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Posted: 2/25/2008 10:03:58 PM EDT
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anyone use it? www.slip2000.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=60342&Category_Code=EWG really expensive, but I like the lube... thinking about the grease. |
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I have been using the EWL oil and like it a lot. Stays put even after 500+ rounds during a carbine class, BCG cleans up very quickly. I have been interested in grease for the high wear areas on the BCG, especially as my rifle is stored vertical in my safe and the oil does tend to migrate due to gravity over time. A one lb. tub is a multi-lifetime supply. I sent Slip2000 an email about smaller packaging. They said it would be available shortly. Asked for my address and said they would send me a FREE SAMPLE !!!! Going to a Level 2 Advanced Carbine class soon (2 days, 1000+ rounds). I will post my experiences with the grease after the class. |
good news. I use the regular slip2000 and love it, when i run out i'll get the ewl, and maybe the greese pending your review... maybe I'll se if I can get a free sample as well. |
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I doubt it's dangerous--they claim their EWL is just as safe as the regular Slip 2000. I had a nice dialogue going with the people at Slip, but as soon as I asked them for the MSDS for their EWL, things changed, and now they won't respond at all. I have some of the EWL, and I really like its performance so far. However, for various reasons, I like to have the MSDS for cleaners, lube, etc I have at home. Other companies have been more forthcoming in this area, and I'm probably going to change to another product. Having the MSDS might not be a big deal for some, but it is for me. |
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Curious on the MSDS information. At the contractor material and supply stores we used to have, we were required to supply a MSDS sheet with anything sold if the customer requested it (not even sure they had to request it for some items.) I'm thinking it was an OSHA requirement at the time so maybe the requirement was an employee could request from his employer a MSDS sheet for the product they were using and the stores were subsidiaries of the contracting company. In any event, I'm not sure a company can "legally" refuse to supply a MSDS sheet if you're using their product. |
As you well stated, MSDS' are directed at companies and their employees. Individuals that purchase the product are not legally entitled to a MSDS. Still, most companies post them on their websites and those that do not tend to have something to hide. This has already been show with the Slip 2000 MSDS posted here. |
Sorry...forgot about this thread. I'm not sure why they did that to you? They emailed me the MSDS as soon as I asked. Maybe Greg left town and forgot to email you back. The folks at Slip answered all my questions pronto. Shoot them another email. |
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Good luck! I wish they would post the MSDS for their products, like most companies do. The fact that they haven't and the fact that they are more secretive about this than any other company I have dealt with, makes me wonder what it is they don't want people to see. |
You can find the SLiP 2000 MSDS in full posted at This Site |
That is one of the best sites I've found for oils, lubes, additives, etc. They don't have the EWL info though, but I have since received the info from SLiP that I wanted and am now satisfied with it. It appears to be a clean product--nothing in it that I wouldn't want on my guns. It also appears to be just as 'safe' as the regular SliP 2000. |
The sample arrived Saturday (3/8)..... Dark amber in color, exact same odor as EWL oil. Not too thick, probably just a slightly lower viscosity than axle grease. Seems just about right. Have not tried it yet. Thanks Slip2000, will post review after I get a chance to give it a good workout..... |
Looking forward to a review. |
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AAR on the grease sample given to me by Slip2000 Executive summary: I do not care for it and will be sticking with Slip2000 EWL oil which is great. Weapon Description: Noveske N4 upper  , with Rock River lower. Weapon stock as received from the manufacturers.Usage Test: Carbine class taught by MAST Solutions (mastsolutions.com/home.html), Conroe TX, Weather was warm (80's) with occasional light rain. Approx 500 rounds in one day, Guat Grade 2 (from AIM). Lots of rapid fire strings, controlled pairs, etc. plenty of heat. Just prior to the class I applied a light coat of the EWL Grease to the high wear areas on the outside of the BCG and a very light coat to the bolt locking lugs. Results: Rifle ran just fine through the class. No failures attributed to lubrication. Had several dead primers, but that is not a lubrication issue. By the end of the day the cycling the BGC did seem "stiffer" than normal. I have attended a number of carbine classes using the EWL oil and by the end of the day using the EWL grease there was a noticeable increase in BCG drag over the oil product. Several days later while cleaning I noticed that the grease looked like it had spread around inside the upper receiver. It appeared to me that the grease did trap more contaminants than the oil typically does. It did not stay put like I expected. While there was grease on the outside of the of the BCG where I had put it was heavily contaminated. In my comparisons here, yes I am using the same ammunition (AIM, GUAT grade 2). This is my standard training ammunition. Using my usual cleaning supplies (brake cleaner, Slip Carbon Cutter, Wipe Out Bore Foam, CLP etc..) everything cleaned up very easily. Discussion: While the EWL grease product did work and I experienced no lubrication issues, the fact that the BCG group was stiffer to cycle at the end of the class with the grease versus the oil product was the most important piece of information for me. The EWL grease seemed to trap noticeably more contamination than the EWL oil which possibly is the cause of the increased cycling friction. Thank you Slip2000 for providing the FREE sample for evaluation. Sorry I can not give a better review, but I call them like I see them. I can give a very strong recommendation for the EWL oil and Carbon Cutter, both are excellent products that I will continue to use. Anybody that wants to try the sample (there is plenty left) send me an email with your mailing address and I will send it to you USPS, as I still have all the original packaging |
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I finally got around to applying some Slip 2000 Grease on one of my pistols. I have not shot the gun yet and only applied the product. When I opened up the jar of grease it was separated. The oil was on one half and the carrier was on the other half. I mixed it up really well but it came out "chunky". Lots of chunks and not a smooth grease like TW25B or Tetra. It was almost like amber cottage cheese and it did not matter how well I mixed it up, it was still chunky. Made it really hard to work with and apply. I'll post back when I use the gun. |
 Get some of this grease: www.valtrousa.com/jardinesextremegrease.htmlI have talked with the guy that formulates and makes this grease. It is not your typical grease. I left a good amount in my garage last year in near constant 115F temps and there was hardly any separation from the carrier at all. Very light, full syn grease that sticks great too. |
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I don't think grease is needed but if you want to use it, try this stuff. A lot cheaper then the $75 bucks for a pound of that stuff. www.gunbutter.com/gunbuttergrease.htm But if you just use the Gun Butter, it stays where you put it and you then won't need the grease. www.gunbutter.com/gunbutter.htm If you want both then you get this. www.gunbutter.com/combo.htm If you only want the Gun Butter and would like some applicators to apply it with, then you go here and get this. www.mstn.biz/index.php?option=com_joomla_store&jStore=product_info&products_id=292&Itemid=59 And if you want a little guidance on how to use the stuff and where to put it, they have this how to page.. www.mstn.biz/FAQs/view/Tips%10How+To/Receiver+%26+Carrier+Lubrication/28.html Stuff works great, stays where you put it, doesn't attract dust and makes it easier to clean the next time around. And again, no need to use grease, unless you want to but no need to pay $75 bucks for any. To eaches own though... |
thanks for the review |
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