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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FROG LUBE REVIEW (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 11/18/2013 4:29:53 PM EDT
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I can't be the only one out here that bought into this garbage! Followed instructions to the "T"... IMO based on a 3 day training evolution that consisted of weapons quals and standards, So here is how it went down.
My duty weapon is an LWRC- 10.5 (5.56) piston system with a mini surefire suppressor. (11-13-13) 0800 temperature was 30 degrees. but felt like 20! started off with a warm up of flat range static shooting using the federal XM193 55gr. shot 120 rds. W/O the suppressor. then loaded 30rds.of Hornady 62gr. TAP barrier round. completed the standard. Used the suppressor for a total of 4rds. Reloaded 30rds. again with the XM193 and used the suppressor for the entire mag. Then after 10min break, took off the suppressor loaded up another 60rds of XM193 and continued to run static flat range shooting standards...I did notice that each time I made the weapon hot the BCG was alittle sluggish going home, but according to the product instructions just apply a generous amount of SOLVENT?? really? well I did and sure it worked for a minute. Late evening during dim light quals it all fell apart, the BCG failed to go home numerous times!!!!! I had to pull the weapon off line do a quick field strip. Used some good Ole Mpro7 lube....weapon ran like a raped ape!! Day 2. Kept oil on and had no issues. Day 3. sonic cleaned entire weapon to get rid of FROG LUBE I'll say this I used the Miltec on my MP5 and it ran smooth as hell even with a suppressor on and using frang. ammo!!!! usually you get a hiccup or two caused by the low grain of the frang. Lesson learned the hard way but lucky for me the safe way during training and not when lives are at stake!!! I'm switching back to MILTEC-1. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY. 
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Runs great on my 11.5" KAC, and Kimber Desert Warrior. I'll be doing a winter test in a month or two. Basically putting a crap load of the wet lube on, and then let it freeze for an hour. After that, I"ll see if it still runs. We get down to negative numbers around here in the winter, so it should be a good test.
I must have gotten lucky on my FL. I've never had any issues with it going "bad", "spoiling", or any other issues like rust. I also have a system that works for me. Use the FL for general maintenance, and M-Pro7 for the bore on detailed cleanings. |
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Runs great on my 11.5" KAC, and Kimber Desert Warrior. I'll be doing a winter test in a month or two. Basically putting a crap load of the wet lube on, and then let it freeze for an hour. After that, I"ll see if it still runs. We get down to negative numbers around here in the winter, so it should be a good test. I must have gotten lucky on my FL. I've never had any issues with it going "bad", "spoiling", or any other issues like rust. I also have a system that works for me. Use the FL for general maintenance, and M-Pro7 for the bore on detailed cleanings. One of FL biggest faults is it sucks as a bore cleaner. Cleaners with a gel or paste consistancy do not work well as stand alone cleaners IME. So you end up using something else for brl cleaning then run into the issue that FL is incompatable with traditional products and should only be used by itself after a thorough removal of all existing products. |
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Just ran a test this weekend.
11.5" DI AR 55gr lake city 5.56 60 rounds rapid fire Let sit for two hours (it was 17 degrees at the range) Another 60 rounds through it No issues Do you think it might be that the piston gun doesn't run as hot, not allowing the FL to slick up? Just some food for thought. |
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Just ran a test this weekend. 11.5" DI AR 55gr lake city 5.56 60 rounds rapid fire Let sit for two hours (it was 17 degrees at the range) Another 60 rounds through it No issues Do you think it might be that the piston gun doesn't run as hot, not allowing the FL to slick up? Just some food for thought. What kind of a term is "slick up"??? Are you from San Francisco or Key West? |
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Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I run it in my SR-556 (piston). No problems at all. Even ran it for an Appleseed and fired over 300 rounds through it in one day, and it was in the low 30's. Not a single hiccup. I think there are people that are not properly stripping off old lubricants and aren't letting the Froglube cool all the way down after applying and then buffing the excess off with a microfiber towel.
I even put it on a POS Hi-Point my FIL has. He had nothing but problems with it. FTF, FTE. After I put the FL on it, he hasn't had an issue since with probably close to 200 rounds through it. |
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Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I run it in my SR-556 (piston). No problems at all. Even ran it for an Appleseed and fired over 300 rounds through it in one day, and it was in the low 30's. Not a single hiccup. I think there are people that are not properly stripping off old lubricants and aren't letting the Froglube cool all the way down after applying and then buffing the excess off with a microfiber towel. I even put it on a POS Hi-Point my FIL has. He had nothing but problems with it. FTF, FTE. After I put the FL on it, he hasn't had an issue since with probably close to 200 rounds through it. Who wants to go through all that hassle? I just want to squirt lube on the appropriate points and go on. |
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I have been happy with Froglube on my AR. I do notice on a 1911 when its very cold the slide going forward is a little slower when chambering the first round. No jamming issues but the paste seemed a little sticky before the first round went through it. I have only been shooting in the cold once so not sure if this is a recurring issue or something else going on.
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Because when I get done shooting, I can literally wipe the fouling out of my rifles... Quoted:
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Who wants to go through all that hassle? I just want to squirt lube on the appropriate points and go on. Because when I get done shooting, I can literally wipe the fouling out of my rifles... I can do that with every gun oil that I've used and they have no special "application" process. |
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I don't go for all - new improved incredible protectant, lubricant, cleaner, jazz.
I have not use frog lube but- it's easy to make it complex and very difficult to keep it simple Take a grease- ie xf-7 , mobile 1, lithium , etc..... Lube up your bcg like your going jack it off - and when you have fired A mst ( metric shit ton )of good ammo throw a few drops of Larue machine gun oil or any gun oil on the bolt through the port And run it again and again . And when you build up a fucking sand bar of carbon schmeg on your bolt then put a few more drops and keep running I have gone 3400 rounds on m855 with not One problem or cleaning. Then spray with red can brake clean , scrape and reapply M pro 7. Just came out with a synthetic grease hmmm why? Cause grease it works |
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Who wants to go through all that hassle? I just want to squirt lube on the appropriate points and go on. Quoted:
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Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I run it in my SR-556 (piston). No problems at all. Even ran it for an Appleseed and fired over 300 rounds through it in one day, and it was in the low 30's. Not a single hiccup. I think there are people that are not properly stripping off old lubricants and aren't letting the Froglube cool all the way down after applying and then buffing the excess off with a microfiber towel. I even put it on a POS Hi-Point my FIL has. He had nothing but problems with it. FTF, FTE. After I put the FL on it, he hasn't had an issue since with probably close to 200 rounds through it. Who wants to go through all that hassle? I just want to squirt lube on the appropriate points and go on. +1 |
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I don't go for all - new improved incredible protectant, lubricant, cleaner, jazz. I have not use frog lube but- it's easy to make it complex and very difficult to keep it simple Take a grease- ie xm-7 , mobile 1, lithium , etc..... Lube up your bcg like you going jack it off - and when you have fired An mst ( metric shit ton )of good ammo throw a few drops of Larue machine gun oil or any gun oil on the bolt through the port And run it again and again . And when you build up a fucking sand bar of carbon schmeg on your bolt put a few more drops and keep running I have gone 3400 rounds on m855 with not One problem or cleaning. Then spray with red can brake clean , scrape and reapply M pro 7. Just came out with a synthetic grease hmmm why? Cause it works LMAO - Fucking Awesome! |
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Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I run it in my SR-556 (piston). No problems at all. Even ran it for an Appleseed and fired over 300 rounds through it in one day, and it was in the low 30's. Not a single hiccup. I think there are people that are not properly stripping off old lubricants and aren't letting the Froglube cool all the way down after applying and then buffing the excess off with a microfiber towel. I even put it on a POS Hi-Point my FIL has. He had nothing but problems with it. FTF, FTE. After I put the FL on it, he hasn't had an issue since with probably close to 200 rounds through it. Who wants to go through all that hassle? I just want to squirt lube on the appropriate points and go on. +1 I tried that for a while and didn't like the process either. For me most, not all, other lubes that I tried did the same thing just wiped off easily without having to go through the whole mumbo jumbo ritual of FL 
I have been using fireclean lately, and guess what? Everything just wipes right off also. Sounds to me like the guy with the Hi-point was not lubing it or cleaning it correctly to begin with. I call BS on ANY lube correcting any kind of FTF FTE issues unless the individual was simply not using enough lube or properly cleaning their weapon. |
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I tried that for a while and didn't like the process either. For me most, not all, other lubes that I tried did the same thing just wiped off easily without having to go through the whole mumbo jumbo ritual of FL
I have been using fireclean lately, and guess what? Everything just wipes right off also. Sounds to me like the guy with the Hi-point was not lubing it or cleaning it correctly to begin with. I call BS on ANY lube correcting any kind of FTF FTE issues unless the individual was simply not using enough lube or properly cleaning their weapon. Quoted:
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Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I run it in my SR-556 (piston). No problems at all. Even ran it for an Appleseed and fired over 300 rounds through it in one day, and it was in the low 30's. Not a single hiccup. I think there are people that are not properly stripping off old lubricants and aren't letting the Froglube cool all the way down after applying and then buffing the excess off with a microfiber towel. I even put it on a POS Hi-Point my FIL has. He had nothing but problems with it. FTF, FTE. After I put the FL on it, he hasn't had an issue since with probably close to 200 rounds through it. Who wants to go through all that hassle? I just want to squirt lube on the appropriate points and go on. +1 I tried that for a while and didn't like the process either. For me most, not all, other lubes that I tried did the same thing just wiped off easily without having to go through the whole mumbo jumbo ritual of FL
I have been using fireclean lately, and guess what? Everything just wipes right off also. Sounds to me like the guy with the Hi-point was not lubing it or cleaning it correctly to begin with. I call BS on ANY lube correcting any kind of FTF FTE issues unless the individual was simply not using enough lube or properly cleaning their weapon. I like certain lubes better than others. As a matter of fact, I like Militec and Militec has a supposed "procedure" for applying it. I never bothered with it. I just squirted it on and fired it. Never had an issue. It's a military grade weapon. It needs lube. Some type probably work better than others. However, no AR15/M16 needs a system for applying it....other than just squirting it on and running it. I've never used Froglube so don't have an opinion on it. Since I am happy with the various lubes that I have used, I see no reason to spend money on it. From what I have seen, it's more expensive than other lubes anyway. |
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I did a BCG test where I put it in the freezer, with Frog Lube properly applied. It froze. A heavily coated BCG with Super Lube under the same conditions did not freeze.
The "system" was getting old every time I cleaned a carry gun. I noticed that guns with FL became sticky and with a weird smell after months since the last application. I stick with Super Lube, Slip2000, and Mil-comm. |
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I noticed the bolt riding home slower on my POF after the switch to Froglube too (in colder weather, which is relatively rare in Phoenix.)
The last few times I've been out for range time or training it's been colder and the gun has run like pure shit. I can't place all of the blame on the Froglube (still working up some specific 223 reload recipes) but after the last class I came home, soaked everything with gunscrubber, and proceeded to douse the everloving shit out of my gun with my old stand-by... BreakFree CLP. A shame it is... now I'll have to stop eating my firearms lubricants again =( |
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A buddy of mine ran a SAW in the Army and swore buy Militec as it wouldnt cook off as fast the CLP. I've been using it on all of my firearms and haven't had and issue. There again I buy reliable firearms so I probably would never see the difference anyway.
The company is pretty good about just sending the stuff overseas to our troops for free too. That sold me on it |
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i'm not an AR guy but I used to be. look if the product requires a "process" thats more involved than squirting it on, then forget it. its crap. I don't care who makes it. i don't care if it works or not if it involves a "process" it needs to be avoided. My findings as well. |
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There are a few tricks with using FL.
1. Use of heat is critical to proper functioning of FL 2. Remove excess lube since it congeals like lard & some vegetable oils when it cools I coat my parts liberally then bake at 200 degrees or less for 15 to 20 minutes, this removes old petrol oils, dirt & carbon build up with minimal scrubbing. My barrels are squeaky clean using this same process followed by 3 passes of my Bore Snake & a wool bore swab to clean chamber of excess FL. With proper heating, FL will begin to sweat on the metal surface and then absorb in once it cools (even on Cerakote), any excess should be wiped off. I managed to fire 500 + rounds of cheap (dirty) factory reloads in one of my 300 BLK AR's without any hang ups even in cold conditions |
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i'm not an AR guy but I used to be. look if the product requires a "process" thats more involved than squirting it on, then forget it. its crap. I don't care who makes it. i don't care if it works or not if it involves a "process" it needs to be avoided. My findings as well. Agreed. It's amusing that faults with it are blamed on improper application. Normal oil is pretty tough to put on wrong. |
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There are a few tricks with using FL. 1. Use of heat is critical to proper functioning of FL 2. Remove excess lube since it congeals like lard & some vegetable oils when it cools I coat my parts liberally then bake at 200 degrees or less for 15 to 20 minutes, this removes old petrol oils, dirt & carbon build up with minimal scrubbing. My barrels are squeaky clean using this same process followed by 3 passes of my Bore Snake & a wool bore swab to clean chamber of excess FL. With proper heating, FL will begin to sweat on the metal surface and then absorb in once it cools (even on Cerakote), any excess should be wiped off. I managed to fire 500 + rounds of cheap (dirty) factory reloads in one of my 300 BLK AR's without any hang ups even in cold conditions If there is a "trick" to lubricating your weapon, then you are using the wrong lube. |
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There are a few tricks with using FL. 1. Use of heat is critical to proper functioning of FL 2. Remove excess lube since it congeals like lard & some vegetable oils when it cools I coat my parts liberally then bake at 200 degrees or less for 15 to 20 minutes, this removes old petrol oils, dirt & carbon build up with minimal scrubbing. My barrels are squeaky clean using this same process followed by 3 passes of my Bore Snake & a wool bore swab to clean chamber of excess FL. With proper heating, FL will begin to sweat on the metal surface and then absorb in once it cools (even on Cerakote), any excess should be wiped off. I managed to fire 500 + rounds of cheap (dirty) factory reloads in one of my 300 BLK AR's without any hang ups even in cold conditions If there is a "trick" to lubricating your weapon, then you are using the wrong lube. My thoughts exactly. Got some of this stuff for Christmas. Glad I searched out this thread before using it. |
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Any recommendations on the best way to remove FL from a weapon? I've applied it as per the instructions and after some use, have decided it's not for me. Thanks. Just clean it off as you would anything else. I used Mpro7 cleaner first, then put it in the oven for a few minutes to sweat it out and cleaned it again. |
| I've been using FL on all of my guns, and it works great. Clean up has never been easier, and all of my guns run great with it. I am very anal about cleaning my guns, and I enjoy working on them and cleaning them as much as shooting them. Every time I have applied it to a firearm I completly disassemble the weapon, thoroughly de-grease and then apply FL as instructed. The stuff works great in all weather conditions. I live in the NW, so our weather ranges from 20* +- to 95* +- throughout the year. FL performs flawlessly throughout the year. I will say that it's not for the lazy gun owner. If you half ass the application, then you'll have half ass results. FL may not be for everyone, but if someone gives it an honest effort, I think the result will be positive. |
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Just putting it onto a cleaned weapon and firing is milishits preferred procedure. The hair dryer, heat gun, sitting in the hot sun, baking, or whatever else is from people who can't read directions, or read part of something and take it to the next level of silliness. Those are secondary methods when you can't take it to the range and shoot it warm.
I've not really seen it answered by anyone ho Froglube works when it's really cold as in blow freezing. That last time I asked here all I got in reply was that it works just fine once you get a couple rounds through and the rile heats up. Ok, that's great but doesn't answer my question. How do the first few rounds feed and fire when the rifle is still ice cold? For many the first couple rounds are likely to be the most important. For police, they aren't going to have the ability to dump a mag to heat up their rifles before taking a shot at the guy pointing a gun at them. Hunters aren't going to be able to warm their rifles for that deer that just appeared. |
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