets, they are dull (and many have serrated cuts) to cause massive tissue and nerve damage. The bayonet will pierce flesh regardless of up/down orientation. I don't think that really does anything to help answer the OP's question. I believe the issue is revolving around why the bayonet is mounted with the blade edge facing upward considering the techniques those that have been in the US Army are taught. I've often wondered that, as well. I've posed that question to a couple of friends that were in the Russian military and they never knew how to answer it as it was just something that was done. I believe they did it that way due to their idea of the different thrusts and movements incorporated into their techniques. Here's a video of Chinese PLA soldiers doing some bayonet drills - notice some of their technqiues and how they could apply toward the mounting technique of having the blade facing upward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqBDbCR2gww&feature=PlayList&p=73F40E231E35CBB2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=18 |
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Slashing was primarily an American training technique. You could slash with the lower portion of the bayonet and be prepared for a thrusting strike immediately. I don't believe slashing really caught on in Soviet training, as they had the 91/30 and M44 with a cruciform bayonet that was only usable for stabbing. The training programs probably dictated what they needed in terms of gear and unending cannon fodder don't merit extensive training. Not to mention you get soldiers who try to use a bayonet as a field knife.
Now this is all conjecture, so take it as my two cents. But it makes sense to me. ETA notice in Raymans video they never make any sort of slashing motion after executing a buttstroke. |
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AK bayonets are not edge sharpened like most other bayonets, they are dull (and many have serrated cuts) to cause massive tissue and nerve damage. The bayonet will pierce flesh regardless of up/down orientation. I don't think that really does anything to help answer the OP's question. I believe the issue is revolving around why the bayonet is mounted with the blade edge facing upward considering the techniques those that have been in the US Army are taught. I've often wondered that, as well. I've posed that question to a couple of friends that were in the Russian military and they never knew how to answer it as it was just something that was done. I believe they did it that way due to their idea of the different thrusts and movements incorporated into their techniques. Here's a video of Chinese PLA soldiers doing some bayonet drills - notice some of their technqiues and how they could apply toward the mounting technique of having the blade facing upward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqBDbCR2gww&feature=PlayList&p=73F40E231E35CBB2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=18 Thought it answered it quite well. Being that there is no sharpened edge on AK bayonets, the orientation doesn't make any difference.................................... |
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The bayonet is designed to convert the rifle into a device to mark the location of the user when he no longer needs the rifle. the technique is as follows: 1. Attach bayonet to the rifle. 2. Hold the rifle perpendicular to the ground, muzzle down. 3. Drive the bayonet into the ground as deep as possible in a convenient location near the former user. 4. Continue the mission. I like this explanation very much. |
| I always thought the "in and up" was the purpose of the "sharp" (and i"m using that word loosely) portion of the AK bayonet being on top. A person can generally exert more force up than they can down, and that would put the sharper edge on the stronger side of any movements. But that's just what I always thought, doesn't mean it's correct. |
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I always thought the "in and up" was the purpose of the "sharp" (and i"m using that word loosely) portion of the AK bayonet being on top. A person can generally exert more force up than they can down, and that would put the sharper edge on the stronger side of any movements. But that's just what I always thought, doesn't mean it's correct. +1, My thoughts exactly. |
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The bayonet is designed to convert the rifle into a device to mark the location of the user when he no longer needs the rifle. the technique is as follows: 1. Attach bayonet to the rifle. 2. Hold the rifle perpendicular to the ground, muzzle down. 3. Drive the bayonet into the ground as deep as possible in a convenient location near the former user. 4. Continue the mission. I like this explanation very much. It's also an empty chamber indicater. A bayonet says, "I'm out of ammo". |
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One can still slash with a dull edge... remember the old adage about a dull knife being more dangerous than a sharp one.
Here's a video on some Russian bayonet fencing, the techniques look pretty orthodox to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dl3FEWrTg |
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