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Posted: 11/17/2007 4:35:01 PM EDT
| Im considering buying my first WASR-10. Ive looked at several web sites like J&G sales classic arms and aim surplus but cant decide which one to order from. has anyone had any expirience with these site and can you sugest some others. |
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oh boy here we go again....... look friend do yourself a favor...stay away from the WASRs take your money add an extra hundred dollars and buy yourself a quality AK.....look into Vector arms AKs they can be bought from atlatic firearms for a little over $500 Vector is a much respected and reputable company who has been in the game for a while, plus you get a 5 yr warranty IF anything should go wrong with the rifle.......cant say the same for a WASR they are the bottom of the barrel AKs....horrible finish, very bad trigger slap, very bad mag wobble, and if your lucky your rifle wont have canted sights.....dont buy a WASR....are you getting the picture here? it will more than likely leave a bad taste in your mouth buy quality and buy once.......go with a reputable company....look at Vectors |
| This happends in every WASR thread....but I'm an actual WASR owner and I love mine. It's not pretty, but I didn't get an AK for something to look at. The finish is rough, but I use the hell out of it and it doesn't bother me. I would make sure to inspect the WASR before buying, then spend the rest of the money on ammo. |
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mixed reviews on Lancaster....some people love them some hate them......I dont care for them at all, as I have posted before there have been a few threads started here about there spotty work, rifles that should have never made it out of there factory did and not on just one occasion......that tells me that there quality control is crapola......another issue is that your spending $500 + and they use romanian parts.....another big no no for me....especially when you can find kits going for $90- $120. I would rather stick with a company that has been around for a while, has a solid name, and a solid product.......give me a Vector any day of the week |
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WASRs haven't had trigger slap problems since Cenyury started using G 2 fcgs. Check the thread about the AK that won't feed 'cause the magazine doesn't latch properly. It's not a WASR, it's a "quality" AK. More WASR bashing by people who've never owned one. Pretty common sight on the Innernet. |
I picked up a used Lancaster a while back. Rifle shoots great, finish is near perfect. My only complaint is that the wood sucks. After Christmas I plan to replace it with a new polymer stock set. |
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POLYTHENEPAM.......first off the problem with that QUALITY AK is more than likely magazine related, second they are machines I never said that there would never be lemons with Vectors, lancasters(obviously), Arsenals(have seen many with canted sights and mags not working properly), krebs custom(bought one for $1000 and was a complete lemon Marc had to hold onto it for almost 4 months and eventually give me back my money....yes it is true). Third the QUALITY AK was bought second hand, it could have had issues and original owner didnt want to worry about taking care of it so dumped it....who knows....I still think its just mag related the difference is that you hear more GOOD than BAD about most of the rifles listed above especially Vectors, Arsenals and Krebs.....yes there will be a few problems out there of course......can you say you hear more GOOD than BAD about a WASR? my point proven Second, its all about how a company handles situations like that, Vector arms is run by great people with a great reputation if an AK is not working properly I know I can return it and not get the run around....it will be fixed or it will be replaced....same with Arsenals and Krebs as well.........WASRs ARE bottom of the barrel AKs and I would hate to send anything back to Century Arms to fix for me(original poster do a search on century arms and see all the great things people say about the company....being sarcastic of course) I dont buy anything that is stamped Century arms on it there company name is synonymous with junk......have some good rifles left there factory, yup I know some people here love there yugos....but there is more BAD than GOOD floating around out there and thats just fact. I dont deal with Century arms or there products...years of horror stories does not permit me to ever shell out money for any of there products, and customer care is nill, no thanks so you want an AK? buy quality and buy once....also buy from a reputable company who will take care of you if there are any issues try starting a poll........ask anyone on this board what AK they would rather own something from Vector or a WASR from century arms.....or hell just ask what people think of Vector AKs.....your going to see real fast that they are good to go.....best $500 I have ever spent on an AK |
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I own four AKs. They all operate 100% all the time, whether I clean them or not. One of them is a WASR. The other three were built by ... Polythene Pam. You obviously have issues with Century. In the future, I think you should spell out those issues when you give your standard advice on WASRs. At least you should start your post by saying, "I've never owned a WASR and everything I know about them I read on the Innernet ..." That way everyone (esp. newbies) will know where you're coming from. Finally, as you are aware, I think the problem in the other thread is probably with the magazine. NOTICE that I didn't advise the op that his rifle was junk and had to be replaced. But then, I don't claim to be all knowing and I don't try to push any particular brand of rifle. |
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actually I have owned many AKs and my reasons for not buying a WASR are listed above go back and read.....bottom of the barrel AKs, crappy finish, horrible mag wobble, bad canted sights, horrible customer service, a company that is synonymous for putting out junk...shall I go on? this is not internet hear say, it is fact I have handled their rifles numerous times myself, and have known many that have owned the rifles as well......all with the same attitude, ...junk......there is NO WAY in hell that I would pay $350-$499(yes that is what they are selling for hear in my area at gun shows) for a WASR when I can spend the same amount of money and have a Vector arms AK. to me its a no brainer....but obviously you enjoy your WASR, hey I am glad its working out for you but comparing quality between a WASR and a VECTOR ...well.....there is no comparison....not even CLOSE Its great that you can build your own(wish I could) but I cant so I make sure my money goes towards stuff that has a solid name and reputation, with great customer service if ever needed... I will stick with my Vector. to the OP....hope it all helps 
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Well let's see: "crappy finish" - Yes. If looking at your rifle is as important to you as shooting it, don't buy a WASR. "horrible mag wobble" - Sometimes, but I've never seen a WASR with magazine wobble extensive enough to cause a malfunction. "bad customer service" - I wouldn't know. I never needed customer service. "bad canted sights" - Meaningless unless the fsb is canted so far that the front sight can't be adjusted to shoot to point of aim. Also canted sights don't just happen with WASRs. I've adjusted sights for several people who had canted sights on rifles that weren't Romanian. If you own a good sight adjusting tool it's not a problem. Anyway, we've made some progress. You no longer list trigger slap as a problem. |
Atlantic firearms for vectors. They give a discount if you mention you are a member here. For Yugo JGsales.com and Classic Arms are two that come to mind. I wouldn't buy a WASR at the price I often see people here buying them at. $450-$500 +. That is just ignorance in not researching prior to purchasing. MAK-90s, SA-85M, Romanian SARs and Maadis can all be found for less and are better quality in my opinion. You just have to search for that one good deal. J&G www.classicarms.us/index.html www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/listview.asp?CatId=2 I would recommend a SAIGA and doing the conversion, myself. www.armsofamerica.com/firearms/saigarifles.html www.stanleysproshop.com/Rifles_c17.cfm www.gilbertsguns.com/Rifles/Saiga?SID=141a8f3d1b9923b0204aa73c683 |
and just think I could have it all for $350 to $499 LOL no thanks buddy......enjoy your WASR....I will enjoy my Vector and we can agree to disagree some people just like knowing that there money is going into a QUALITY product......and a WASR is not known as being a quality product, actually the exact opposite....but by all means please buy more, maybe we can get them out of circulation some time soon...lol
tell me about it.... I agree with MAK......if your not looking to spend alot on a rifle 2 great choices are a Mak 90 and a saiga, for the money they can not be beat, next up would be a Vector, and high end would be an Arsenal |
No one I know has ever paid $500 for a WASR. And I don't need to buy any more. I've learned to build them myself. Too bad that you have so little confidence in the rifle you chose that you feel you have to build it up by bashing another. |
what?? little confidence in my Vector?? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL that is the funniest thing I think I have ever read on this board.....dude have you been reading my posts....I am done with you. HAHAHAAHAH to the OP sorry for the hijack brother, but this guy is obviously clueless LOLOLOL |
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Chris, Even though I do not own a WASR, you have to understand there is always a brand pissing match when you are on the internet. If its not over AK's then its over AR15's. Hell there is an occasional pissing match over witch platform is better. I say research as much as you can and learn as much as you can about the AK47, take a lot of the crap you see on net as a grain of salt, learn enough that you can filter through the hype, and use it as a tool to learn. Over time, you will learn to distinguish whats fact and whats BS. After learning as much as you can, get what you can afford or save to get what your heart desires. If you buy a rifle and its not up to your standards, sell it and chalk it up as a lesson learned. Now, as for the Lancaster AKM 47RM Rifle that has had some bad talk recently, my dad ordered one from Atlantic Firearms and it was flawless, no canted sight, no rough or pitted finish, etc. From my understanding Lancaster has been paying more attention to their quality. Was my dad just lucky? Who knows/cares, least the man is happy. As for myself, I own a Vector milled, and a Arsenal SA M7 Classic, I am very happy with both of them. If I buy another AK, it will most likely be a Vector. I have no desire for a WASR, but that is my choice. To each their own right? If you are happy with your WASR then that is fine, but I hardly see bashing a WASR by mentioning Vector as better brand is a lack of confidence. Now... Maybe the bashing was a bit uncalled for and could have been put a different way, BUT thats what is so great about the freedom of speech. It allows us to say what we want, when we want, and how we want. The bottom line over this argument is this. One side bashes the other side. One side will want some facts about why one is better than the other, very rarely do I ever see either side coming up with any concrete evidence to ultimately discredit the other. (its usually a bunch of made up bs that has been said a million times on this site or others) So in return, its just a revolving piss fest that will never stop. Seriously... If you feel your money is well spent, then indeed your money was well spent. Back to the OP, There is a wealth of knowledge on this site and all over the internet, take the time become educated before you make a decision to buy or else you could be throwing your money away.  |
You have utterly failed to respond directly to any argument I have made. You have now engaged in a personal attack. I can only wonder what your real motivation for pushing a particular brand of rifle is. |
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My WASR-10 has worked like a champ for the last eight years and a few thousand rounds. But... I love tinkering with things. I have refinished the wood, tuned the trigger assy to eliminate the slap (old style), cleaned up the mag opening job and refinished some of the metal. They are great DIY projects, but if you don't like this kind of thing and prefer a rifle that works right out of the box I would not suggest the WASR. YMMV. |
Ditto.hat |
I have seen a large number of people post here over the last year that they have paid $450-$500 for WASRs. We don't know if they are paying a sales tax on top of that, but I have seen some of these posters stating they also have to pay the seller a transfer fee, which should raise a red flag to any purchaser. You must not have been reading every thread. I think anyone that pays that much clearly borders on the foolish for not researching the purchase prior to jumping into the game. It may just be that in my locality I could purchase a WASR for $350.00 currently and WASR-2s for $299.00. Until recently the WASRs were around $329.00. Since the only AK rifles you own are homebuilt and one WASR then you don't currently own higher quality factory built rifles. That doesn't detract from your ability to build your own and anyone that takes their time in building, refinishing the wood and molycoating the metal of a homebuilt will have a better rifle if built properly, but the fact is, there are better choices out there for people to choose from in factory rifles if they do their research and shop wisely. The best deals I have gotten were from private individuals, the second was a Chinese AK on consignment and the third was from Phoenix gunshows where I showed up early and searched the tables for that one good deal. I own two Romanian rifles currently myself, a SAR-1 and a SAR-2. No issues in either or any of the SARs I owned in the past. Those were imported as hicap, though. I own a few other AKs which I have posted pictures of here before. I now prefer stamped rifles though I owned milled ones at one time. Telling guys that a WASR is just as good as any other AK, without explaining the maximum price they should pay and explaining the numerous issues that may occur in those rifles new from Century is doing a disservice to them as new AK owners. Getting a new rifle that fails to feed will only turn them off to the AK platform. Anyone planning on buying a Romanian rifle should check out linx310's site first, prior to the purchase. Then there are the guys who say AKs are crap when they have one fail at a combat rifle course, while not telling you upfront that they built the rifle themself and never fired it prior to attending the course. |
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There are some great points being made about price. As stated earlier, I love my WASR, but I paid around $300. for mine. At that price and the fact that I have a lot of resources from my C&R interests I ended up with a great rifle for the price. If I paid $400.+ for the rifle, another $50. for parts plus my labor value it would not be a good value and I could easily find a better rifle for my dollar. |
I have never made a statement that a WASR is as good as any other rifle. I merely object to people wno have never owned one of these rifles making blanket statements about them. I think it does a disservice to give out outdated information ("horrible trigger slap") or to discourage people from buying any rifle that isn't someone's particular brand of choice. That can discourage those who can't afford poster X's brand of choice from buying an AK. I also think that anyone who is old enough to own a firearm and smart enough to operate a computer should be wise enough to know that, "You get what you pay for". I certainly didn't think I was getting the Cadillac of AKs when I bought a WASR. But then I wasn't looking for the Cadillac of AKs. |
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wow you really keep harping about that trigger slap huh.......let me make this PERFECTLY clear for you I have handled many WASRs....with shitty sights, the worst mag wobble I have ever SEEN, the absolute worst trigger slap I have ever felt....yes TRIGGER SLAP and please dont tell me there are not WASR AKs out there in circulation without trigger slap, plenty made before trigger up grade...and still see them floating in and out of fun shops...granted yes there was an upgrade made to triggers....big deal you can dress up a pig but its still a pig.......oh yea dont want to forget the worst finish ever(does the finish have anything to do with function? not at all, but why would I waste money on something that looks low budget and half ass). I have had friends who have owned them and have used them for trade bait to get rid of them......so buddy I got experience with this junk and I wouldnt own one if YOU payed for Its left enough of a bad taste in my mouth over the years to know that you can keep it.......My money goes towards quality hardware, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to spend $400-500 on a romanian WASR...none....zip......zero in my opinion they are a $150 rifle at best. So have I fondled and played with them? YUP ..plenty......would I own one? not in this life time, there is just way to many better choices out there to pitch my hard earned dollar towards....I like quality not junk....we all cant slap one together again to the OP I will break it down like this, you can spend a few hundred bucks or a thousand the choice is yours and you will get a great rifle $200-$300 look at buying a Saiga.....if handy you can do a conversion to make them accept standard high cap AK mags $300-$425 a nice chinease Mak 90.......bomb proof $500-$700 Vector arms great rifles for the money $600-$100 Arsenals.....bulgarian rifles...cream of the crop in my opinion again, hope it all helps |
Why are you guys so argumentative? Its to the point now to where is beginning to be childish to say the least. I think the OP has got the information he needs. Stop stomping all over his thread and take to IM's or something. Sheesh... |
| I have a WASR hi cap. I refinished it, put a Red Star fcg in it, had the front sight straightened, barrel threaded ect... It's an ok rifle now. Having said that, I could have bought a quality AK for less. I bought one of the originals, before the bann ended. I wouldn't buy another Century product unless it was marked down half price. It's a shitty company that puts out crap because they know we will buy it. I find more and more threads reporting "non functioning" and down right dangerous weapons coming out of Century. Why should you buy something that will probably have to be returned and hopefully fixed. I sent a Yugo back that wasn't right and the bitch manager I talked to told me they were all like that. All that means to me is they were all assembled half assed. The newbe's are the ones I feel bad for because they don't know better. Thats Century's market because if those who know buy their shit than shame on them. They deserve it. |
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