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Posted: 3/19/2009 4:32:04 PM EDT
| Assuming they are priced the same, can somebody compare these two rifles for me and recommend one? |
| The muzzle brake on the AMD-65 is unique in the AK world, whereas the WASR uses a regular plain ol slant brake. The AMD brake puts out a HUGE fireball that can easily be seen in daylight and a VERY loud boom! Now of course you could just get a WASR and put on an AMD brake.... |
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The AMD's for sale currently from TGI with FEG receivers do not have enough compliance parts for foreign mags.
Also, some people have reported that the tack weld on the brake can come loose. In other words, there are probably assloads of people out there unknowingly breaking the law when they picked up their AMD from the gun store went home and stuck in a foreign mag. Not all of them are built on FEG receivers, but I have seen a lot of them lately in stores and at the distributors online. |
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amd 65 is a toy, worse ergos and awkward brake. get the wasr unless you flip the amd for a profit Go to your room. The AMD-65 is above and beyond the WASR in every fashion. You honestly can't compare the two. This. Hungarian QC is far better than pre-1976 Romanian rifles. You haven't said who made the AMD or the receiver. A hacker home builder can trash even a Russian rifle kit. |
If you're talking about the AMD from TN guns on an FEG reciever,.................there is no comparision. Yes the FEG AMD 65 has a few shortcommings but nothing that a little TLC can't fix. It is a damn Great chance to get a Hungarian built AMD 65 on a real Hungarian reciever. I added a surefire G2 to mine and recently used it to help a Friend secure his Business. Its also earned its place as my "Jeep Gun". 
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If you're talking about the AMD from TN guns on an FEG reciever,.................there is no comparision. Yes the FEG AMD 65 has a few shortcommings but nothing that a little TLC can't fix. It is a damn Great chance to get a Hungarian built AMD 65 on a real Hungarian reciever. I added a surefire G2 to mine and recently used it to help a Friend secure his Business. Its also earned its place as my "Jeep Gun".
I saw your pictures on the AK Forum also and that looks awesome! So were these originally single stack that were opened up or what? I shouldn't be spending the money but I am tempted to get one from AIM before they go out of stock. |
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If you're talking about the AMD from TN guns on an FEG reciever,.................there is no comparision. Yes the FEG AMD 65 has a few shortcommings but nothing that a little TLC can't fix. It is a damn Great chance to get a Hungarian built AMD 65 on a real Hungarian reciever. I added a surefire G2 to mine and recently used it to help a Friend secure his Business. Its also earned its place as my "Jeep Gun".
I saw your pictures on the AK Forum also and that looks awesome! So were these originally single stack that were opened up or what? I shouldn't be spending the money but I am tempted to get one from AIM before they go out of stock. Yes, opened up single stacks, its my understanding, they're imported as built rifles and the FCG, muzzle extension and high cap conversion are done by TGI. Mine has some mag wobble but it functions fine with every beat up mag I've tried in it so I don't consider this an issue. I cut the slot and installed a sling loop yesterday, I'll try to get pics up when I get back home. |
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What is better about the AMD? Is it more reliable? more durable? All AK's properly built are reliable. What makes the Hungarian stuff stand out is the quality of the machine work. It's top shelf. Hey, someone else that noticed the same thing I did! BINGO! BulletBait hit the nail on the head. |
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I mean, do people really have problems with defective tack weld jobs on the muzzle brake?
I'm seriously thinking about getting one after I sold my non-FEG receiver version some time ago. Thinking about putting a US made SAW grip and Crapco handguard for 2 addt'l compliance parts and enough to put milsurp mags on, assuming at least the FCG and gas piston are US made. |
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You consider the AMD top shelf? Really? That's not glorifying the rifle at all? No. I'd put it right next to Polish and Russian. What makes people go crazy for the Russian stuff is the rarity/forbidden factor while AMD's are almost as common as Romy Gs. What's your list? |
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I mean, do people really have problems with defective tack weld jobs on the muzzle brake? I'm seriously thinking about getting one after I sold my non-FEG receiver version some time ago. Thinking about putting a US made SAW grip and Crapco handguard for 2 addt'l compliance parts and enough to put milsurp mags on, assuming at least the FCG and gas piston are US made. The extended muzzle brake or US barrel (depending on which parts kit it came from ) brings my likely US parts count to 5.
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You consider the AMD top shelf? Really? That's not glorifying the rifle at all? No. I'd put it right next to Polish and Russian. What makes people go crazy for the Russian stuff is the rarity/forbidden factor while AMD's are almost as common as Romy Gs. What's your list? I have a pre and post ban SA-85 and they are my nicest AK's of the 5 I have. The FEG receiver machine work and fit and finish are as nice as the Arsenals I have had mine next too and they shot just as well and as accurate. The fit and finish of the FEG AMD next to a wasr is night and day. If you like the shorter rifle and big brake it will be a nice rifle. I had a WASR once and it was also a great shooter but it wasn't as accurate and the finish sucked. If you do get the AMD the Hungarian rifle section on this forum is a good resource. |
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I have a pre and post ban SA-85 and they are my nicest AK's of the 5 I have. The FEG receiver machine work and fit and finish are as nice as the Arsenals I have had mine next too and they shot just as well and as accurate. The fit and finish of the FEG AMD next to a wasr is night and day. If you like the shorter rifle and big brake it will be a nice rifle. I had a WASR once and it was also a great shooter but it wasn't as accurate and the finish sucked. If you do get the AMD the Hungarian rifle section on this forum is a good resource. I am willing to bet that your pre-ban SA-85 has a much nicer finish than a lot of Arsenals save maybe some of the milled variants. Although it looks good overall, my SLR-107CR has grit in the paint finish and is not what I would consider great. I have seen several others that look like this as well. |
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If you're talking about the AMD from TN guns on an FEG reciever,.................there is no comparision. Yes the FEG AMD 65 has a few shortcommings but nothing that a little TLC can't fix. It is a damn Great chance to get a Hungarian built AMD 65 on a real Hungarian reciever. I added a surefire G2 to mine and recently used it to help a Friend secure his Business. Its also earned its place as my "Jeep Gun".
I saw your pictures on the AK Forum also and that looks awesome! So were these originally single stack that were opened up or what? I shouldn't be spending the money but I am tempted to get one from AIM before they go out of stock. Yes, opened up single stacks, its my understanding, they're imported as built rifles and the FCG, muzzle extension and high cap conversion are done by TGI. Mine has some mag wobble but it functions fine with every beat up mag I've tried in it so I don't consider this an issue. I cut the slot and installed a sling loop yesterday, I'll try to get pics up when I get back home. I wonder who in Hungary got the parts together and built these? FEG has been out of the gun business for several years. I sure like mine. TGI actually made the barrel longer than it had to be. If you get one of those one-piece US-made 4.25" snake brakes and get get the TGI mess off without wrecking the threads, you'll end up with a 16.15" barrel that's just about an inch shorter than it was. Then if you can separate the original snake brake and the 2" extension, you can use the brake on something else or sell it. Don't forget to weld the new brake on! |
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I left the Arsenal out as it's American made from my POV. My SAS M7 Classic is unbelievably sweet, as it should with a CNC milled receiver. The gritty paint in some Arsenals is irritating for the MSRP. The Classic is definitely one of the exceptions, those are beautiful. I think those were built on Fridays when everybody was feelin great. My 107CR is a Monday morning AK! Nah it runs like a champ I just talk shit because I paid $1100 for an AK with a mediocre finish - shame on me. |
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How well do those stocks lock up?
Any wobble? And, if they don't wobble when they're new do they wear an begin to wobble? Also, does the front grip really affect reloads with 30 round mags as much as people say it does? My fear of wobble is the only thing that has kept me from those guns 
EDIT: Also, how do you put a sling on them? |
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How well do those stocks lock up? Any wobble? And, if they don't wobble when they're new do they wear an begin to wobble? Also, does the front grip really affect reloads with 30 round mags as much as people say it does? My fear of wobble is the only thing that has kept me from those guns
EDIT: Also, how do you put a sling on them? My AMD-63 with a 65 folder never developed any wobble, it was always rock solid. I can't say the same for my krink underfolder. |
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Cool, I'm really starting to like these things.
Is it possible to remove the metal handguard and vertical grip and install just a KVAR polymer lower grip, or is the AMD lower handguard retaining plate different than a standard AKM? Also, are these threads under the muzzle break, and are they standard 14:1 LH? Because if SBRing this rifle is nothing more than putting paperwork through, chopping off the weld, and putting a standard slant brake on, I am so totally sold on the AMD
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