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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - WOLF 7.62 AMMO - Good stuff (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/12/2005 9:43:59 PM EDT
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As of 9-27-2005 - the original title of this thread was "Wolf 7.62 Ammo - Never Again." Bottomline - I was WRONG. Wolf ammo is darn good stuff in my opinion. My jamming problems were caused by my Magazine followers. The mags just didn't get the wolf hollow-points situated correctly for semi-auto loading. I changed out the followers and now Wolf Hollow Point cycles like a champ. Good Ammo, I'm a Believer in Wolf. Now read on to all the ragging and then enlightenment. Page three is also fun to read. Regards. Original post in Early 2005... Good news, Bad news WOLF AMMUNITION - 7.62 hollow point March 2005 received 1000 rounds from Cabalas plus two metal ammo cans. The Cans are pretty decent. The whole deal including shipping was $88.94 Could have been a good deal - until I shot the WOLF Hollow Points. Jam, Jam, Jam. Every single Box of 20 rounds had at least one SHORT bullet in it - so short it wouldn't load out of the magazine. I fired 5 boxes (100 rounds) and had multiple failures to feed. Weapon, Mak-90. Afterward I inspected 100 additional rounds. Terrible inconsistency between round lenght - apparently wolf is your typical Russian company - unmotived to produce a quality product, no quality control. I will NEVER EVER USE THIS AMMO FOR SELF DEFENSE .... NOT RELIABLE!!! I'll endure the jams and shoot up this junk up at the range, but NEVER buy Wolf again. |
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i have shot over 3000 rnds of the wolf HP in the 640rnd tins thruogh my wasr 10. over 10,000 rnds total now through it since august. the wolf HP has never once given me a failure that i remember. have had like 2 total stove pipes from the older laqured stuff that was FMJ. the tins were aquired from either CTD or sportsmansguide. you should make sure its not a problem with the gun. did you measure the "short" rounds? i would like to see a pic of what is causing this! why would a short round not load out of the mag? |
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I got some of the same ammunition this month as well form Cabela's with the two ammo cans, but have had no problems with it in about two hundred rounds through two of my Yugo M59 SKS's. It was the hollow points. It is advertised as laquer coated. I haven't seen any of the polymer stuff, so I don't know what it would look like. Mine seems consistent and reasonably accurate at least for me. Just my personal experience, plus some of the individual boxes were cut and rounds were loose in the shipping box,but not damaged and Cabela's gave me $15.00 credit back, so it came out to about .07 cents per round delivered and I got two steel ammo cans that were in excellent condition worth about an additional $8.00.href=www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jhtml?id=0024645214071a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&QueryText=7.62&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jhtml.22&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=7.62&noImage=0&returnPage=search-results1.jhtml&_requestid=1293&_requestid=6251&_requestid=8121 |
Wolf ammo is the same ammo the russian army uses. the AK47 was DESIGNED to fire the steel cased ammo. My ak47 firing only wolf will outlive any other rifle you compare it to no matter how much brass cased sugar coated ammo you feed it for its pampered existance  the other thing to understand is that not all steel is created equal. the steel cases are much weaker then any of the parts in the rifle itself. |
AK's and SKS's were designed around a steel cased round, though if you want to pay top dollar for domestic ammo with improper bullet diameter and soft primers, you go boy. You're not gonna get any closer to the X, and the fun of a slamfire cannot be adequately described. As for the original poster, I'd say either you got a bad mag, bad batch, or bad gun. I'd like to hear the results with the same rifle using Barnaul HP or.. say.. that czech training ammo. OAL on the training ammo is far shorter than regular stuff, but seems to function pretty good. What sort of jam were you experiencing? Was the round stripping from the mag? Failure to chamber fully? What? You're talking about a gun and ammo combo that works flawlessly for LOTS of people.. Something's just not adding up. |
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More detailed - the Jam was in the Magazine - rounds locked up inside the mag when it was it's turn to chamber. Each time the round was measurably shorting than others. The breach would jam OPEN and the round would be stuck in the mag but out enough to hand up the bolt. This is the first time I fire the weapon so indeed, it may be a gun problem. However, EACH TIME the round was SHORT. I kept a couple of the shorts just for reference. Tell me how to put a photo on here and I'll show them. Also this is NOT the green laqured round. It has a light gray finish finsh with no visible laqure. I'll be a couple of weeks before I can get back to the range, I have a couple of other brands of ammo I try including some Remington UMC purchased at walmart for $9.45 Includes tax - 20 rounds. Thats 47 cents a shot! Anyway. I am totally certain about the inconsistency of the Wolf Ammo in terms of seating the bullet. Now maybe I have a bad mag or a bad rifle (NEW Mak-90), so I'll switch out the mag next time and try several different types of ammo. hug.gif |
Got calipers? Measurement will do. I just specced out some Barnaul FMJ and it's all remarkably consistent with an OAL of 2.19". I've never noticed Wolf to be the best made stuff, but serious deviation in overall length would definitely steam my clams. A good jam could squish the round between mag and bolt so as to reduce length, but from the sound of your first post the short ones were like that right out of the box. For what it's worth, Wolf is generally considered the worst of the russkie steelcase ammo. Worst as in "this stinks more" and "my groups are larger" though, not so much from a failure standpoint. It's the greeks I normally expect massive and dangerous deviations from. Russian hollowpoints don't expand worth a damn though, so if FMJ works I'd use it. |
| I've shot many thousand rounds of 7.62 wolf hp and fmj with no malfunctions. Check your gun or magazines. Also the steel used for shells is much softer than the chamber of your gun. Commie guns are made to use steel shells with berden primers. Don't waste your money on domestic brass rounds. |
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Progunvoter, can you or anyone else who may know be able to tell me or have a picture of how to tell the difference between the polymer and lacquer finishes. Like I stated above I got some of the same ammo as you did and it is light gray, but the finishes texture looks the same as the golden tiger ammo I know is lacquer coated from others who have used it, but it is the green color. Just wondering if the Cabela's advertised description is wrong. I would be happy if it is the polymer coating though.hot Thanks |
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Maybe I missed it somewhere... what kind of weapon were you using, PROGUNVOTER, when you had these problems with the HP Wolf ammunition? Frankly I am astonished that there were problems at all if youo were using a combloc weapon...ie a Kalashnikov or Simonov rifle... Usually, no always... issues with FTF can be traced to the magazine... but, then again, i could be wrong. But its just my experience. Hope you can get this issue fixed and can resume with some quality shooting! Y- |
| My SAR-1 eats Wolf HP like candy. I finished off my last case of the old laquered stuff this weekend. Well over 10K rounds with no malfunctions. Do you have any other rifles you can test the ammo with? Are your mags OK? Something doesn't sound right about this. |
Wolf aint Tula anymore? Since when? I know the x54R stuff is Noviosbirsk, thought the bulk of their stuff was still Tula. |
It's still manufactured by Tula. I guess I should of explained myself better. Before the Wolf name was around, Tula ammo would come packaged in boxes marked TCW as the name brand. |
If you wont shoot Wolf, Then why do you care about 5.45x39 AP??? Who do you think would be importing all that 5.45x39 AP you seem to want?  Not the Chinises their ammo is already not imported.www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=122&t=280515 I shoot wolf all the time in my AK clones in both 5.45x39 and 7.62x39, it works every time is dirty as hell and cheap as dirt, running brass through AKs is just a plain waste of money. Of course all I ever do is go hunting casue that's what the 2nd amendment is about after all. |
why is that folks have this fetish that the AK was "designed" to fire steel case ammo? a rifle will fire just about any type of case...... steel, brass and even plastic cases. the case is just a package to hold the powder, bullet and primer...... rifles aren't "designed" to fire a perticular case, it's all about ecomonics, and availabilty of raw material......the russian's main reason for making steel cased ammo is because they are swimming in a vast sea of ore, so they use what is plentiful and abudent. |
| I agree with Legonas. This happened to me. When the bolt SLAMS the bullet into the front of the mag, it pushes the bullet further into the bullet casing. I have no doubt that you have a bad mag. Also do not shoot the bullets that this has happened to as this increases chamber pressure, possibly to the point where your rifle could explode |
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I fired 500 rd of Wolf 7.62x39 HP through my Vepr. Not a single jam. I fired over 100 rd of Wolf 7.62x39 SP through my Vepr. Not a single jam. I fired over 500rd of Wolf 7.62x39 FMJ through same rifle, no jams. Lacquer coated, polymer coated, brass, whatever - the bullet hose worked fine. |
Since my original post I've been to the Range many more times. I owe Wolf an apology. I had a bad mag. Here's something else I learned, I took the problem mag, swapped out the follower-plate with a ORANGE colored USA made plate and the problem seems to have disappeared. I haven't had jam since. Thanks to the board for the suggestion to check out the mag. |
Good Man to come back and post an update.... I have also shot thousands of rounds of Wolf with very few problems of any kind.... Wolf an AKs just goes together! |
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Wow! Nice thread. I went through this whole thing with great interest. I've got a few suspect POS mags. The follower replacement is a great idea; thank you. As far as rounds for defense, it was mentioned to never use Wolf for defense. Why not? Someone also mentioned they prefered the Barnaul over Wolf. Why? From what I've shot, the Barnaul produces muzzle flash like a strobe light. The flash is so bright I momentarily lose sight of the front sight post. The Wolf just barely produces a flicker of light. The rifle I experienced this with is an AMD 65 with a http://www.2guntom.com/454/group/2gunsfiring_v1.gif |
+1. To me at least the green lacquer seems a little bit "transparent" but the grey poly is more solid and uniform. I wash my hands REALLY well after handling either. Like Klutz's picture shows: if the case looks like an ugly-ass green Soviet army uniform, it's lacquer. If it looks like an ugly-ass grey East German uniform, it's polymer. hy Hey, anyone heard what kinds of 7.62x39 ammo they're finding in Iraqistan? The AKs are from everywhere but I wonder if the ammo is Iraqi made or is all from Russia. |
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