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The military tested it vs CLP CLP won. |
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Militec cashed in on the blood of our fallen Troops for advertising. Millitec offers little resistence to corrosion. Millitec offers almost nothing in pressure resistence. Bunch of rectal primates hawking crap if ever it has been done. Did I mention I have no use for them or their product? I actually tried their lube for a comparo, and the test was interupted shortly after the orange colored steel was showing on the test plate in the section marked Millitec. Plain old Valvoline 10-30 was faring better than the Millitec. May they Rot in Hell for their advertising. Good old "Hoppes Gun oil" is a better all around choice. S-28 |
S-28 Tell us how you really feel brother.  But I agree with ya in every way. Raymond |
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And hear, with all the prais i hear about the stuff, I though i was the only one who really did not like it. What how i find funny is how every one says its not a rust prevent but check thir site and they say its supperior to clp. Bullpucky. I'll stick with what i know works, Fp-10 Eezox, G-96, Break free clp. Tetra grease. G-96 did a great job on removing cosmo from a 1100, I am getting ready for a 3-gun. cosmo was only 4 years old, but it came right off. why use just a lube when there products out there that lube just aqs well if not better and provide rust prevent? |
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well take some miltec and sprit some water on the coatted metal and see what happens. Miltec calims it a rust prevent, but the common word around every board I goto is that it is not. I had a kimber rust on the side touching the body in one day of carry, and it was treated with miltec for over a month. Use Break Free clp g-96, fp-10 or ezzox for rust prevent. If you have FP-10, G-96, Ezzox theres no need for miltec as there are both great lubes and provided great rust prevent. Ezzox is about the hardest of the 3 to use, fp-10 and CLP are much simpler |
I am not sure, I have heard there is a lube that you spray on, the alcohol evaporates and a fine dry lube is left behind. My newphew is now in the 3rd ID and some of the guys in his troop were talking about it and how the CLP gunks up their weapons in the talc of Iraq. \ |
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USMA89, Your Nephew is referring to the TW25B EP. No doubt the resourcefull grunts have filched some of the stuff from the AF. Good for them!!!! Mil-Comm mixes the Grease with 91%+ Isopropyl, and packages it in a mylar bag inside the spray can, and then pressurizes the can so that it will spray in any position, and so that the propellant wont break down the lube or preservative component. Great stuff, but expensive unless you are uncle sam! The same thang can be mixed up at home, using off the shelf TW25B Grease, and 91% Rubbing alcohol mixed 4oz. grease to 1 qt of Alcohol, and then shaken like mad in a mister bottle. I personally use the living hell out of the EP mix, and swear by it. Apply, allow to evaporate(5-10min.) reassemble, wipe excess off of exterior untill dry to the touch. Same goes for internals if blowing sand or other airborne debris is an issue. In one of several tests, my personal M4 went over 1,200 rounds of some of the filthiest ammo ever made without a malfunction due to other than a couple of crappy mags I really should destroy. Tell the Nephew that if he can hunt down a Marine weapons company, and locate a MK-19 gunner or crew, the TW25B is the stuff in the tube they use on the MK-19. Possibly a trade might happen. Give your nephew My thanks!!!! Semper Fi! S-28 |
I called him. That is the stuff. They do not steal it(only because they cannot find anyone who has it), they buy it with their own money. Of course, they also buy a lot of their own TA50(kit) because the issue stuff is mostly shit. Hey, we did the same thing back in "the day." |
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USMA, Back in the day us Jarheads would locate, close with and RAID the Doggies suppy tents of anything that resembled shitpaper, Pogey bait, Spare parts, and any other stuff we couldn't get during combined exercises.  Took the 175th for their ENTIRE supply of shitpaper on one memorable raid back in 86'. But then they paid us back pretty hard with the CS in the wee hours.....  All that crap aside. If the Young Soldier presents himself properly, No Marine is gonna turn down a Grunt in need, and I'm sure the AF contacts made in theatre, have gone the extra mile to help the low flying turtles they dropped off. Didn't mean to insinuate any theivery going on. On the purchasing side..... A good friend does some of the exit training of some of our troops, and thanks to the folks at Mil-Comm, every student is given a syringe of TW25B before they leave. The head guys at Mil-Comm do not advertise this, and I don't know why. But still, if your nephew and his buds contact Mil-Comm directly, I know they will help out best that they can on the pricing. You might have to do the contacting yourself, and funnel thestuff to the Grunts. Our Army seems to be behind in this matter as the USMC and AF has been issuing the stuff for a while now for several weapons systems. Also application guides(Well researched and proven) for the common weapon systems are available for the asking. Good info, and an honest ta goodness somewhat cure( Statements are available from Armorers) for the M9 malfunction issues. I ain't hawking the stuff. I have no connection other than as a customer that uses the stuff in high volume professionally, and on the personal weapons. I hear you on the individual purchase issue. Tell me about it. I'm a Former Marine Grunt..... Besides the Poncho liner, and the P-38 what else is issued that is worth a tinkers darn! All the best! S-28 |
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S-28, The application instructions are now available online. www.mil-comm.com/main.cfm?cat=Application_Instructions I will also second what S-28 said about applying the TW-25B,working it into the surfaces and wiping dry to the touch(condition 1 application).If the TW-25B is applied leaving a film(condition 2 application)its a crap/dust magnet.Just went through all that in a conversation with S-28 myself. The dry look is very hard to adjust too. Condition 2 application is best for damp places and is longer lasting. Raymond |
| Shortly after the fall of Baghdad, the military did equipment surveys... found out stuff like the .50 cal sniper rifle works well, the crotches in BDU's give out due to sand, M92 mags have problems etc. One of the things I recall is that they said many troopers found CLP attracted dust and many of them preferred "something called Mili-tec". I just bought some from brownells in the 1oz bottle; will see how it does. I wish I still had the link to that report. |
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Greg, Which Milspec? That is the problem. There are so many for lubes that it gets confusing. Some folks have heard of, or have had first hand experience in the Basement of Bragg, or have had to deal with the salt water issue on open water, and the transition between salt water and sand. TW25B has a Milspec that was granted for use on some Navy Deck guns and their traverse plates. The 500 hour salt water exposure rating and pressure rating is a completely different spec than that for GP military door hinge use. Militec was mentioned in the report(Iread it and got the full extended version to study) as were many other things that are "Curious" considering the limited availability of some of the Kit mentioned. Milspec is one thing. Approved use is another. The Machine moves slowly in both directions. S-28 |
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yes true theres more specs than one could read in a life time asme ansi, mi. etc. one i was refering to would be mil-prf-63460 rev. D (mil-i-63460 rev d) Where Miltec is good to use is in a 3% mixture in motor oil and gear oil for your vechical. Thats what miltec should only be used for. All Miltec is is an EP lube. i like tw25b a heavy coat work well. Right now i am having good luck with a grease called pl-10 14 oz. tube for like 6 bucks. I over greased my 1911 on purpose. not a single malufiction in 150 rounds. but the end of the gun where the dust cover was had a huge ball of grease on the bottom. I know 150 is not a lot but consdering that she would only run 25 rounds before the slide would not lock up. I conceder my problem fixed. |
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My experience with Militec-1 and Tetra gun Grease .I used both for about a year on all my guns .Some of my guns are stainless some are polemer/aluminum and some blued steel in ALL cases every gun showed some form of rust starting .These where not dirty guns all where extreemly well cleaned and lubed then stored for 3-6 months .I had to totaly strip the oil and lube off all my guns .Ever cleaned an unfired gun .By Militec and you may get the chance. Militec cost me about 12 hours in cleanning time . 
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2-gun, YEP!!!! I have cleaned an unfired weapon a couple of times. Militec, Breakfree, Rem oil, and some others have caused me some minor displays that could be construed as being borderline homicidal.  This led to tinkering with what is on the market, followed by what is available and allowed in our unique environment, and narrowed down to what we use now. Sentry solutions Tuff cloth Marine, for a wiping cloth, used at the end of each day on carry weapons got me through several years. The TW-25 has bought me some time savings over the Tuff cloth and has extended our maint. budget a bit because of reduced maint. cycle frequency. Even if the stuff is more expensive initially. All metals oxidize, and it's just a matter of time and environment as to how much time. There ain't anything out there that is "Care free" or can honestly promise that. Just got bit in the rump over a couple of missed FS that I got in a hurry on, that had a previous rust problem. Having to snitch on ones self just SUCKS!!!  Hang in there. Untill you find what works best for you, address the issue daily just to be sure. When you do find something. Please.... SHARE!!!! S-28 |
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I ran my own corrosion test: Cleaned a bunch of nails (steel, non-galvanized) and soaked in brake cleaner to get rid of any foreign substances. Then I applied a variety of products to test corrosion protection You name it and I probably tested it: From Militec-1, to FP-10, to CLP, Mobil 1 15W-40, Mobil 1 5W-30, Dex-3/Mercon non-synthetic ATF, Mercon-V synthetic ATF, Grease, SAE 20 multipurpose oil, WD-40, etc... After I wiped off the excess, I would soak it in salt water (just iodized salt + water) for 1 hour and then take out to air dry. The two things that showed almost no rust: CLP and Dex-3/Mercon non-synth ATF FP-10 rusted up so badly that I couldn't get rid of the rust w/o sandpaper. Militec-1 was about the same! However, that is just a rudimentary/homemade corrosion test and does not account for protection/lubrication. If you found something that lubes and protects very well, please share! I will check out the alcohol/lube thing for sure. |
During my testing, CorrisionX was the winner. BreakFree CLP came in as a close second place. I now use CorrisionX, and I love the stuff. Even cleans much, much better than BreakFree CLP. |
+1 I would like to know what's up with thse tests. For my uses, I don't really care about rust features too much because I shoot so often that lube is numbero uno on my priority list. It's just that I have recently become a big fan of FP-10, and from everything I've read I believe they are the best. I've tried Militec-1 and was not impressed with it at all. The main CLP I had been using for my new Bushmaster was EEZOX. I didn't really like it. It didn't seem like that great a lube. It had horrible fumes. My rifle would function fine for a few mags, then it would get some FTF's until I wiped the bolt down. Most of all, I hated how EEZOX would get so sticky. So I ordered FP-10, and I got it a week ago. I absolutely love it. In terms of lube, it is the best, IMHO. Everything feels slicker, there is no harmful smell, and it never gets sticky. Oh, and it made my Bushy trigger so much more smooth. All of that, and FP-10, in my experience, has the best customer service. |
I dont know...actually I have not seen a discussion on the subject on any of the forums I frequent other than here that is. Here is the test my cousin did in July 2003 and it is repeatable...in fact it has been repeated four times that I know of. www.fp10.com/TidewaterTest.htm The Tidewater test was done to see which of the products we were going to use on our personal weapons...it was not done for MPC's benefit in any way shape or form.In fact I purchased and supplied the FP-10 for the test.My cousin supplied the other products and performed the test. After the test was completed George Fennell asked to see the results/pictures and he got them. Here is the test MPC did to confirm the Tidewater corrosion test is repeatable. www.fp10.com/4producttest.htm I have done several short term and long term tests using test panels and surplus rifle barrels and FP-10 always comes out on top.Especially in heavy rain events.So I have given up on doing the rust tests as Im happy with what Ive got.I have not done a salt water spray test as that is not something Im likely to endure here in Tennessee or on my Colorado hunting trips so I cant comment on that.But the Tidewater test was performed at sea level within a couple hundred meters of the ocean...so Id say that pretty well covered that.I have done hands on field tests here in the hot and humid south...I sweat like a horse...so that is my acid test. Ive used FP-10 on everything from Black powder guns to MG's and it works perfectly...rain,snow high humidity and high temps whatever. IMHO the FP-10 is the best so thats what I use with confidence and will continue to do so until I find a better clp. For a lube protectant TW-25B rocks.Those are my favorites. Raymond |
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Another thing to consider is the fact that most folks do not allow thier weapons to remain in a poor environment,soak in water for days or remain covered in corrosive residues....if it is used in a poor environment or exposed to corrosive environments it is most likely maintained to prevent corrosion or failure as soon as possible.I know I keep my weapons up to speed. So in most cases I would say any of the products including militec will work perfectly on the average persons weapons that is properly maintained.So the rust tests basically show the extreme that your Firearms might see.IMHO my firearms will never see it unless Im dead.Maintenance and care is the key no matter what you use. Raymond |
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Unfortunately the Mil-Spec isn't as lenient and requires a specified (hence MIL SPEC) salt water spray test that takes into account a possible worse case scenario. There's a reason FP-10 and Militec-1 do not meet 63460D (they fail the salt water spray test) and they did fail my salt water soak/dry test several times (repeatable test). Nails treated with FP-10 rusted the worst. CLP and ATF did not show signs of rust in this test... however after soaking for 12 hours, all the nails rusted out (my guess is the protectants washed out). ATF does not meet 63460D most likely due to being a possible irritant for some people (One of the requirements, IIRC, is that the CLP should not cause irritation or rashes on skin). ATF isn't that great of a lubricant for a rifle though. I noticed more wear when using ATF to lube the bolt carrier rails on my VEPR K whereas the Militec-1 protected it much better. Again I agree about the corrosion tests being overkill, I just thought I'd chime in with what I found. |
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Thats interesting. I will give the salt water test a go with a couple mauser barrels and see what your talking about. As for the mil-spec I cant comment.I have not seen any documentation to say one way or the other that FP-10 failed in mil-spec testing. George Fennell at MPC claims FP-10 meets MIL-L-63460D and that FP-10 was submitted the summer of 2002 for testing.I will have to call and see if I can get confirmation/documentation on that one. Raymond |
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Take three nails and put them in salt water in three containers. Militec will rust first, CLP second, and Balistol will amaze you. Militec runs out of the back of my AR in the safe, just like CLP does. They both run fine, but you must lube it before you shoot it to get maximum result for reliability. It is nothing special. Neither is CLP. I use thermalene magnalube G on all my handguns. CLP works fine in the long guns. I can send you my bottle of Militec if you have something to trade. |
I talked with George Fennell at MPC and he said that FP-10 is still in mil-spec testing and is currently at Aberdine(spelling) prooving grounds for desert warfare testing or some such.He said the process has been slowed due to the rev.E reclass but is still ongoing...FP-10 has already passed salt fog spray testing and others.FP-10 has not failed any of the mil-spec tests and is therefore still being tested.Comments to the contrary is not true.He says FP-10 does meet the 63460D spec. So it looks like those of us who want to know about FP-10 and mil-spec testing will have to wait a little longer until the testing is complete...or call and ask Mr. Fennell details in person at 1-800-227-7049 ext.229. Time will tell. Raymond |
Did any military representatives back up his claim for 63460D qualification? Militec-1 does not meet 63460D and rusts out about as bad as FP-10. CLP, that does meet 63460D, does very well in corrosion protection. Regarding issued items, the little Tobasco sauce bottles are pretty neat. 
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How long do you soak the nails? Do you air dry them? If you kept them soaked in the salt water for 5+ hours, most of the protectant will wash away. If Ballistol "sticks" to the nails, I'd like to know how it reacts to high temperature flashing and what actually does the protecting. |
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