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6/3/2008 1:29:24 AM EDT
I have a brand new Global Tactical/Stag lower receiver that seems to be out of spec. Please take a look at the photo and see if you can help me find a solution.

Notice the ledge on the front of the magazine well. That is the bottom edge of the upper receiver. When I try to seat a magazine, the upper receiver makes contact with the front of the mag. This keeps the magazine from being inserted far enough to lock into place.

I suspect that the front take down pin hole on the lower was not drilled properly. With both take down pins in place, the upper receiver is forced to the rear causing it to overlap the magwell.

I thought at first that the upper receiver was out of spec, but I tried 5 others with the same results. Has anyone else seen this? What would the fix be?

Could I bevel that edge to make the mag seat or should I send the lower back for replacement?


6/3/2008 8:15:40 AM EDT
[#1]
I called Denny and he told me that he would replace it the lower for me.  He also thought that it might be out of spec, but he told me not to worry, as his stuff is guaranteed forever.

The downside now is that I have to strip the lower and pay another FFL transfer fee for the replacement.
6/3/2008 8:51:38 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
The downside now is that I have to strip the lower and pay another FFL transfer fee for the replacement.


No you don't - a manufacturer can send a receiver directly to a customer if its a replacement of an existing lower.

www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#p24



(P24) A firearm is delivered to a licensee by an unlicensed individual for the purpose of repair. Is the return of the repaired firearm subject to the requirements of the Brady law? Would the transfer of a replacement firearm from the licensee to the owner of the damaged firearm be subject to the requirements of the Brady law? [Back]

Neither the transfer of a repaired firearm nor the transfer of a replacement firearm would be subject to the requirements of the Brady law. Furthermore, the regulations provide that a Form 4473 is not required to cover these transactions. However, the licensee’s permanent acquisition and disposition records should reflect the return of the firearm or the transfer of a replacement firearm.

[27 CFR 478.124-25]
6/3/2008 8:58:15 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The downside now is that I have to strip the lower and pay another FFL transfer fee for the replacement.


No you don't - a manufacturer can send a receiver directly to a customer if its a replacement of an existing lower.

www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#p24



(P24) A firearm is delivered to a licensee by an unlicensed individual for the purpose of repair. Is the return of the repaired firearm subject to the requirements of the Brady law? Would the transfer of a replacement firearm from the licensee to the owner of the damaged firearm be subject to the requirements of the Brady law? [Back]

Neither the transfer of a repaired firearm nor the transfer of a replacement firearm would be subject to the requirements of the Brady law. Furthermore, the regulations provide that a Form 4473 is not required to cover these transactions. However, the licensee’s permanent acquisition and disposition records should reflect the return of the firearm or the transfer of a replacement firearm.

[27 CFR 478.124-25]


Denny told me that he would have to send the replacement lower to my dealer and that he would have to transfer it to me.

I guess Denny isn't the actual manufacturer of the lower, as his lowers are stamped Stag Arms.
6/3/2008 9:44:14 AM EDT
[#4]
Bob, I had the very same issue with a RRA lower.  Was replaced along with transfer of small parts by RRA.  I be a happy camper now.
6/3/2008 10:24:39 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Denny told me that he would have to send the replacement lower to my dealer and that he would have to transfer it to me.

I guess Denny isn't the actual manufacturer of the lower, as his lowers are stamped Stag Arms.


I misspoke (err typed I guess) earlier.  Manufacturer is not the correct word - its licensee (as in FFL holder).  The licensee replacing the lower can send the lower directly to you without a NICS check - check the link directly to the BATFE's website in my earlier post.  
6/3/2008 2:44:35 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Denny told me that he would have to send the replacement lower to my dealer and that he would have to transfer it to me.

I guess Denny isn't the actual manufacturer of the lower, as his lowers are stamped Stag Arms.


I misspoke (err typed I guess) earlier.  Manufacturer is not the correct word - its licensee (as in FFL holder).  The licensee replacing the lower can send the lower directly to you without a NICS check - check the link directly to the BATFE's website in my earlier post.  


I read what you posted, but Denny said it had to go to my FFL for transfer. I don't think their is anything I can do other than comply.
6/3/2008 6:03:47 PM EDT
[#7]
He might just be playing it safe.  When dealing with things like the ATF, its always better to be on the safe side, than figure out you're doing something wrong and be in trouble for it.
6/3/2008 11:47:19 PM EDT
[#8]
I don't understand this.  When you buy a gun, you have it transferred to you, you are the legal owner.  When you send a gun in for warranty work, you send it directly to the manufacturer and when they are done, they in turn send it directly back to you, the legal owner(there's no transfer of ownership).  When my lower needed to be replaced by warranty, the above scenario is what took place, shipped directly back to me.  Is it possible that they are using the USPS?

ETA;  Stag could probably hook you up also since you said it is a Stag lower.  If I'm mistaken in all I say, I blame it on being soo late.
6/4/2008 12:28:50 AM EDT
[#9]
Where you are missing the point is Denny will send an other receiver to replace the Defective one (new serial Number) and this has to go back through the in state FFL.

If the receiver went directly to stag, then they can remake the receiver, using the same Serial number on the new replacement unit, and send it back to him direct.

Denny would be the faster method to receiver a replacement, just will have to be re transfered back to him in state.
6/4/2008 4:38:42 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Where you are missing the point is Denny will send an other receiver to replace the Defective one (new serial Number) and this has to go back through the in state FFL.


That may be his policy, which is fine, thats his deal, but that is absolutely not required by federal law.  Again, the relevant law [27 CFR 478.124-25] clearly states:



(P24) A firearm is delivered to a licensee by an unlicensed individual for the purpose of repair. Is the return of the repaired firearm subject to the requirements of the Brady law? Would the transfer of areplacement firearm from the licensee to the owner of the damaged firearm be subject to the requirements of the Brady law? [Back]

Neither the transfer of a repaired firearm nor the transfer of a replacement firearm would be subject to the requirements of the Brady law. Furthermore, the regulations provide that a Form 4473 is not required to cover these transactions. However, the licensee’s permanent acquisition and disposition records should reflect the return of the firearm or the transfer of a replacement firearm.


The law clearly states that a replacement firearm does NOT in fact have to go through a FFL, or have a 4473 filled out, regardless of who the manufacturer is, or if its a different SN.  

I suspect that, because the OP is in IL, I suspect that Denny is just trying to CYA against any draconian state/local ordinances that would prevent him from sending the lower.  
6/4/2008 5:08:30 PM EDT
[#11]
When I explained the problem, Denny said " I'm sorry you have a problem, but please send it back. It is guaranteed forever." If he needs to send it to my dealer, then that is fine with me. I can live with his conditions. I am happy that he is making it right.
6/12/2008 3:29:38 AM EDT
[#12]
Update from Denny.

He looked at my lower and thought that the mag well was out of spec. He is sending a new lower and guaranteed that this one would be right. I should have it by Friday.
6/13/2008 4:27:25 PM EDT
[#13]
I picked up the replacement lower today and it was perfect.

Additional $20.00 FFL fee spent to transfer the replacement lower, not so good.
6/14/2008 1:39:06 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I picked up the replacement lower today and it was perfect.

Additional $20.00 FFL fee spent to transfer the replacement lower, not so good.


Which Denny should be obliged to cough up.
6/15/2008 6:55:40 AM EDT
[#15]
This is strike two for Denny. Last year my credit card got stolen from his website too.
6/24/2008 9:57:21 PM EDT
[#16]
That's unfortunate about the CC, but he has updated the security on his website.  
7/2/2008 2:22:57 PM EDT
[#17]
A manufacturer can only send the original firearm or receiver back to a non FFL holder. They cannot send a replacement that would have a different serial number. The replacemant will have to go to a dealer for transfer.
7/2/2008 2:36:44 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
A manufacturer can only send the original firearm or receiver back to a non FFL holder. They cannot send a replacement that would have a different serial number. The replacemant will have to go to a dealer for transfer.


Somebody better tell Glock that. I returned a defect Model 23 back to them several years ago and they returned a brand new gun, with different serial number, directly back to me.
7/2/2008 4:08:38 PM EDT
[#19]


A manufacturer can only send the original firearm or receiver back to a non FFL holder. They cannot send a replacement that would have a different serial number. The replacemant will have to go to a dealer for transfer.



Thats not what the book says.
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