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Posted: 10/22/2009 11:58:55 AM EDT
Thought I would give a heads up on a subject never brought up on here before .seems the gunny "lock and load,with the gunny" is going to compare the ak-47 with the m-16,m-4 doing some tests with them.Looks like they are using a chinese ak (spike bayo folder). On the history channel Fri,@ten. enjoy.
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I've seen these "comparisons" before and regardless of which they pick, I made up my mind awhile back based on my experience. Me too. 10 years in the Army taught me that if I ever need to trust my life to a rifle, my preference is that it's not an M-16. Or at least, not an M-16 that is maintained to Army standards. 
(In fairness, the real problem with M-16's isn't the rifle itself. It's the way that the Army generally only replaces critical parts after they break, and not as routine maintenance.) |
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Yeah, I saw that advertised last night. Unfortunately, I'll be at my daughter's ball game and out recorder is on the blink so I'll miss it. Does anyone know when it'll be repeated, if it is? according to www.history.com it'll be on again saturday morning at 0200; odds are they'll be showing it later in the day on saturday as well. |
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Yeah, I saw that advertised last night. Unfortunately, I'll be at my daughter's ball game and out recorder is on the blink so I'll miss it. Does anyone know when it'll be repeated, if it is? according to www.history.com it'll be on again saturday morning at 0200; odds are they'll be showing it later in the day on saturday as well. Well, 0200 probably ain't gonna happen so hopefully I'll catch the repeat at some point. Gotta do something about a new recorder. |
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I caught the last 15 minutes of the show. The test was a crock. Didn't prove anything. AR was an old early M-16 with prong flash hider, no forward assist, and a bolt in the front pin position. AK was a folding bayo Chinese. AK won the field-strip contest. But Gunny called the AR the better designed because it was slower to take down and put back together. A better trained AR user would have done much better... but probably still lost. AK broke the cinder block, where AR punched a hole. AR hit the most in full auto. But this was more a test of the operator (as was the field stripping) than anything to do with inherent accuracy. Firing positions made a big difference in muzzle climb. Even then it was 13 hits for the AK and 19 for the AR. And did anyone else notice that the M1 Garand computer animation had some weird hybrid mechanism with the action spring behind the bolt? Oh... and 30-06 was not the first smokeless powder US rifle. And .303 British is a larger diameter than 30-06. Gunny got those both wrong. |
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Wow, what a complete waste of time. I could of been putting a plan together to try to get some off the wife,or something more productive then watching that,sorry.  While it's Gunny, it was a let down. I realized going into this, he would let America win everytime. |
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Aks not appropriate for his show? Is Scoutten a closet Zumbo type? No. More likely it is misplaced Not Invented Here Syndrome masquerading as pride in American Military. Anyhow, we have to remember that this is a TV show and it is meant to entertain the masses, the vast majority of whom have been indoctrinated for decades that the AK system is the weapon of our enemy. It's funny when Gunny and his producers get something wrong or forget a pertinent fact. James Paris Lee was a Scotts-born American gun designer. As in Lee-Navy, Lee-Metford, and Lee-Enfield. Lee also designed the first workable detachable box magazine in the 1870s. Gunny should have taken solace in the fact that an American designed the action of the rifle which beat the Springfield ( a modified German Mauser design) in his little speed test.
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snip... AK was a folding bayo Chinese. snip... AR hit the most in full auto. But this was more a test of the operator (as was the field stripping) than anything to do with inherent accuracy. Firing positions made a big difference in muzzle climb. Even then it was 13 hits for the AK and 19 for the AR. As per the AK in full auto, it wasn't even Chinese, though for the other two it was. The FA one they used appeared to be a Romy with a folding wire stock... thought slight of hand might work.... not so! |
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I watched both shows. The competition was done for fun, not to really prove anything. I thought it was interesting that the AK shot high so it shattered the top of the block. I wonder if it would have just made a hole if it would have hit center.
On the second show on the M16 I liked how they explained how the gunpowder they used when the rifle was tested was not used in the field which helped cause the jam problems. I also liked the shooting into the jell which showed a tumbleing affect. |
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