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Posted: 7/22/2006 4:58:05 PM EDT
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Well i was really thinking about ordering one of their $109 yugo kits for a shooter. Then i came across this post that gave me second thoughts. I wouldn't mind replacing the barrel if i really had to but i don't like doing buisness with a company famous for screwing people. You can thank Centerfire Systems for your rotten barrel. CFS advertised Yugo AK kits as "very good condition" and then shipped out hundreds of Yugo AK kits with rotten barrels. Since CFS policy is not to pay return shipping on their mistakes, many builders and dealers decided it was cheaper to pass on the screwing to someone else than to return the kits to CFS. Also there are some people on the AK boards, who should know better, who said "build it anyway - its an AK, who cares?". Some of these people were just shilling for CFS and some genuinely believe it. Its amazing what otherwise intelligent people will post. FYI: A pitted barrel will not shoot straight for long, if at all. It will foul quickly and will never get really clean. Imagine shooting bullets made of cheese down a a cheese-grater barrel and you will get an idea of the effect a pitted bore has. Yes, you can rebarrel your Ak. And you should if you plan to keep it for any serious uses. Or you can sell it to someone else too dumb to check the bore before he buys it. But Centerfire Sytems, underhanded scumbags that they are, are at the bottom of it all. Should i pay any attention to what he had to say or place an order? I would also like to hear other experiences about them and some of there kits. Also if not centerfire where would i get a decent yugo kit? Thanks for any reply |
| I ordered a straight trunnion Yugo kit. The person I spoke to on the phone was honest about the condition. The stocks mostly show some carving,the metal is in good condition,the bores are dark. My kit is as described. If you want a pristine bore,buy a Romy,most are virtually new. On the other hand,the bore on my kit cleaned up to shootable condition,the carvings add history,and the overall condition of the kit is very good. For a de-milled surplus gun costing $110,I think it was a good buy. I bought it knowing the condition and if you can live with that, then go for it. |
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From what I understand, the first batch was the worst, I was on the waiting list for a couple months and got 2 under folders and 2 fixed stock yugos, I returned one fixed stock model that had a bulged barrel, the rifling was gone also. The rest of them cleaned up well witn a bronze bore brush and Blue Wunder, they are slightly pitted, but they are more accurate than my other AKs. Basicly all Yugos run the risk of being a sewer pipe, so unless the dealer is willing to clean the barrel and tell you what it looks like (honestly?)......... I'm currently debating wether or not to buy a Yugo RPK kit. Look, if you're really concered just buy a Romanian kit, or something. BTW, I've been screwed over way worse by other dealers. |
I ordered a fixed stock kit from them knowing what the bore was going to be like and when I got it and cleaned it I felt that it was better than what I paid for also the flat spring under the front night sight was broken allowing the thing to flop around I called them and told them about it....... They sent me a replacement at no cost. Screw that guy some people just get off on bitching On the internet they call them TROLLS
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I have not purchased a Yugo from them, but the service I received when I purchased several Romy kits was excellent. Their sight and flyer both describe the bores as dark so I would think that personal inspection is required if you want a shootable gun kit. I live in Northern KY so I can buy from their store. Not a store realy but a counter around the side door where you can buy stuff from their flyer. The guy let me look over the kits and added a few parts (spacers and sleeves) that did not come with the kits. I have dealt with them 3 or 4 times, and in my opinion they in no way deserve the scumbag name given to them above. In retail, every sale concludes different, and the customers attitude is usually the deciding factor in what customer service they receive. From the horror stories about Yugo's I have heard, a gunshow is the only place I would buy one, if I did not intend to change the barrel. |
If you wanted a practically new barrel, then why pick the non chrome lined barrel? These kits have been to hell and back without cleaning. Out of all honesty, centerfire systems have been good to me everytime ive purchased anything from them. If they said the kits were in BRAND NEW CONDITION, i could see why you would be pissed, but very good condition varies from parts kit to parts kit. If you have ever seen how big centerfire systems is, you would understand why ever single kit cannot be throughly inspected one at a time. |
| I bought 4 rommy kits and had to send one back it was in very poor cond. and was even marked on the bag very bad cond. but paying return shipping really sucks. when the kits said very good cond. that was my only problem. but sure will make me think before buying again. but if it says dark bores they most likely will be, sure you my get lucky but it's not normal. my 2 cents |
| I've bought two RPK kits from them, the second time they sent the wrong kit entirely but were quite good to work with to get the problem quickly corrected. I too experienced the frustration of having to pay shipping for their mistake. My kits were pretty much as advertised, if not a little better, but I won't be in a rush to buy from them again because I don't like paying for other people's screw ups. I think that if they won't own up to their small mistakes, when they make a big one I will really get screwed. I am going back to the gun show circuit for my next kits, it's worth the little higher price to have eyes on ... just my thoughts |
| I've ordered a Yugo RPK, Romies and Yugo fixed & under-folder AK's (plus MANY non aK kits) and have received what was advertised every time and I've never had a problem with Pam whom I've dealt with on every order. I would buy some more but I'm not an investor and need to slow down and rethink what other kits I want for myself plus a couple of extras of each for our daughter & others in the future. |
| ive ordered a few things from centerfire. very good customer service. and very honest. i was asking the condition of the yugo kits and they told me flat out that they had dark bores and some had minor pitting. the one i recieved was dirty but cleaned up very nice.. |
| One each, one milled, one stamped... both were in really good condition, dark bores, but very little pitting and strong rifling, no rust... I mean don't get me wrong it's used machine gun parts... but over I was quite happy, if you want I'll send pictures.. and yes I did inspect them with a borescope.... I can send those pics as well... |
after building my handselect underfolder from cfs, i can hit coke cans at 100 yds, so i am very pleased. the guy who said cfs are scumbags has a stick up his ass  if you dont like what they send you mail it back and you are only out maybe $20. but i would be surprised at somebody sending back a kit that only cost $109 to begin with. |
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The subject is not a new one. You might want to check out these threads for further information, if you can access them, before you send off the check to CFS: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=919b0b7b246e7429ed1ee2f6d6d21acf&t=6814 http://www.warrifles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f2819485d5d83887394b44274c812014&t=12700&page=1&pp=10 |
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I come from the world of WWII surplus rifle collecting, and I am constantly amazed by people on ARFCOM complaining about "dark bores" as if they render a firearm completely useless and worthless. I can tell you that many rifles with "frosted," "dark," and even truly pitted bores shoot better than their owners (myself included) reliably. Mosin Nagants are famous for their ability to shoot even with a corroded bore. I just received one of the $109 Yugo UF kits yesterday, and the bore is a little fuzzy. It might be dirty or slightly corroded, but in either case, I am confident that it will shoot just fine and wear just fine for my use. As for wearing it out, well, if you're concerned about wearing out your barrel in the sense that accuracy will degrade, get a clue -- these are folding-stock surplus AK47s! They're meant to have mags dumped through them and be bumpfired and that's just as hard on a bore as shooting it is. If you're a "serious shooter," why would you be looking to a folding stock carbine in x39 anyhow? If your Yugo UF turns out to be an exceptionally accurate rifle (which many have, from what I've read), consider it a bonus. I fully expect that most of these "dark bore" kits when properly built will shoot as well as a comparable Romanian rifle. A lot of things affect the accuracy a particular rifle is capable of. The top of the list should be "muzzle wear" and "bore steel color/sheen" is not probably even in the top five. A mirror bore is nice, but not as crucial to a good-shooting rifle (especially an AK) as some profess. But that's okay, because it means more $109 Yugo kits for the rest of us! Not to mention -- OH GOD! They're not chrome lined! Must clean after every magazine or bore will rust shut!  P.S. if you call Pam or Lois at Centerfire and tell them you come from ARFCOM you MIGHT just get that kit for $99...
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Yeah, now they do, but when these first arrived they claimed they were very good to excellent. They ended up getting most of them back. They used to be a good supplier, not anymore. Now they are very hit or miss. I bought a ton of stuff from them over the years, but I won't use them anymore. |
I have bought many kits from them over the years. It is a hit or miss deal on the Yugo's. The Hungarian AMD-63 & 65's were spoilers as they were new and chrome lined. Cheap and perfect in almost every way. The Yugo's went thru civil war with a bunch of less than perfect soldiers, hence poor weapons cleaning. They were sold to us for a reason ( dumping of old weapons) some were very nice, the rest was what we hear about. Good luck on your builds, I would not trade mine except for new rifles. I did sent my share of unacceptable junk back on my dolllar..
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