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Posted: 9/5/2009 10:16:20 PM EDT
| This goes for all firearms not just ak's but what is allowed back in country after you come back? I assume a lot's changed since the vietnam war policies as far as bringbacks? |
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If you want to bring back an AK bayo you need a letter from the commander. That's the interpretation by some CDR's. For Iraq, the actual rule is that the knife must have a scabbard. However, some CDR's also require a letter. Anything once owned by the enemy is considered a "war trophy". Most war trophies can go back with Soldiers as long as the commander approves. There is a memorandum that must accompany the item while it is in transport from the theater to the duty station. While the regulation states that all war trophies must have CDR approval, generaly, the only items that require the memo are weapons such as bayonets. The bayonet doesn't need a scabbard unless the unit commander himself dictates that. Firearms: No operational firearms can leave the theater of operation as a war trophy. However, if a Soldier wants to, he can have the firearm demilitarized by having a welder block the breach and muzzle and weld the bolt so that it cannot operate. It must then be inspected and have all of the proper paperwork completed. I have seen some units try to bring back operational AKs for training purposes. Not sure how that worked out for them, most likely it was too painful of a process. The firearm would have to be added to the units property book and there are a list of other requirements that would make it almost not worth it. |
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If you want to bring back an AK bayo you need a letter from the commander. That's the interpretation by some CDR's. For Iraq, the actual rule is that the knife must have a scabbard. However, some CDR's also require a letter. Anything once owned by the enemy is considered a "war trophy". Most war trophies can go back with Soldiers as long as the commander approves. There is a memorandum that must accompany the item while it is in transport from the theater to the duty station. While the regulation states that all war trophies must have CDR approval, generaly, the only items that require the memo are weapons such as bayonets. The bayonet doesn't need a scabbard unless the unit commander himself dictates that. Firearms: No operational firearms can leave the theater of operation as a war trophy. However, if a Soldier wants to, he can have the firearm demilitarized by having a welder block the breach and muzzle and weld the bolt so that it cannot operate. It must then be inspected and have all of the proper paperwork completed. I have seen some units try to bring back operational AKs for training purposes. Not sure how that worked out for them, most likely it was too painful of a process. The firearm would have to be added to the units property book and there are a list of other requirements that would make it almost not worth it. They won't let you cut a chunk out of the middle of the reciever instead of welding the bolt? |
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No weapons ro weapons parts. 100% correct... Military Customs in Kuwait checks everything before you leave the Middle East, to include running you through a metal detector before being allowed into a "clean area" for your flight. Also, Military Postal Service checks every box prior to excepting it from you. To be honest, I was just happy to leave Iraq with all my body parts still attached to my @$$... The longest 15 months in my life!!! |
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Quoted: Nothing but your ass. They don't allow you to bring back anything. Well maybe sand & rocks.  However you can bring back personal gear you purchased. Going into the AOR, I could have brought anything in that I wanted to. We were not searched/checked at all. Leaving the AOR; After our bags were emptied out for custom's, we had to shake them to show that we didn't have them full of rocks and dirt.... Full x-ray's of our gear and metal detectors for us... Only thing we didn't get were full body cavity searches. |
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No weapons ro weapons parts. 100% correct... Military Customs in Kuwait checks everything before you leave the Middle East, to include running you through a metal detector before being allowed into a "clean area" for your flight. Also, Military Postal Service checks every box prior to excepting it from you. To be honest, I was just happy to leave Iraq with all my body parts still attached to my @$$... The longest 15 months in my life!!! My brother, a commander in the Navy, just left Iraq last week, & is in Kuwait now for a week before returning to the US. He told me he really can't bring anything back with him. He explained all the inspections he has to go through & it's really not worth it considering all the time he has invested with Uncle Sam. Our family is so pleased that he got out in the same shape as he went in with, that's all that matters. It's really not over until his feet touch US soil, but that will be soon. As much as I might want a souvenir of Iraq, I just want my brother back in 1 piece. GARY N4KVE
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I tried to bring back a Makarov and was flatly told no by my chain of command. I was ordered to drop it off with the MPs. The MPs sent me to EOD. EOD blew it up…  We do that. i have some pictures that would make you cry. so many guns. so many M112 bocks. 
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Spoke to a Marine who was only able to bring his cleaning pack for his ar back and they go for 600.00!!!!???
And the way now I've understood the whole vietnam bringback thing is techn it was a no no but the sheer volume of people who did it they basically just said screw it and did the amnesty registration....Am I on the ball ? |
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Spoke to a Marine who was only able to bring his cleaning pack for his ar back and they go for 600.00!!!!??? And the way now I've understood the whole vietnam bringback thing is techn it was a no no but the sheer volume of people who did it they basically just said screw it and did the amnesty registration....Am I on the ball ? no,,,,more like $60. Its a Otis kit, dont get too excited |
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| When I was on Camp Pendleton we had a guy in a neighboring unit get caught with a russian grenade in his room. They made a point of telling us that he was taken straight to the brig and told us if we did have anything that we could put it in the amnesty box no questions asked. I have heard of people smuggling back RPGs and PKMs. The only thing I know of firsthand that people brought back were AK mags. Those were smuggled back. If you do try to take anything back you will probably have the book thrown at you and held up as an example to everyone else. |
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No weapons ro weapons parts. 100% correct... Military Customs in Kuwait checks everything before you leave the Middle East, to include running you through a metal detector before being allowed into a "clean area" for your flight. Also, Military Postal Service checks every box prior to excepting it from you. To be honest, I was just happy to leave Iraq with all my body parts still attached to my @$$... The longest 15 months in my life!!! My brother, a commander in the Navy, just left Iraq last week, & is in Kuwait now for a week before returning to the US. He told me he really can't bring anything back with him. He explained all the inspections he has to go through & it's really not worth it considering all the time he has invested with Uncle Sam. Our family is so pleased that he got out in the same shape as he went in with, that's all that matters. It's really not over until his feet touch US soil, but that will be soon. As much as I might want a souvenir of Iraq, I just want my brother back in 1 piece. GARY N4KVEToday his feet touched the ground in California. Thank you GOD. GARY N4KVE |
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Quoted: This goes for all firearms not just ak's but what is allowed back in country after you come back? I assume a lot's changed since the vietnam war policies as far as bringbacks? No Bringbacks, Period... Souvieners are limited to non-weapon/non-military stuff (eg, junk you can buy).... |
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And the way now I've understood the whole vietnam bringback thing is techn it was a no no but the sheer volume of people who did it they basically just said screw it and did the amnesty registration....Am I on the ball ? It was legal to bring back non-FA weapons. However, there was some paperwork that had to be submitted. Company clerks didn't like to do the paperwork. Don't ask me how I know.  People smuggled perfectly legal weapons (SKSs, bolt actions, TTs) just because they could't get the paperwork done.
The amnesty was part of GCA '68, not directly related to war trophies. |
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