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Posted: 1/17/2005 2:49:04 PM EDT
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Im shure this question has been done to death. But i need opinions to make decisions. I finally got my rock river(4 months wait) and the dealer tried to sell me militec. he said some good stuff about it. i just want some opinions on the stuff. thank you. |
| The military bough something like 3.5 million dollars worth last year. It is not a cleaner at all, it lubes brilliantly and rust preventative is so-so. You can order it online at www.laniganperformance.com that site has very good prices and the guy is really good to deal with. |
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militec-1.com/ Our boys in the Sandbox insist on using it from what I gather. If it's good enough for our warriors, it's good enough for me. 
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I use it. Haven't had a malfunction in any of my firearms since I started using it. It's been two years. No I don't follow the rather strange instructions about using hair dryers, etc.... I just slather it on the bolt, carrier, upper receiver etc...., until it is visible, and lightly coat the bore on a new rifle, then reduce the amount I use on such parts after break in. I use a small 3/4 inch paintbrush to apply it. |
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Ask for some grease with the free sample. I use it in my AR15's receiver extension to quiet that damn spoing noise. Excellent metal conditioner. You apply it, then heat the part up with a hair dryer. It is recommended that this is done 3 or 4 times. The weapon gets noticeably slicker after it cools back down. It isn't that great of a rust preventer though. -Steve |
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I really can't tell a differance when using Militec over Break Free CLP as far sa the slickness of my actions get. Once my Militec is gone I will never buy it again. BF blows it out of the water when it comes to rust protection. The only oil's that I can tell make the actions slicker on my guns are Tetra oil, SLIP 2000, and TW25B oil. I tried the heat gun method of getting the Militec to bond better and become even more slick but I just can't tell a difference. I now laugh at this method because Militec is marketed toward the military. 99.9% of soldiers don't have a heat gun, torch, blow drier or oven to use to get the most out of militec especially in the field! 
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Ggenerally, metalworking fluids or cutting oils have huge amounts of chlorinated paraffins because these are fantastic extreme pressure agents that will keep the tool head from literally welding to the metal being cut under the extreme temperatures and pressures generated by the cutting operations. Under such extremes however the chlorinated additives will eventually break down and release corrosive acids that will micropit and embrittle the metal being tooled. My understanding of currently accepted notions of lubrication science says that unless other additives enter into the picture, chlorinated paraffins break down into the well-known severely corrosive byproducts of extreme temperature and pressure regimes. Militec does not address either the science or the remedy in its public format. It may be an excellent product but WE have a right to know, don't we? |
| I read a topic over at www.bobistheoilguy.com about how Slick 50 was loaded with cloronated paraffins and it will break down in the engine and caues lots of wear and corrosion. This was backed up with used oil analysis. Don't use engine additives like Slick 50! |
| It's chlorinated which makes it corrosive. Just do a Google search on "Militec corrosive". Chlorine is routinely used in "snake oil" automotive treatments like Wynn's. Sure, chlorine compounds are very slippery. Ever rub bleach between your fingers? Slippery, 'aint it? For a while anyway, then it corrodes whatever it comes in contact with. If you value your weapons, stay away from Militec and stick with good 'ol CLP. |
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I've used Militec for years, exclusively. No rust and/or corrosion on any of my firearms. And the best part of it is, no malfunctions either. And normal cleanup is as simple as a wipedown and reapplication. I could give a damn less about the latest miracle snake oil, or this camp or that camp. I just use Militec as a medium weight machine oil in addition to the solvents/CLP I use for cleaning, etc.... It is a very good one. |
Scanning electromicrography might show it's already there. Micropitting and microfracturing, all effects of acidic byproducts of combustion, are invisible to the naked eye. Until they cause catastrophic failure, that is |
Or you can just spritz a little water on the gun and see what happens in a couple hours.I think its been prooven enough here that the stuff does nothing for corrosion protection. I cant belive folks are still talking about this. |
Yes I do believe that a company will produce a product known to be defective. Look at the bulletproof vest company that KNOWINGLY made defective vests out of inferior products. Peoples lives were on the line and they didnt care. Why would this be different? I dont mean to be a smart ass, just pionting out the deceptive nature of some businesses. Not intended toward you at all. |
| Right, but what about fear of lawsuits. Second Chance's vests were only bad after they degraded after 5 years, which was beyond the company's "life expectency of the vest". They also offered prorated trade ins of those vests. If the militec was eating rifles, I'm sure someone would have posted "militec bought me anew rifle" etc. |
Yeah, and neither does FP-10 compared to Rig grease, etc... I have both products in my shop, in addition to Militec. I don't use either for corrosion protection, as any lubricating oil, or CLP is inferior to better products on the market made specifically for this. I use it for lubrication. Much like FP-10, its a very good lube and it makes cleaning much easier. It also protects my firearm until I can give it the attention it needs. No product does it all. To my satisfaction. I don't expect them too. Nor do I base my decisions on those selling products, or caught in the high beams of hype, and bias. And my weapon has seen more than its fair share of water. |
Oh sorry I got off topic.I retract my corrosion statement. But I dont see anywhere that I mentioned "prep metal for catastrophic failure." Those are not my words and a comment a bit too bold for me to say...not what I said or meant. |
Boy my simple corrosion comment touched some nerves here.Actually sorry I made it since it looks as if it set some folks off and on the offensive.I did not say something was a better all around performer or mention the products I like or am biased to. Ive bought my share and used Militec on all sorts of firearms...did my share of the grandstanding/praising about it too...Ive also commented over the years on what I do not like about it...as some here will remember. I know how Militec works,and what it offers from first hand experience and do not need to be convinced of its properties or performance. Sorry if I offended any of the Militec fans here with my comment. Ive had my day with the advertising and hype that marketers/companies will do,and have spent my hard earned cash to find out that it is what it is,mostly hype.Some of the marketers web sites are just loaded with who,what,where and how many.So I know where your coming from sorta. If it dont float my boat I move on to something that gets closer to doing it for me. |
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