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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Stuck Otis Round Patch (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/3/2009 3:25:25 PM EDT
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I had an Otis round patch come loose from the cleaning cable and it is now stuck in the middle of the barrel. I tried to push it out with a wooden dowel but it didn't seem to be doing any good and the dowel broke.
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| It is REALLY stuck. I tried a wooden dowel that only splintered, broke, also got stuck and made things worse. I tried tapping it out with a brass rod but it is too stuck. I am soaking it with CLP tonight and will try again tomorrow. I hope I didn't damage the barrel or crown. I didn't use anything steel. |
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Man that's sounds like a bad day. I've been using the Otis tactical system for years and havn't had that poblem yet thankfully.
A solid rod sounds like your best bet. I imagine the patch is wadded up and completly blocking the bore. If it isn't, you might be able to pass one end of the Otis flex rod by without the Otis obsruction remover attached (ironic I know). Then attach a brush or something to the the other end that might be able to grab at the stuck patch and drag it through. - Edit I missed your second post, definetly sounds like its wadded up good Good luck ! |
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I sent it to Stag to have the obstruction removed. I'm hoping for the best. Moral of the story: Be careful what you jam in the bore. It might stay there. WOW. You sent it back to the manf. to get it removed???? You know I bet if you would have filled the barrel up with some oil (gun oil, motor oil, whatever) the all cotton patch would have soaked it up in a day and it would have slid right out, more or less anyway. Now you have to wait weeks to get your rifle back. Sorry 
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I sent it back to the manufacturer because it is REALLY stuck. I don't think I can remove it without damaging the barrel or receiver.
I tried soaking the obstruction with CLP. It didn't budge. There is a large, compacted cotton patch and a broken, splintered dowel rod stuck in the bore. I figured Stag would have the right tools to remove it without damage. If there is damage, Stag can replace the parts. Stag said they would remove the obstruction without cost. I have been very pleased with Stag products and service. Thankfully I have a spare rifle until it gets back. NOTE: If you use an large Otis patch, cut it down to the smallest piece possible. If the full-size patch gets stuck, pushing it with a rod will compact the patch and make it harder to remove. |
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I sent it back to the manufacturer because it is REALLY stuck. I don't think I can remove it without damaging the barrel or receiver. I tried soaking the obstruction with CLP. It didn't budge. There is a large, compacted cotton patch and a broken, splintered dowel rod stuck in the bore. I figured Stag would have the right tools to remove it without damage. If there is damage, Stag can replace the parts. Stag said they would remove the obstruction without cost. I have been very pleased with Stag products and service. Thankfully I have a spare rifle until it gets back. NOTE: If you use an large Otis patch, cut it down to the smallest piece possible. If the full-size patch gets stuck, pushing it with a rod will compact the patch and make it harder to remove. Oh I missed that part. I use the Otis kit with the "All Caliber" patches and havent had a problem. I hope I dont have to go thru your experience. When you get it back you should try to contact them to see how/what they used to get it out. I may help you, and us, out in the future. |
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I wouldn't gamble with the all caliber patch even if you haven't had a problem. I would cut it into thirds then there wouldn't be a potential problem to remove it. The problem seems to be the large amount of cotton compacting when pushed with a rod. Agreed. All caliber patches work well with several calibers. .22 is NOT one of them. Get .22/small caliber patches and really learn how to pinch/attach that patch to the rod. I've been using an Otis system for years without any negative issues. |
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I've been bad too, there is an Otis stuck in my AR as I sit here. The problem with the Otis for the AR is that their cable for this caliber hasn't the removable patch adapter. It is all one piece with the adapter permanently crimped to the cable. You can't just back the cable off the adapter and remove it with a solid rod. I'm planning on getting a piece of piano wire to slip down along side the cable to knock the patch free.
I haven't used the Otis patches since I ran out years ago. I use what ever patch I have around and trim them to the size that works. This has only happened to me once before (using the standard cable)with a larger caliber that was much easier to remove. My cable has what is probably a permanent kink in it from me trying to unscrew the cable before I remembered that the end was crimped on. This will be a reminder to not put too large of a patch in the barrel again. 
I love the Otis for its portability. Great to be able to throw it in the range bag. |
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I just use the small Otis patches that are specifically for .17-.22 with no problem on my AR. I stocked up on them at a gun show awhile back, but you could use normal square patches, or cut your own.
Although I’ve used the larger all caliber "panoply" patches (the ones with 3 pre cut holes around the outer diameter, and 3 on the inner diameter) on my AR. As some have found out, you have to be very careful where and how you pinch them. I feel like I'm wasting these larger patches when using them on the AR anyway, so that's why I usually use the smaller ones. On a side note I did get one of the larger panoply patches suck once. It was in a .30-06 bolt rifle not long after I got the Otis kit. I wasn't exactly used to where/how to pinch yet. I made it too big and it got wadded up something fierce. I was able to unscrew from the tip and remove the cable. I ended up getting it back into the chamber by tapping a wooden dowel from the muzzel end. Once I got it tapped back into the chamber, I still had to carefully use a pair of hemostats to pull it the rest of the way out. Won't make that mistake again. |
| hmmm.....all i use is the all caliber patches, from .22 to .45, no problems, ever, i will admit it does take some time to get used to where you have to pinch the patch to change the diameter of it, once in a while i will get a patch that starts hard into the bore, the result of pinching to much, if your carefull and catch it right away you can pull it back out with needle nose pliers, never try to yank it through, good luck |
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Quoted: I had this happen to me I soaked the patch in CLP for 3 days then wrapped the cable around a something and stepped on it and pulled. The patch broke and the cable came out and I used a cleaning rod to get the patch out.I've been bad too, there is an Otis stuck in my AR as I sit here. The problem with the Otis for the AR is that their cable for this caliber hasn't the removable patch adapter. It is all one piece with the adapter permanently crimped to the cable. You can't just back the cable off the adapter and remove it with a solid rod. I'm planning on getting a piece of piano wire to slip down along side the cable to knock the patch free. |
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I had this happen to me I soaked the patch in CLP for 3 days then wrapped the cable around a something and stepped on it and pulled. The patch broke and the cable came out and I used a cleaning rod to get the patch out.
I've been bad too, there is an Otis stuck in my AR as I sit here. The problem with the Otis for the AR is that their cable for this caliber hasn't the removable patch adapter. It is all one piece with the adapter permanently crimped to the cable. You can't just back the cable off the adapter and remove it with a solid rod. I'm planning on getting a piece of piano wire to slip down along side the cable to knock the patch free. The piano wire did the trick. Came out very easily. I used a size that I could sneak along the cable also, I rounded the ends off to remove burrs. I only had to give it a little tap. It came right out. I usually keep some of the wire around. I guess the piece I bought will go in the safe for next time. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I had this happen to me I soaked the patch in CLP for 3 days then wrapped the cable around a something and stepped on it and pulled. The patch broke and the cable came out and I used a cleaning rod to get the patch out.I've been bad too, there is an Otis stuck in my AR as I sit here. The problem with the Otis for the AR is that their cable for this caliber hasn't the removable patch adapter. It is all one piece with the adapter permanently crimped to the cable. You can't just back the cable off the adapter and remove it with a solid rod. I'm planning on getting a piece of piano wire to slip down along side the cable to knock the patch free. The piano wire did the trick. Came out very easily. I used a size that I could sneak along the cable also, I rounded the ends off to remove burrs. I only had to give it a little tap. It came right out. I usually keep some of the wire around. I guess the piece I bought will go in the safe for next time. I will have to remember about piano wire. I first thought of a coat hanger but that was to big to fit with the cable as was the smallest metal at Home Depot. |
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Update: I called Stag this afternoon (Friday). They got the patch out and found no damage. It's already on its way back. Should be here Monday. Exactly a week out of my hands. No charge - even for shipping it back.
I'm impressed with their customer service. I bought another Stag upper (3H) from a online retailer this past week because of Stag's good service and the price was right. Stag is a great value. I'll still never use an all caliber sized Otis patch again. I'm going to cut them in half or thirds to reduce the volume. I'll update everyone when its back in my hands. |
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OTIS.. One of the most over hyped pieces of AR paraphernalia ever marketed...
If your running a chrome lined bore.. you don't have to clean you barrel that much..if at all... If I clean my barrel once a year.. The chamber is much more critical to keep clean.. something the OTIS does not do... I find it a hoot you had to send in your gun to have a stuck patch.... Get a 1 piece cleaning rod and the correct size patch ( The money you spent on two way shipping and insurance would have paid for it) and use that... Don't fall for the OTIS hype.... look what it got you.... |
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OTIS.. One of the most over hyped pieces of AR paraphernalia ever marketed... If your running a chrome lined bore.. you don't have to clean you barrel that much..if at all... If I clean my barrel once a year.. The chamber is much more critical to keep clean.. something the OTIS does not do... I find it a hoot you had to send in your gun to have a stuck patch.... Get a 1 piece cleaning rod and the correct size patch ( The money you spent on two way shipping and insurance would have paid for it) and use that... Don't fall for the OTIS hype.... look what it got you.... I’m going to disagree with you slightly. I also have a one piece and it’s a great method. However I personally don't consider Otis to be over hyped, it does what it says it does if you use it right and it’s handy to keep in a range bag, car, cargo pocket, etc. Myself and a lot of other people find the Otis system to be a great tool. Yes, if you combine inexperience and the all caliber patches, there is potential for problems. However if you combine inexperience with some other cleaning systems, there is also potential for problems. You are correct that cleaning the chamber is very crucial and that the Otis All Caliber Tactical Kit doesn't provide the adequate tools to for this by itself. However there are add-ons that Otis sells, or that you could piece together yourself that will provide the right tools for this kit. Alternatively Otis sells kits targeted specifically for 5.56 weapons that come with everything you need for the chamber. To each their own |
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OTIS.. One of the most over hyped pieces of AR paraphernalia ever marketed... If your running a chrome lined bore.. you don't have to clean you barrel that much..if at all... If I clean my barrel once a year.. The chamber is much more critical to keep clean.. something the OTIS does not do... I find it a hoot you had to send in your gun to have a stuck patch.... Get a 1 piece cleaning rod and the correct size patch ( The money you spent on two way shipping and insurance would have paid for it) and use that... Don't fall for the OTIS hype.... look what it got you.... To each his own. If you pay attention to what your doing, this situation wont happen. Really???? My kit has a 2 piece brass rod and a brush for the chamber. I just wrap a patch around the brush a bam! Clean chamber. |
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I got the upper back from Stag this evening in a new box. It came with a current catalog, NRA promo piece, user's manual...
and... ...wait for it.... ...A new Otis cleaning kit and the stuck patch and dowel pieces!!! (kit came with all caliber patches, though) They must have had a good laugh about my problem! No charge for removal, return shipping or the new Otis kit. Class act all the way. Thanks Stag! |
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I know I'm really diggin the Otis kit. It takes less passes through the barrel to clean which really cuts down on time. this Quoted:
Get a Dewey one piece rod and some .223 specific patches and nylon brushes. For the life of me I can't understand the Otis thing. and this with the chamber guide |
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Just how well thought out and designed is a cleaning kit for an AR that you HAVE to read a manual on in order not to fuck something up??? Think about that one for a bit..... everything comes with directions. Hell even my new flatscreen came with directions and I read them too. Your an idiot if you don't read the directions of something you get. That's why I see post of people breaking a simple screw on a Matech cause they tightened it too tight or they can't figure out where this little black o-ring that came with their bolt goes. My point being that just because it comes with directions doesn't mean it's not well thought out. |
I dont believe there is anything better than a one piece rod. If I needed something " to throw in a range bag" I would get a GI cleaning kit with the sectional rods. < those kits have cleaned more rifles than you can count. A gizmo with a shoelace and a one size fits all patch? Well, at least it worked out well for you. They sent another Otis kit for free. 
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Stuck Otis Round Patch (Page 1 of 2)
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