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Posted: 1/11/2009 1:39:25 PM EDT
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What's are good products to make touch ups on scratches and the sort?
I have a WASR, I know its finish isn't good to begin with. |
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i have one also. the guns are parkerized. the best solution i have come up with is to degrease the rifle and spray with a can of gunkote, then bake. gunkote adheres to a parkerized finish very well. it's available from brownells for around $30. i'll be doing it soon.
i have a polish tantal which was parked and gunkoted from salboarms. it is a very durable baked on finish that you can accomplish in you home oven. here is my tantal. 
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wasrs are parked. i own a wasr10/63, a wasr 2, a romak II, a sar 2, and an aes10b. all of them have a cheap, rough, quick and dirty parkerized finish. this is common knowledge in the ak community.
http://avtomats-in-action.com/pro19.html go down towards the middle of the article and you'll see this: oh, and by the way, this comes form tantals webpage, who is considered THE ak guru... "the metal finish on Romanian army AK-74 rifles is a medium or dark phosphate" as in magnesium phosphate, otherwise known as parkerizing 
the military guns and the civilian guns are all made at the same place, using the same finishing technique. here is my sar 2. looks very similar. 
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wasrs are parked. i own a wasr10/63, a wasr 2, a romak II, a sar 2, and an aes10b. all of them have a cheap, rough, quick and dirty parkerized finish. this is common knowledge in the ak community. http://avtomats-in-action.com/pro19.html go down towards the middle of the article and you'll see this: oh, and by the way, this comes form tantals webpage, who is considered THE ak guru... "the metal finish on Romanian army AK-74 rifles is a medium or dark phosphate" as in magnesium Manganese, not magnesium, Also, Zinc Phosphate is a form of Parkerizing. Back to the chemistry books phosphate, otherwise known as parkerizing http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/badka2ma/Rom74025.jpg the military guns and the civilian guns are all made at the same place, using the same finishing technique. here is my sar 2. looks very similar. http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/badka2ma/100_1511.jpg http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/badka2ma/100_1515.jpg Wrong. They are bead blasted and blued. You can still see the bluing salts leeching out of the joints on many examples. I guess Tantal is not infallible. Ask Troy Sellas at Inrange if you don't believe it. He has stripped and refinished hundreds. Or you can ask Templar, the guy who owns AK forums. Your WASR is blued, not parked. I have a SAR one, two and three. Careful examination shows the surface is roughed snd then they are indeed blued. The existing base bluing is insuficient for Moly-koting. All commie phosphating I have ever seen is Zinc Phosphate, which is a light to medium grey. I used kal-guard phos-kote for surface prep. There is an easy way for you to find out. Phosphoric Acid(Naval Jelly) will only blanch Manganese Phosphate parkerizing grey, it will instantly strip bluing. Find an unobtrusive spot under the handguard and try it and see what happens. |
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It is commonly sold as Naval Jelly. It strips bluing and rust so be VERY careful.
Some on the AR Retro forum are using it to blanch fire control parts to match the old Zinc Phosphate finish common in the mid-60's. You can get it at almost any hardware store or a Lowe's or a Home Depot. Even Wal-Mart likely carries it. |
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Thanks for the info.
I just want to see what finish it has. I think it parker. The guns I have in that I know are blued are a shinny black. The finish on my WASR is a sandy gray. But I'm no finish expert so I'll test it out and see. If it is parker, is there any touch-up like that for bluing? Or do I have to refinish everything? Which will bring on a whole new set of questions!!! Thanks again! |
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gunkote is very thin. here is a link to brownells video.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=h4GWk9Vlnps here is the product. $31.99 http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=1150&st=&s= the hard part is the prep. making sure all the grease is gone. baking the gun will make grease seap out of places you could never get to. they have more vids on prep too. |
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yes, you are correct sir, they are parkerized. just to be sure i tried know it all's test. i went to lowes and bought a bottle of naval jelly. i tested every one of my romanian guns except for my wasr 2 because it has been BLUED. no matter how hard i rubbed, or how much i used, the naval jelly basically just cleaned up the finish. i used a new white rag. nothing. ZERO finish came off. i used it on the gas tubes. that way if by chance if they were blued, which i knew they were not, it would not be noticeable. aes10b = parkerized sar2 = parkerized wasr10/63 = parkerized romakII = parkerized just for giggles i tried it on three other guns. my buddies wasr 10 and aes10b. both were bought years apart from mine and from a different dealer. both are parkerized. another friend has a sar1. same thing, parkerized. just so that we would not hear that he meant romy g's, i pulled out two kits and tried it on the receiver stubs. a 1976 and a 1980 kit. guess what? you knew it.........PARKERIZED! i guess his buddies were wrong afterall. the one guy should go to vegas. refinishing 100's of wasrs and they were all blued. he hit the jackpot. every romanian gun i have EVER seen has the exact same rough finish. my wasr 2 is the only one i have seen blued and thats because i had it done. it is a very smooth shiny black finish. much different than the rough factory romy finish. there is no way to touch up the parkerized finish to match. you could use some cold blue. it would color the bare metal. it won't match, but the romy finish is so rough and uneven you may not be able to tell the difference. just degrease it real good before the application. walmart has cold blue kits cheap. like i said earlier, i'm going to take mine apart, bake it in the oven, degrease it. paint it with a can of gunkote then bake it again. it will cost around $30. bottom line though, ROMANIAN GUNS ARE PARKERIZED, NOT BLUED. So how do you like your new light grey finish? It did blanche your nice rich manganese phosphate didn't it? |
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gunkote is very thin. here is a link to brownells video. http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=h4GWk9Vlnps here is the product. $31.99 http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=1150&st=&s= the hard part is the prep. making sure all the grease is gone. baking the gun will make grease seap out of places you could never get to. they have more vids on prep too. Gun kote is not very thin when applied from a spray can. It is thin from an airbrush. |
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