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Posted: 6/3/2006 1:01:31 PM EDT
| I was wondering which one is better to use. I have had no problems with the Wilson Grease, but I have used CLP for most of my life including my career in the Marine Corps. Is it true that CPL keeps gas operated weapons working better ? |
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I tried TW25B grease in my AR,and as much as I love the stuff on my pistols,I have to say it was a PIA using it on the AR.CLP is easier to use due to the fact that it cleans and lubes at the same time.Just much easier with the AR IMHO.Especially considering my PM routine...meaning I clean my weapons when they are used regardless. Personally I prefer the FP-10 CLP due to the fact I think it lubes better and for sure stays put longer than Break Free. But Break Free CLP works too..Which ever floats your boat I say.CLP in my opinion is the way to go for most owners of AR's. |
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I agree with Blankwaffe98 ............... CLP for most applications For those of you who have tried TW25B......and have not been satisfied with the results....remember this: This type of grease is made to use very sparingly....not like most grease products on the market. When you apply this stuff, you want to wipe off with your finger as much as you can get to come off. What is left behind by your finger is enough lunbrication to do the job. The metal surface will look shinny ......but if you can see the white stuff, you have applied too much. If too much is used, this grease will run under heat and you will have a mess to clean up. It was designed to run automatic weapons in the Artic.......and in places where dirt would stick to liquids[ lubes] so it is suppose to run in an almost "dry state" when applied properly. I always place a light application of this grease in my bore to inhibit copper build up. Like with anything put into your bore, you want it to be a super fine layer .......otherwise it can act like a restriction when hit by a super sonic bullet. JF. |
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IMHO, no need for grease on anything that's not belt fed. Why? Many new car manufactures are spec'ing a 0W20 or 5W20 oil for their engines. This is VERY thin motor oil. According to the Mobil 1 Site, their 5w20 is 8.8cSt @ 100º C which is ~operating temp for engines. Now the FP10 (my favorite) Site says that it is 21.7cSt @ 40*C (a more than warm day) and (IMHO) a safe approximation of the working temp of most gun oil. If a 150+ Horse Power engine cycling at 2000+ RPMinute can operate for hours on end with 100º C oil @ 8.8cSt , then I think intermittently used hand held slug throwers spewing at most a few hundred rounds per HOUR will do just fine on a good quality oil @ 21.7cSt. Add to this example the extremes pressures that transmissions and differentials see. This is again a CONSTANT hour after hour application moving 2 TONS (or more) at high speed. See any grease spec'd in those areas?? I never have. A good CLP (FP10  ) will keep your weapon cleaner longer due to it's inherent cleaning ability (still there after you apply it), is easy to apply, and won't trap debris the way grease can. Add to this the fact that CLP has lower viscosity (less resistance) than grease, and oil quickly becomes the lube of choice.
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Yeap TW25B is completely different than say a NLGI II automotive grease.Not even close to the same stuff.In fact its much different than any of the gun greases on the market,with Tetra Gun grease being very close to the TW25B.That said the Tetra is a bit thicker than the TW25B and I personally do not think it offers as good of corrosion protection as the TW25B. The TW25B is basically a high viscosity oil,more of a cream than a grease,with PTFE as a thickener...no soaps.Its very close to being a semi-fluid such as LSA-T. If applied correctly the TW25B looks basically dry,is not sticky and is very slick. But as I said in my post above,and I was not trying to bash Mil-comm,as most here know I love the stuff...but the simple fact remains the TW25B will not satisfy everyones needs or requirements.Its a bit of a change in application and cleaning than what most CLP folks are used to. The TW25B is a bit slower at application than CLP due to the viscosity and initial cleaning requirements.The EP speeds application as the lube can be blown onto and into the parts rather than brushed or rubbed on. In fact the EP is about the only way I have found to effictively lube an AR with TW25B. The cleaning detail is not a real issue with TW25B due to the fact that nothing wants to stick to the surfaces that have been lubed with it.So cleaning is basically wiping the fouling off and out and reapplying the TW25B as needed.But the TW25B does not migrate and penetrate remote areas of the system effective enough to float fouling out of the tight spots like CLP will.The TW25B will not penetrate and remove hard fouling either,and it cannot be used as a bore cleaner.The EP spray does a slightly better job at this due to its alcohol content,but is not that effective as a cleaner. In other words if you want to do a detailed cleaning there is a bit more work involved when using the Mil-comm than with CLP. You have to use a seperate cleaner,which some prefer to do anyway.But you have to use something like alcohol to remove any petroleum or solvent residues before lubing with Mil-comm after cleaning...that is if you want the full effect of the lube.Otherwise the Mil-comm will not stick as it should. If you use something like MPRO7 or the MC-25 to clean there are no issues.But these cleaners cannot be sprayed on and forgot about,they have to be removed which raises issues with confined areas of the upper and lower,recesses,pins and fire controls. The reason I like the TW25B so much is that it stays put better in storage and in use than any other lube I have used to date.Thats why I have always said the stuff is flat out overkill for most folks needs,including my own,but I'd rather have it than not.That is also why I prefer the stuff in my pistols.Its there no matter how long they are stored,carried or used.Grab and go so to speak without worry of the lubed condition. If your going to use a weapon long and hard the TW25B is the ticket without a doubt. The only other lube I have found that even gets close to the Mil-comm's performance as a lube is the FP-10. IMHO a good CLP like FP-10 gets the job done just fine with my AR considering several aspects.The lubrication needs are not as demanding in the AR as in my pistols due to the differences in design and use.The AR's moving parts pretty much move in a straight line surrounded by the upper.IMHO the AR's design retains lubrication very well,not needing excessive attention. In a pistol the slide is running on small rails with no other support from above that are being slammed open and shut,not to mention all the other parts such as barrels,locking blocks,disconnectors and what have you that are hard to keep a lube on due to the somewhat open surface areas and violent actions.Plus my pistols are carried alot and having the lube stay put on these critical points is reassuring. Some may disagree but thats my experience. Cleaning and lubing is easier using a CLP on the AR...and takes less time.Slop some CLP here and there on the AR,wipe off any fouling removed in the process and Im good to go.The CLP will continue to penetrate,clean,float fouling out and off of the metal and the confined spaces without issue.Just much simpler for me in the end. Ive used both the TW25B and CLP on my AR's over the years and all this is what I have concluded. Sorry for the ramble.HTH |
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