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Posted: 12/24/2008 6:25:29 AM EDT
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Got an AK and am new to them. I knew enough to realize I was getting a good deal on it no matter what type of AK it was as long as it was a shooter (and it is). It also came with 500 rounds of HP ammo.
I'd like help determining what I've got. I 'think' it's a Vector Arms (also marked ITM Arms) built on a german kit, but I'm not 100% sure. These pics should help, and I'd gladly take more if you can exp. what angle/needs to be taken. The strike marks on the serial number and the armory stamp are light and are difficult to see, but I think it's a portion of a 3 in an oval (leading me to believe K3 oval german kit). 
I appreciate any help on a steep learning curve. |
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what's an evil third pin?
EDIT: looked it up and it's not... RE: http://www.ellettbrothers.com/Saiga/SlideShow.asp The third pin would be lower than the rivet above it you are confusing with it. The slideshow linked above shows it plainly. price... uhm.... don't want to reveal till I know it's not a turd lol what would you have paid for it? |
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what's an evil third pin? The axis pin for the safety sear which prevents the hammer from following the bolt forward in full-auto mode and causing an out-of-battery firing. Once the hole is drilled for that pin, the gun is a machine gun by the ATF's definition. Luckily, you don't have that as it sits lower than the hammer pin––yours is just the center support rivet being seen by someone who doesn't know the difference between up and down. 
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| ITM built the reciever, Vector assembled the rifle. Ban era - welded brake and ground off bayonet mount. Numbers make it looks like an East German parts kit (I recently asked the same thing). Looks like your ITM receiver has the same problem mine does, the selector lever hole is slightly low so the selector cover doesn't line up perfectly with the top cover when its closed. Doesn't effect how it shoots though. Good guns. |
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Got an AK and am new to them. I knew enough to realize I was getting a good deal on it no matter what type of AK it was as long as it was a shooter (and it is). It also came with 500 rounds of HP ammo. I'd like help determining what I've got. I 'think' it's a Vector Arms (also marked ITM Arms) built on a german kit, but I'm not 100% sure. I appreciate any help on a steep learning curve. Well , I see what looks like a complete FOREIGN Stock set , threaded muzzle , and possibly a functional Bayonet Lug ? You better check your U.S. parts count. 
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Got an AK and am new to them. I knew enough to realize I was getting a good deal on it no matter what type of AK it was as long as it was a shooter (and it is). It also came with 500 rounds of HP ammo. I'd like help determining what I've got. I 'think' it's a Vector Arms (also marked ITM Arms) built on a german kit, but I'm not 100% sure. I appreciate any help on a steep learning curve. Well , I see what looks like a complete FOREIGN Stock set , threaded muzzle , and possibly a functional Bayonet Lug ? You better check your U.S. parts count. it would be very helpful if you would try to "help" instead of "judge"... I'm asking for help from folks who know more about this than I do, not to be looked down upon or scared into thinking I'm a criminal. I have no reason to believe that the gun is illegal in any way. If it is, I'd gladly change it to make it compliant. If you see something that makes it for sure wrong, I'd appreciate help in making it right. the slant break is welded on as you can see in the pic. not sure who made the stock etc how do I tell? I'm sure a bayo will not mount due to the weld on the muzzle break, but I'm not sure what a whole/functional bayo mount looks like. what type of AK parts will fit? ie stocks etc what do I look for to verify # of US built parts? I appreciate the help I've received so far and would like honest answers. Thank you |
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People can get a bit over zealous on the 922r compliance issue with calling people out on it.
The trigger looks like a US part, I would imagine that the entire group is. Those 3 parts plus the receiver is 4, due to the rifle effectively not having a muzzle device, 1 more is needed. More than likely your gas piston is US made. Here is something those 922r hawks don't get, it is by definition not complete until you put a magazine in it. There is a reason all 3 solid components of a magazine can count towards your US parts count. The stock is a Bulgarian AK-74 set. Any AKM or AK-74 furniture pieces will fit your rifle. |
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People can get a bit over zealous on the 922r compliance issue with calling people out on it. The trigger looks like a US part, I would imagine that the entire group is. Those 3 parts plus the receiver is 4, due to the rifle effectively not having a muzzle device, 1 more is needed. More than likely your gas piston is US made. Here is something those 922r hawks don't get, it is by definition not complete until you put a magazine in it. There is a reason all 3 solid components of a magazine can count towards your US parts count. The stock is a Bulgarian AK-74 set. Any AKM or AK-74 furniture pieces will fit your rifle. Bigdamn thanks bro... 
I'll prob switch the stocks out to a poly set anyway... any suggestions? Wouldn't mind a folder or one that compacts, but not 100% necessary. |
| As I said above the bayonet lugs have been removed. You can stick one on there but it will not lock in place. Brake is welded so it's not an issue for compliance. The pistol grip looks to be US made and the trigger group looks US made because the seam down the trigger. |
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You got a nice rifle. Now how much did you pay for it? gun w/sling, two mags, crappy "hunter" style gun case, ammo can w/500rnds of boxed hp.... $350 it shoots pretty much where I point it and I havn't given it the mud hole test yet Everyone hates you now.
but seriously, nice score. |
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As I said above the bayonet lugs have been removed. You can stick one on there but it will not lock in place. Brake is welded so it's not an issue for compliance. The pistol grip looks to be US made and the trigger group looks US made because the seam down the trigger. Pistol grip is Bulgarian. |
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The only thing I noticed that hasn't yet been mentioned is the rather large gap where the top cover meets the rear sight block. Makes me think that the rear trunnion was installed a bit too far rearward. This is the classic cause of top covers popping off during. But besides that, looks good to go.
As a historical note, ITM also supplied receivers to Ohio Ordnance. These were not fully heat treated, but that's ok 'cuz I'm sure that Vector spot treated the trigger axis holes and extractor. -Thirtycal |
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You got a nice rifle. Now how much did you pay for it? gun w/sling, two mags, crappy "hunter" style gun case, ammo can w/500rnds of boxed hp.... $350  You Suck! J/K nice find
it shoots pretty much where I point it and I havn't given it the mud hole test yet |
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Early Vector. Trunnion and possibly the entire barrel assembly are E. German. Top cover is Hungarian. Your trigger group is most likely a Century or very early G1 fire control group. As previously stated, your muzzle brake is tacked and bayonet lug removed. Your parts count looks like: receiver and FCG. The unknowns are gas piston and grip. It probably came with a mag with one US part.
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