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Posted: 2/23/2003 7:19:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm not sure what to laugh harder at.... 1 Gallon of CLP or Botach!?!?!?!?! Both are strangely absurd.. Just how many AR's can you keep lubed and cleaned for 20 years with a gallon of CLP?? That doesen't seem too strange to me. Cheaper by the gallon, stores well properly cared for, and is another part of a prudent 'survival/SHTF' stockpile. But then again, I have water stored in big blue barrels, plenty of food and fuel tucked away, and I buy Q3131a and LC cases at a time for storage... what do I know... |
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Get it cheaper! Buy from the current military supplier for [b]$38 a gallon.[/b] Royal Lube - [url=https://trorderonline.thomasregister.com/ItemDetails.tpl?&Origin=VURL&NoCache=1046438716&PHLast=20&AZNumber=56364003&ItemViewStart=1&CachedSearch=1&CatalogID=960&PHName=Lubricants%3A%20Military%20Specification&PHID=20519&ItemCount=97&ItemID=1173831&AlphaStart=1&SupplierID=678]ROYCO 634 MIL-PRF-63460DAM6 6 X 1 GALLON CASE [/url] Description: CLEANER, LUBRICANT, AND PRESERVATIVE FOR WEAPONS AND WEAPONS SYSTEMS ROYCO 634 is a highly penetrating, mobile liquid lubricant which combines three essential functions in a single product; cleaning, lubrication, and preservation of handheld weapons, and weapons systems of both large and small caliber. ROYCO 634 may also be considered for many industrial applications as well. CLEANING: ROYCO 634 provides additives which in addition to their ability to penetrate between metal surfaces, aid in the effective removal of built up dirt, corrosion particles and firing residues which can be abrasive to both recoil and gas operated mechanisms. PRESERVATION: After cleaning, a thin-film layer of preservative forms immediately on the surfaces which not only displaces water but provides a corrosion resistant barrier against rust and dirt. LUBRICATION: ROYCO 634 incorporates advanced technology additives to enhance film strength and antiwear properties - thereby reducing friction between moving parts and minimizing wear and the buildup of wear-related debris. USES: ROYCO 634 is formulated to meet the complete requirements of cleaning, lubricating, and preserving both small and large caliber weapons in virtually all climate conditions from -65oF to +150oF. In addition, ROYCO 634 contains no ozone depleting compounds and meets California Clean Air Act VOC requirements. ROYCO 634 is not limited only to ordnance use, in fact, it has been proven effective in a wide variety of applications including automotive, aviation, marine, and general plant maintenance of industrial equipment. SPECIFICATION: ROYCO 634 is qualified to and meets all requirements of MILSPEC: MIL-PRF- 63460D Amd 6. PACKAGING: ROYCO 634 is available in 1 gallon bottles as well as 5 gallon pails and 55 gallon drums. Other packages may be available on special request. TYPICAL PHYSICAL PROPERTIES PROPERTY/ TYPICAL RESULT 1) Viscosity, cSt - @ 40oC (104oF) / 9.64 - @ -53.8oC (-65oF) / 3630 2) Pour Point, (oF) / -75 3) Flash Point, COC, oC (oF) / 100 (212) 4) Shell 4-Ball Wear, mm2 / 0.40 - 40 kg, 1200 RPM, 75oC, 1 hr. 5) Specific Gravity, 60 deg F / 0.87 6) Falex Load Carrying Capacity / PASS - 750 lb. Jaw Load 7) Firing Residue Removal, % / 85 - (WC-844 Propellant) 8) Salt Spray Corrosion Resistance / PASS 9) Humidity Cabinet Rust Resistance / PASS - 120oF, 100% rel. humidity, 900 hrs. 10) Water Displacement and Stability / PASS 11) Metal Corrosion Test, wt change mg/cm2 - 130oF, 168 hrs. - Zinc / +0.00 - Aluminum / +0.02 - Brass / +0.07 - Steel / +0.03 - Copper / +0.01 - Magnesium / +0.01 - Cadmium / +0.02 12) Low Temperature Residue and Fluidity / PASS 13) Reactivity with Chem Agent Detector -M8 Detector / PASS -M9 Detector / PASS Warranty: All products purchased from Royal are subject to terms and conditions set out in the contract, order acknowledgement and/or bill of lading. Royal warrants only that its product will meet those specifications designated as such herein or in other publications. All other information supplied by Royal is considered accurate but is furnished on the expressed condition that the customer shall make its own assessment to determine the product's suitability for a particular purpose. No warranty is expressed or implied regarding such other information, the data upon which the same is based, or the results to be obtained from the use thereof; that any product shall be merchantable or fit for any particular purpose; or that the use of such other information or product will not infringe any patent. Pricing Information: Unit Price: $212.18 Package Type: Case Units Per Package: 1 Product Details: Weight/Volume (gal.): 6 Minimum Order Quantity: 1 Trade Name: ROYCO Lead Time: 14 Days |
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No thanks. I'll stick to break-free. It's TO required in the services for a reason. I used to be a 2W1X1 in the AF, and we used the heck out of this stuff, on materials FAR inferior to the components of the rifles we cherish so dearly on this forum. The weapons rack components' pyros are very, very dirty. Lots of powder going up in a slow dirty smolder (as powder consumption rates go) building massive pressure. When properly applied, the CLP made cleaning a fairly simple process (you didn't even have to wash most times, you just wipe down and re-lube and you're totally clean). This is component-wet, FIRED and then left for a few hours to cool on metals of many different types. In the end - it worked. Something else may or may not work, but I know CLP does. Besides, I kinda got used to the smell ;) |
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LOL! Lots of things have Mil Specs. Clorox has a mil spec. Comet bath cleaner has a mil spec. However I promise you trainees everywhere are scrubbing heads with Simple Green instead of these products. Royal might even be on-base in lots of places, but it's not everywhere. Having a milspec just means someone identified all the MSDS's for something and submitted the paperwork. Civilians can do that - which means Royal could do it themselves. For readiness / preparedness they like to have multiple sources for a product - but when a TO says 'BREAK FREE', break free is most often what you get. It take DAYS sometimes to get suitable substitutes approved - even if their Mil spec says they're compatible. |
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Javven, ROYCO HAS THE CURRENT CONTRACT TO SUPPLY CLP TO THE MILITARY. If you use a 1348 (electronic or otherwise) to order CLP you are going to get ROYCO CLP. If you order it by product name, MIL-SPEC, part number or NSN you are going to get ROYCO CLP. If you want "BREAKFREE CLP" then you will have to order it as a "do not substitute" order using the Breakfree name. ROYCO has had the US Military CLP contract since about 1992. If you you buy Breakfree off the shelf at WalMart it is not the same as the stuff they sell to the Military. Look at Breakfree's website and compare the two MSDS's side by side. Breakfree changed the formulation of "Breakfree CLP" in 1987 to remove the teflon from the mixture. If you are confused about the use of the name "BREAKFREE" understand that the TO's call for CLP, not "Breakfree". "Breakfree" is the manufactuers name, the company name. It is not CLP Show me where a TO calls for CLP by the name -"Breakfree". Hell, the Breakfree company has been owned by three companies since it has been around: Breakfree SanBar Armor Holdings Quoted: LOL! Lots of things have Mil Specs. Clorox has a mil spec. Comet bath cleaner has a mil spec. However I promise you trainees everywhere are scrubbing heads with Simple Green instead of these products. Royal might even be on-base in lots of places, but it's not everywhere. Having a milspec just means someone identified all the MSDS's for something and submitted the paperwork. Civilians can do that - which means Royal could do it themselves. For readiness / preparedness they like to have multiple sources for a product - but when a TO says 'BREAK FREE', break free is most often what you get. It take DAYS sometimes to get suitable substitutes approved - even if their Mil spec says they're compatible. |
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This probably does not make a hoot nor do I want to cause an argument. But from the emails and notes I have from Don Yoder at Break Free,the formula change was done in 1986 due to high viscosity of the oil portion at -40C,not to remove the PTFE.Break free used chlorinated solvents up to 1993 at about 24% by volume for this reason. In 1993 Break Free was advised they would be required to go non-chlorinated.Break Free had already began shipping non-chlorinated to europe with the -40C requirement so the change was immediate. By March 1994 the non-chlorinated version replaced the chlorinated version on the QPL.At the time the military specification was in revision D,Amendment 6 with a revision E being proposed and still is proposed awaiting QPL testing. In 1999 and again in 2000 the M16A2 and M4 carbine were tested at the -40C tempurature to verify the ability of the product to meet the new requirement and passed. The formula has always contained holgenated hydrocarbons(PTFE/teflon powder)for boundary film improvement and still does,military or civilian. For production the MIL-L-63460D formula is used in the aerosol which is easier to get out of the container using carbon dioxide,and the new revision MIL-L-63460E is used in the liquid which has less solvent than the revision D that offers a higher viscosity to help reduce run off and aid lubrication.. The only performance difference was the viscosity at -54C.When the solvents evaporate they are all the same. That protects the military user when in -40C weather. The MIL-L-63460D that is used currently by the military contains a higher percentage of solvents. Thats why the ethylhexyl acetate is not listed on the civilian MSDS as well as lower percentage of petroleum distillates.The solvents provide penetration and cleaning but the oils do the lubrication and protection.The PTFE is used to help the boundary film. So if you want the Break Free that meets what the military is using then go with the aerosol.The higher amount of solvent will help clean better but I cant tell.I prefer the thicker liquid myself but I hardly ever see or have seen -40C in Tennessee. I thought it was interesting anyway.Ive tried the RoyCo634 and found it was much thinner than Break Free.Reminds me of Rem oil. Personally I think the Break Free is a better product,although a bit higher in price its worth it in my opinion. And no I do not work for Break Free.I just used it for 14 years. Raymond |
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I used to order it all the time. Came in "Break Free CLP" with the black bottle and yellow lettering. Shoot what you want, clean with what you want. It may be that our orders were automatically filled via suitable sub per TO requirements. Our system was actually pretty advanced for 1996, esp for a remote station. BTW - I'd never need more than a gallon of this stuff. It's like case lube if you're using it right. One thing o' case lube really should last the -average- (like bolt action hi-power) reloader a lifetime, barring spillage etc. A gallon of break free should go a long way. A cloth just translucent with it will wipe down an entire rack of MAU-12s + modded breeches if you do it right. Cleaning them requires more - say some on a toothbrush and a plastic screwdriver (which rates right up there with toothpicks as great for cleaning small parts). If this royal co makes a similar product or makes what I used, I'd use it. But I do remember filling the MSDS books with this info. The AF may use something different, or our supply channels may just have pointed to this product when "CLP" was ordered. It's real easy to do that. We changed a NSN to place an order for a B-1B once. We had it fixed in seconds, but it was pretty funny. Order green scrubbies, get a tactical bomber. Chase your own terrorists. Pick up the kids, etc. Anyhow - thanks for the good info. Will stick with break free clp. I know what the stuff does and I have yet to see a downside to it. |
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A 15 poster cement head. So you were the one that actually sent in the 1348, typed it up, got the FAD and Porject Priority Codes for it or you just went to the supply people and said "I need Breakfree / I need CLP". You still haven't shown me where in the TO's it says to use "BREAKFREE". Quoted: I used to order it all the time. Came in "Break Free CLP" with the black bottle and yellow lettering. Shoot what you want, clean with what you want. It may be that our orders were automatically filled via suitable sub per TO requirements. Our system was actually pretty advanced for 1996, esp for a remote station. BTW - I'd never need more than a gallon of this stuff. It's like case lube if you're using it right. One thing o' case lube really should last the -average- (like bolt action hi-power) reloader a lifetime, barring spillage etc. A gallon of break free should go a long way. A cloth just translucent with it will wipe down an entire rack of MAU-12s + modded breeches if you do it right. Cleaning them requires more - say some on a toothbrush and a plastic screwdriver (which rates right up there with toothpicks as great for cleaning small parts). If this royal co makes a similar product or makes what I used, I'd use it. But I do remember filling the MSDS books with this info. The AF may use something different, or our supply channels may just have pointed to this product when "CLP" was ordered. It's real easy to do that. We changed a NSN to place an order for a B-1B once. We had it fixed in seconds, but it was pretty funny. Order green scrubbies, get a tactical bomber. Chase your own terrorists. Pick up the kids, etc. Anyhow - thanks for the good info. Will stick with break free clp. I know what the stuff does and I have yet to see a downside to it. |
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I was working off of memory. I should have said that there is no requirement for teflon in CLP, that's an added bonus from the Breakfree. Royco 634 is Remoil. Thanks for the info. Quoted: This probably does not make a hoot nor do I want to cause an argument. I thought it was interesting anyway.Ive tried the RoyCo634 and found it was much thinner than Break Free.Reminds me of Rem oil. Personally I think the Break Free is a better product,although a bit higher in price its worth it in my opinion. And no I do not work for Break Free.I just used it for 14 years. Raymond |
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Quoted: Ok, anyone got a source for it by the gallon. Six gallons of CLP is just a little to much to keep around the shop. I bought 6 gallons and I wish I had bought more. 4 gallons went to buddies on my Group Purchase and I just sold my spare gallon to a bud that's new to AR-15's. So I'm down to 1 gallon now. Think [b]*Group Purchase*[/b] |
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I worked on the line, not in supply. It was also several years ago. Believe it or not (incredibly) I don't remember the number for the form I had one class on ONCE. And it was an AFF (Air Force Form) not a DOD form, not an Army form. I do remember the stuff that I used every day for six years. Fancy that... I remember we had different lubricants as well. I never did figure out what some of them were - I bet this other stuff was in there somewhere. We had one in particular we dubbed 'arctic oil' because it flowed like water at -58F (we tested this one day by leaving it outside on the coldest day of the year for half an hour, then trying to spray it. The sprayer cracked but the stuff inside was nice and fluid). It might have been the same thing. Who knows? Who cares? |
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Quoted: I was working off of memory. I should have said that there is no requirement for teflon in CLP, that's an added bonus from the Breakfree. Royco 634 is Remoil. Thanks for the info. Your welcome USNJoe. I have alot of information from Breakfree.I pretty much hound any oil or solvent manufacturer for information on the products that I use.Kind of a hobby.Some folks think Im nuts but I like gun oils. I never did find any contact information on RoyCo634 though.The jug I had was from a group buy we did at the department. Overall I was not as impressed with the RoyCo634 as much as I have been with Break Free. As far as Armor Holdings being anti-gun,that maybe true since they are British owned.But at least Break Free is still based here in the U.S. and is made by Americans. Not to mention Break Free is sure going after the civilian firearms market with a bunch of new products and advertising.So maybe its not all bad and they can see how much the commercial market here has to offer finally. Eitherway its a good product and I have moved off topic once again. Raymond |
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That's it. That was Arctic oil. I remember now a big tin can that looked like the kind of tin of coleman fuel you buy at wally-world (walmart). Hmm. What about some of the snake oils (the 'get 2bizillion miles outta your car' variety) out there? Would any of them work? I'd try it in my 10/22 but my ar's strictly for 'known good' lubes. It might seem sad, but this AR might be the finest thing I've ever owned, lifetime. Right after it would be a Volvo that saved my life. |
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Ordered the Breakfree Feb 26th. We'll see how long it takes to get here. Originally posted by SciFiNut I'm not sure what to laugh harder at.... 1 Gallon of CLP or Botach!?!?!?!?! Both are strangely absurd.. Just how many AR's can you keep lubed and cleaned for 20 years with a gallon of CLP?? "strangely absurd" is redundant. So I guess the only use for a CLP is ARs? Guess I'd better stick with 3 in 1 Motor Oil for everything else! |
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