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Posted: 9/26/2008 9:56:42 PM EDT
| I've heard a lot of good things about WS CLP. I don't know if it's really better the old trusted BF. I was wondering what is your experience on WS CLP. I got a sample from WS, but can't really tell the difference at this time. |
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I love BF CLP. No more solvent or lube.. just one thing to clean my BCG,Bore and well the whole AR-15.. I had never tryed it in my Bore untill a few months ago and I was freaked out on how it does just as good as a job as hoppes solvent without that crappy smell. I have been also meaning to get BF LP I heard it is thicker then CLP so it will be better on my BCG. Does anyone use just CLP? or at least on there Bore? |
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BF CLP user here since I was first introduced to it in 1985. I have no reason or intention to switch. - BF LP for the bolt and carrier. - BF CLP as a GP lube and for cleaning. - BF Bore Cleaning Foam and CLP for the barrel. The ONLY way I would EVER consider using ANYTHING else other than Break-Free CLP, is if the Army tested and adopted another CLP and abandoned BF. |
I use BF because I read that it prevented rust superbly. I stripped down my Bushie M4 and generously applied BF CLP , let it soak in and dry and reassembled the rifle. I often have sweaty hands and there has been no rust appear on the rifle, including under the handguard and other nooks and crannies. I"m sold in BF.
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They did a while ago. Well, sort of. The most common CLP I've seen issued in the last 6 years or so was made by Royco. Almost certainly because they had a cheaper bid. |
I was still seeing Royco as little as 2 months ago. I'm guessing that it was whoever had the cheapest price at the time of contract renewal. |
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Weapon Shield is my go to CLP. I also use Mil-comm TW-25B exclusively for the pistols inside and out,and as a general purpose weapons grease on such things as the FCG pins,barrel nuts,barrel bushings etc.. That being said I also have a rather LARGE supply of Break Free CLP on hand. IMHO any of the three lubes I mentioned will do more than is needed. Most important about the lubes to me is that they have to be used and used frequently. Otherwise use whatever floats your boat. |
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so just asking, I found that BF CLP cleans the bore just as good as Hoppes solvent. is BF good to use in the Bore? I mean I even think it takes less time to clean it due to not having to push as much rags down the bore. But after the BF I do use hoppes lube but thats only cuz I didnt pick up BF lube yet. But I will soon cuz as I said I want to use BF lube on my BCG after I clean it with CLP.. So just wanted to know if anyone else finds CLP does a better job on there Bore as well and if it is ok to use in the bore? or should I use solvent? I just dont want to be doing anything wrong with my rifle. I want this baby to last as long as it can. Thank's |
The Break Free CLP is fine for Cleaning,Lubricating and Protecting anything or any area on the weapon and that includes the Bore.I'd recommend the liquid version of the CLP. The Break Free LP is a Lubricant and Preservative that can be used as such anywhere on the weapon.Personally I would use it as a dedicated lubricant and protectant for the high friction parts of the weapon as it has a higher viscosity than the Break Free CLP. The LP can be used in the bore without issue for long term storage but its recommended that you dry patch the bore before use as with any other oil. I personally prefer to use a good bore/powder solvent like Hoppe's No.9 Nitro(in the yellow label bottle) to clean the bores.The No.9 is a mild copper solvent and seems to keep the copper in check if used frequently.It also penetrates and puts the fouling into suspension quicker than the CLP which helps cut the work in half.Fewer patches used as well. Otherwise the Break Free CLP will work fine as a bore cleaner for normal everyday use if thats what you want. HTH |
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Don't bother with the Hoppes lube. The CLP is as Quibb stated a cleaner, LUBE, and protectant. It's a better lube than Hoppes #9 (the watery stuff in the orange plastic container) could ever hope to be. The Hoppes Elite might be better, but probably not by much. |
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Used and still use BF CLP for cleaning On the Lubrication side I am starting to swing toward High Temperature Grease for many parts on my AR. It stays put, does not run out of the pin holes like oil. You can go to AutoZone and buy a pound of high temperature wheel bearing grease for just a couple of bucks and it will last a lifetime. So a jar of grease, quart of syn motor oil, and a spray bottle of brake cleaner all for under 15 bucks, good back up for the premium stuff. |
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Used and still use BF CLP for cleaning On the Lubrication side I am starting to swing toward High Temperature Grease for many parts on my AR. It stays put, does not run out of the pin holes like oil. You can go to AutoZone and buy a pound of high temperature wheel bearing grease for just a couple of bucks and it will last a lifetime. So a jar of grease, quart of syn motor oil, and a spray bottle of brake cleaner all for under 15 bucks, good back up for the premium stuff. I used to use Brake Cleaner as well while in the Army, works great but not good for your health when the Drill SGT finds it in your locker!!! |
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I prefer BreakFree-CLP.
It's nice to know one product can simplify my logistics. I've read several posts on this forum over the years and try to stay informed about alternative products for use when one must resort to locally available "field expedient" solutions. Although I use Mobil-1 oil in my car engine, liquid BreakFree-CLP is my preferred firearm cleaner, lubricant and preservative. 
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For 99% of the applications, BF or any other light oil is just fine. But I had a friend who went to Iraq in 2003. Since he was in a transportation company, their weapons were constantly getting the fine sand that covers Iraq in them to the point that they would not cycle properly. The cause, of course, was the oil based lubricants that they used.
I got a pint of the Militec-1 and sent it and instructions to him. Basically, you clean off all the oils and apply the Militec-1 and heat the parts up to about 160 deg. No problem in Iraq. Just put it in the windshield and roll up the windows for a few minutes. Anyway, his whole company used it and LOVED it. No more cycling problems with their M16s and it made cleaning MUCH easier. The problem with Militec-1 is that it is NOT a preservative. In Iraq where it is hot and dry, no problem, but for most of us, BIG problems. |
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For 99% of the applications, BF or any other light oil is just fine. But I had a friend who went to Iraq in 2003. Since he was in a transportation company, their weapons were constantly getting the fine sand that covers Iraq in them to the point that they would not cycle properly. The cause, of course, was the oil based lubricants that they used. I got a pint of the Militec-1 and sent it and instructions to him. Basically, you clean off all the oils and apply the Militec-1 and heat the parts up to about 160 deg. No problem in Iraq. Just put it in the windshield and roll up the windows for a few minutes. Anyway, his whole company used it and LOVED it. No more cycling problems with their M16s and it made cleaning MUCH easier. The problem with Militec-1 is that it is NOT a preservative. In Iraq where it is hot and dry, no problem, but for most of us, BIG problems. I couldn't get it to work in any climate worth a damn. Heated by heating, and by firing. Multiple applications as they reccomend. Didn't do anything to prevent fouling buildup like they claim. Nor did it work worth a damn when wiped dry like they claim. And it sure as hell doesn't protect from rust like they claim. Basically they seem to be full of shit to me. And I've tested it on M9's, M16A2s, M16A4s, M249s, M240s, M60s, personally owned HK, SKS, shotgun, .22, and a few others. Used CLP on some, Militec-1 on others (after being thoroughly degreased). Followed their instructions exactly. And still as much carbon built up. Cycled the same when wiped dry. SAWs still failed as often as with CLP. Just as much rust in humid areas, or when going through temperature changes. |
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I've been pleased with the performance of Mobil 1 20w50 for several years.
All my weapons show negligible wear after many thousands of rounds through them and never had an issue with corrosion of any sort. I have seen nothing that would indicate that it is any less effective at what it does than the gun specific products and I have used the vast majority of them. TK |
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For 99% of the applications, BF or any other light oil is just fine. But I had a friend who went to Iraq in 2003. Since he was in a transportation company, their weapons were constantly getting the fine sand that covers Iraq in them to the point that they would not cycle properly. The cause, of course, was the oil based lubricants that they used. I got a pint of the Militec-1 and sent it and instructions to him. Basically, you clean off all the oils and apply the Militec-1 and heat the parts up to about 160 deg. No problem in Iraq. Just put it in the windshield and roll up the windows for a few minutes. Anyway, his whole company used it and LOVED it. No more cycling problems with their M16s and it made cleaning MUCH easier. The problem with Militec-1 is that it is NOT a preservative. In Iraq where it is hot and dry, no problem, but for most of us, BIG problems. And it sure as hell doesn't protect from rust like they claim. Basically they seem to be full of shit to me. I said it wasn't a protectant. My buddy loved the stuff. |
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For 99% of the applications, BF or any other light oil is just fine. But I had a friend who went to Iraq in 2003. Since he was in a transportation company, their weapons were constantly getting the fine sand that covers Iraq in them to the point that they would not cycle properly. The cause, of course, was the oil based lubricants that they used. I got a pint of the Militec-1 and sent it and instructions to him. Basically, you clean off all the oils and apply the Militec-1 and heat the parts up to about 160 deg. No problem in Iraq. Just put it in the windshield and roll up the windows for a few minutes. Anyway, his whole company used it and LOVED it. No more cycling problems with their M16s and it made cleaning MUCH easier. The problem with Militec-1 is that it is NOT a preservative. In Iraq where it is hot and dry, no problem, but for most of us, BIG problems. And it sure as hell doesn't protect from rust like they claim. Basically they seem to be full of shit to me. I said it wasn't a protectant. My buddy loved the stuff. Diod you read any of the other stuff I posted or did you fixate on one thing? Their claims are bullshit. They claim to be 2x better at rust protection and it isn't. They claim to make clean up easier and it doesn't. Why the hell should I believe anything else they are spewing out of their mouths? Here's a reminder, I couldn't get it to work in any climate worth a damn. Heated by heating, and by firing. Multiple applications as they reccomend. Didn't do anything to prevent fouling buildup like they claim. Nor did it work worth a damn when wiped dry like they claim.
I'd feel bad about sending that crap to anybody that needs their weapons to work. Especially if they were actually following the directions and thinking it was a decent dry lube. |
| Went from BF to Firepower FP-10 to WS. The only significant difference is that the FP-10 had a tendancy to dry up into brown goo on rifle in storage. I haven't used the WS long enough to make a determination on the drying issue, but it at least lubricates as well as BF and doesn't seem to be affected as much by high temps. Still testing, but BF is the old standby. |
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